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[Tim Drayton]

You can find a number of articles in English written by the free-thinking Turkish Cypriot researcher Ahmet An here:

http://www.kibrisim.org/Belgeler/An/index.html

[Nikitas]

Excellent find, thanks Tim

[Tim Drayton]

Excellent find, thanks Tim

παρακαλώ.

I think the article entitled
"The Turkish Cypriot Political Regime and the Role of Turkey" deserves particular attention:

http://www.kibrisim.org/Kitaplar/dosya/ ... Turkey.pdf

Section three on pages 12-35 provides a highly detailed chronicle of the way Turkey intervened in and influenced the result of the elections held in the north of Cyprus on 14 December 2003. Everybody knows that elections in the north of Cyprus are sham affairs designed to produce the outcome desired by Turkey, but I have never seen this demonstrated so throughly before using concrete and specific evidence.

[YFred]

Excellent find, thanks Tim

παρακαλώ.

I think the article entitled
"The Turkish Cypriot Political Regime and the Role of Turkey" deserves particular attention:

http://www.kibrisim.org/Kitaplar/dosya/ ... Turkey.pdf

Section three on pages 12-35 provides a highly detailed chronicle of the way Turkey intervened in and influenced the result of the elections held in the north of Cyprus on 14 December 2003. Everybody knows that elections in the north of Cyprus are sham affairs designed to produce the outcome desired by Turkey, but I have never seen this demonstrated so throughly before using concrete and specific evidence.

Tim, I must admit that I havn't read the whole artcicle but does it not prove that despite all the efforts from certain Turkish Intersts to get UBP elected like many times before, never the less CTP was victorious in these elections unlike in the past where CTP lost.

[Tim Drayton]

Excellent find, thanks Tim

παρακαλώ.

I think the article entitled
"The Turkish Cypriot Political Regime and the Role of Turkey" deserves particular attention:

http://www.kibrisim.org/Kitaplar/dosya/ ... Turkey.pdf

Section three on pages 12-35 provides a highly detailed chronicle of the way Turkey intervened in and influenced the result of the elections held in the north of Cyprus on 14 December 2003. Everybody knows that elections in the north of Cyprus are sham affairs designed to produce the outcome desired by Turkey, but I have never seen this demonstrated so throughly before using concrete and specific evidence.

Tim, I must admit that I havn't read the whole artcicle but does it not prove that despite all the efforts from certain Turkish Intersts to get UBP elected like many times before, never the less CTP was victorious in these elections unlike in the past where CTP lost.

That is a very valid point. I must admit that I have not read this article in detail yet, so will do so before commenting.

[Tim Drayton]

YFred raises an interesting point. The evidence presented by Ahmet An suggests that Turkey was trying to ensure a victory by the UBP in the 2003 elections. For example:

3.27.3 Ordinary people were brought in from Turkey to attend the meetings of the UBP. It
was reported that seven buses full of such people were carried by ferry-boat to Famagusta and
the expenses were paid by Mustafa Ozbek, leader of the Turkish Metal-Sen Trade Union.
(Kibris, 11.12.03)

3.27.4 Kibris reported that the UBP hired people from the poor quarters of Nicosia, eg
Kaimakli and the old city, for 20 million TL to populate the Ataturk Stadium during the music
festival of the UBP. (Kibris, 21.11.03)

3.28.6 Excerpt from a letter sent to the columnist Mebmet Altan at www.gazetem.net by a
25 year-old Turkish Cypriot unemployed university graduate: "I would like to refer to an
operation executed in the Karpas region.a region mostly populated by Turkish settlers.on
the night before the elections. . .On that night, the Turkish generals visited the villages in the
Karpas area one by one and told the people that "no vote would be given to the opposition."
Incredible threats were aired. Words like this were uttered: "If the opposition wins from the
ballot boxes of this region, all of you will be sent to Turkey." If you look at the distribution of
votes by region, you will see that these threats helped since the opposition received less than
20% of the vote there." (Ortam, 18.12.03)

Yet, the CTP emerged as the victors in this lection. This certainly contradicts the view expressed by the people at Afrika newspaper, who argue that it was Turkey which brought the CTP into power in 2003 because it suited her interests to do so.

[Kifeas]

YFred raises an interesting point. The evidence presented by Ahmet An suggests that Turkey was trying to ensure a victory by the UBP in the 2003 elections. For example:

3.27.3 Ordinary people were brought in from Turkey to attend the meetings of the UBP. It
was reported that seven buses full of such people were carried by ferry-boat to Famagusta and
the expenses were paid by Mustafa Ozbek, leader of the Turkish Metal-Sen Trade Union.
(Kibris, 11.12.03)

3.27.4 Kibris reported that the UBP hired people from the poor quarters of Nicosia, eg
Kaimakli and the old city, for 20 million TL to populate the Ataturk Stadium during the music
festival of the UBP. (Kibris, 21.11.03)

3.28.6 Excerpt from a letter sent to the columnist Mebmet Altan at www.gazetem.net by a
25 year-old Turkish Cypriot unemployed university graduate: "I would like to refer to an
operation executed in the Karpas region.a region mostly populated by Turkish settlers.on
the night before the elections. . .On that night, the Turkish generals visited the villages in the
Karpas area one by one and told the people that "no vote would be given to the opposition."
Incredible threats were aired. Words like this were uttered: "If the opposition wins from the
ballot boxes of this region, all of you will be sent to Turkey." If you look at the distribution of
votes by region, you will see that these threats helped since the opposition received less than
20% of the vote there." (Ortam, 18.12.03)

Yet, the CTP emerged as the victors in this lection. This certainly contradicts the view expressed by the people at Afrika newspaper, who argue that it was Turkey which brought the CTP into power in 2003 because it suited her interests to do so.

Tim, Turkey does not need to influence any "elections" in the occupied, so that she gets her "chosen" ones to "win!" Turkey does not care who gets to "power" in the north. Turkey knows that whoever claims victory and gets "elected," in the end of the day is only a pawn that will have no other option than to obey what Turkey will order them to do, no matter who they are. Stop thinking that Turkey cares whichever Karagioz will show off as the "president" or the "prime-minister," when in fact they can force them to resign in less than a second, by merely picking up the phone and telling him /them so. They can order their security body guards to abandon them, remove their car drivers, even cut the electricity of their offices or block the use of their mobiles, in just one second, and they immediately become kings without kingdoms. Turkey does not care what the name of the puppet is, when in fact they are in control of everything in the occupied north, including the puppet's very breath!

[zan]

YFred raises an interesting point. The evidence presented by Ahmet An suggests that Turkey was trying to ensure a victory by the UBP in the 2003 elections. For example:

3.27.3 Ordinary people were brought in from Turkey to attend the meetings of the UBP. It
was reported that seven buses full of such people were carried by ferry-boat to Famagusta and
the expenses were paid by Mustafa Ozbek, leader of the Turkish Metal-Sen Trade Union.
(Kibris, 11.12.03)

3.27.4 Kibris reported that the UBP hired people from the poor quarters of Nicosia, eg
Kaimakli and the old city, for 20 million TL to populate the Ataturk Stadium during the music
festival of the UBP. (Kibris, 21.11.03)

3.28.6 Excerpt from a letter sent to the columnist Mebmet Altan at www.gazetem.net by a
25 year-old Turkish Cypriot unemployed university graduate: "I would like to refer to an
operation executed in the Karpas region.a region mostly populated by Turkish settlers.on
the night before the elections. . .On that night, the Turkish generals visited the villages in the
Karpas area one by one and told the people that "no vote would be given to the opposition."
Incredible threats were aired. Words like this were uttered: "If the opposition wins from the
ballot boxes of this region, all of you will be sent to Turkey." If you look at the distribution of
votes by region, you will see that these threats helped since the opposition received less than
20% of the vote there." (Ortam, 18.12.03)

Yet, the CTP emerged as the victors in this lection. This certainly contradicts the view expressed by the people at Afrika newspaper, who argue that it was Turkey which brought the CTP into power in 2003 because it suited her interests to do so.

Bastards!!! Big countries manipulating small ones...Where the hell did they learn that from???

[YFred]

YFred raises an interesting point. The evidence presented by Ahmet An suggests that Turkey was trying to ensure a victory by the UBP in the 2003 elections. For example:

3.27.3 Ordinary people were brought in from Turkey to attend the meetings of the UBP. It
was reported that seven buses full of such people were carried by ferry-boat to Famagusta and
the expenses were paid by Mustafa Ozbek, leader of the Turkish Metal-Sen Trade Union.
(Kibris, 11.12.03)

3.27.4 Kibris reported that the UBP hired people from the poor quarters of Nicosia, eg
Kaimakli and the old city, for 20 million TL to populate the Ataturk Stadium during the music
festival of the UBP. (Kibris, 21.11.03)

3.28.6 Excerpt from a letter sent to the columnist Mebmet Altan at www.gazetem.net by a
25 year-old Turkish Cypriot unemployed university graduate: "I would like to refer to an
operation executed in the Karpas region.a region mostly populated by Turkish settlers.on
the night before the elections. . .On that night, the Turkish generals visited the villages in the
Karpas area one by one and told the people that "no vote would be given to the opposition."
Incredible threats were aired. Words like this were uttered: "If the opposition wins from the
ballot boxes of this region, all of you will be sent to Turkey." If you look at the distribution of
votes by region, you will see that these threats helped since the opposition received less than
20% of the vote there." (Ortam, 18.12.03)

Yet, the CTP emerged as the victors in this lection. This certainly contradicts the view expressed by the people at Afrika newspaper, who argue that it was Turkey which brought the CTP into power in 2003 because it suited her interests to do so.

Bastards!!! Big countries manipulating small ones...Where the hell did they learn that from???

You see Zan, they are being very quiet about this because it proves their main theory wrong regarding TCs and elections.

Well here we are stood up to Turkey and elected a President which they did not approve and what did we get from the GCs, not even a Trojan horse. They gave us Papadobullaki who had no intention of solving the Cyprus problem which wasted all the negotiating time till Christofias arrived. And where did start from? Where Papadobullaki left off. Go figure that out. And of course the TCs will get the blame for non solution, they think. All I can say to all of them is be prepared to be shocked not in too distant future.

[zan]

YFred raises an interesting point. The evidence presented by Ahmet An suggests that Turkey was trying to ensure a victory by the UBP in the 2003 elections. For example:

3.27.3 Ordinary people were brought in from Turkey to attend the meetings of the UBP. It
was reported that seven buses full of such people were carried by ferry-boat to Famagusta and
the expenses were paid by Mustafa Ozbek, leader of the Turkish Metal-Sen Trade Union.
(Kibris, 11.12.03)

3.27.4 Kibris reported that the UBP hired people from the poor quarters of Nicosia, eg
Kaimakli and the old city, for 20 million TL to populate the Ataturk Stadium during the music
festival of the UBP. (Kibris, 21.11.03)

3.28.6 Excerpt from a letter sent to the columnist Mebmet Altan at www.gazetem.net by a
25 year-old Turkish Cypriot unemployed university graduate: "I would like to refer to an
operation executed in the Karpas region.a region mostly populated by Turkish settlers.on
the night before the elections. . .On that night, the Turkish generals visited the villages in the
Karpas area one by one and told the people that "no vote would be given to the opposition."
Incredible threats were aired. Words like this were uttered: "If the opposition wins from the
ballot boxes of this region, all of you will be sent to Turkey." If you look at the distribution of
votes by region, you will see that these threats helped since the opposition received less than
20% of the vote there." (Ortam, 18.12.03)

Yet, the CTP emerged as the victors in this lection. This certainly contradicts the view expressed by the people at Afrika newspaper, who argue that it was Turkey which brought the CTP into power in 2003 because it suited her interests to do so.

Bastards!!! Big countries manipulating small ones...Where the hell did they learn that from???

You see Zan, they are being very quiet about this because it proves their main theory wrong regarding TCs and elections.

Well here we are stood up to Turkey and elected a President which they did not approve and what did we get from the GCs, not even a Trojan horse. They gave us Papadobullaki who had no intention of solving the Cyprus problem which wasted all the negotiating time till Christofias arrived. And where did start from? Where Papadobullaki left off. Go figure that out. And of course the TCs will get the blame for non solution, they think. All I can say to all of them is be prepared to be shocked not in too distant future.

Theory!! What theory??? They are flailing about like beached whales flipping their tails at anything remotely like a wet patch in the sand.

They just throw enough shit around knowing that at least some will stick. I am getting more angry at those that don't simply wipe it off for what it is...Shit!!!