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[Nikitas]

The above posts lead to the inevitable question, who are we negotiating with and what for? The ultimate goal being a BBF with who? The Turkish Cypriots or the newly morphed entity called the Turks of Cyprus as explained by Bayrak station. The Turks of Cyprus outnumebr TCs two to one.

The current Talat-Christofias negoatiation is a last ditch attempt to help the TC community survive, but it seems that Turkey has effectively eroded every facet of life in the north, often with the connivance and collusion of "patriot" TCs who no doubt reap suitable rewards of GC land. With such erosion it is impossible to have meaningful talks.

In effect Turkey is using stolen wealth to reward its local vassals, a method that worked back in Ottoman times. It is interesting that the methodology works with TCs, I hoped they would be wiser.

[james_mav]

It is interesting that the methodology works with TCs, I hoped they would be wiser.

If history has shown us anything, it has shown us that putting your faith in the wisdom or honour of tourkomogoloi will always be a mistake.

[Tim Drayton]

The above posts lead to the inevitable question, who are we negotiating with and what for? The ultimate goal being a BBF with who? The Turkish Cypriots or the newly morphed entity called the Turks of Cyprus as explained by Bayrak station. The Turks of Cyprus outnumebr TCs two to one.

The current Talat-Christofias negoatiation is a last ditch attempt to help the TC community survive, but it seems that Turkey has effectively eroded every facet of life in the north, often with the connivance and collusion of "patriot" TCs who no doubt reap suitable rewards of GC land. With such erosion it is impossible to have meaningful talks.

In effect Turkey is using stolen wealth to reward its local vassals, a method that worked back in Ottoman times. It is interesting that the methodology works with TCs, I hoped they would be wiser.

Unfortunately, I think a huge tactical error was made in accepting the de-facto TRNC electoral list as the basis for determining who got to vote in the "Turkish Cypriot" referendum on the Annan Plan. I have argued elsewhere that this has a set a clear precedent from which it will be very hard to move back.

[Kikapu]

The above posts lead to the inevitable question, who are we negotiating with and what for? The ultimate goal being a BBF with who? The Turkish Cypriots or the newly morphed entity called the Turks of Cyprus as explained by Bayrak station. The Turks of Cyprus outnumebr TCs two to one.

The current Talat-Christofias negoatiation is a last ditch attempt to help the TC community survive, but it seems that Turkey has effectively eroded every facet of life in the north, often with the connivance and collusion of "patriot" TCs who no doubt reap suitable rewards of GC land. With such erosion it is impossible to have meaningful talks.

In effect Turkey is using stolen wealth to reward its local vassals, a method that worked back in Ottoman times. It is interesting that the methodology works with TCs, I hoped they would be wiser.

Unfortunately, I think a huge tactical error was made in accepting the de-facto TRNC electoral list as the basis for determining who got to vote in the "Turkish Cypriot" referendum on the Annan Plan. I have argued elsewhere that this has a set a clear precedent from which it will be very hard to move back.

Tim,

Christofias can insist to the UN and the EU that the TC votes in the north is very much "contaminated" with the settlers holding fake TC "citizenships" and since the latest revelation that there are no TCs in the north but only "Turks of Cyprus", then there can be no referendum held in the north if there are no TCs. The UN can hold all TC voting ballot boxes at the all the crossings in the RoC and keep it open for 7 days and night, therefore all those TCs who are eligible to cross into the RoC, will be able to come and vote...simple. The "contaminated voters" will not be able to cross into the RoC. All those TCs who are either too old to travel or are sick and can't travel, can register in advance for the UN to visit them personally so that they can cast their votes in the north. If the referendum is going to be between the True GCs and True TCs, there cannot be any other way that can be acceptable, other than filtering out the "contaminated voters" from the True TCs voting pool.! But then again, Turkey may want to keep the True TCs away from the ballot boxes, so that she can control her own people to get the results she wants, like accepting a settlement that will make it easier for her to continue the EU talks. Talat is now worried that Turkey may sell out the TCs. He has a right to be concerned, but it's the TCs own bloody fault in the first place if that were to happen.

[YFred]

The above posts lead to the inevitable question, who are we negotiating with and what for? The ultimate goal being a BBF with who? The Turkish Cypriots or the newly morphed entity called the Turks of Cyprus as explained by Bayrak station. The Turks of Cyprus outnumebr TCs two to one.

The current Talat-Christofias negoatiation is a last ditch attempt to help the TC community survive, but it seems that Turkey has effectively eroded every facet of life in the north, often with the connivance and collusion of "patriot" TCs who no doubt reap suitable rewards of GC land. With such erosion it is impossible to have meaningful talks.

In effect Turkey is using stolen wealth to reward its local vassals, a method that worked back in Ottoman times. It is interesting that the methodology works with TCs, I hoped they would be wiser.

Unfortunately, I think a huge tactical error was made in accepting the de-facto TRNC electoral list as the basis for determining who got to vote in the "Turkish Cypriot" referendum on the Annan Plan. I have argued elsewhere that this has a set a clear precedent from which it will be very hard to move back.

Tim,

Christofias can insist to the UN and the EU that the TC votes in the north is very much "contaminated" with the settlers holding fake TC "citizenships" and since the latest revelation that there are no TCs in the north but only "Turks of Cyprus", then there can be no referendum held in the north if there are no TCs. The UN can hold all TC voting ballot boxes at the all the crossings in the RoC and keep it open for 7 days and night, therefore all those TCs who are eligible to cross into the RoC, will be able to come and vote...simple. The "contaminated voters" will not be able to cross into the RoC. All those TCs who are either too old to travel or are sick and can't travel, can register in advance for the UN to visit them personally so that they can cast their votes in the north. If the referendum is going to be between the True GCs and True TCs, there cannot be any other way that can be acceptable, other than filtering out the "contaminated voters" from the True TCs voting pool.! But then again, Turkey may want to keep the True TCs away from the ballot boxes, so that she can control her own people to get the results she wants, like accepting a settlement that will make it easier for her to continue the EU talks. Talat is now worried that Turkey may sell out the TCs. He has a right to be concerned, but it's the TCs own bloody fault in the first place if that were to happen.

Fantastic plan Kiks, send it to Mr X and see if he will propose it?

[Tim Drayton]

The above posts lead to the inevitable question, who are we negotiating with and what for? The ultimate goal being a BBF with who? The Turkish Cypriots or the newly morphed entity called the Turks of Cyprus as explained by Bayrak station. The Turks of Cyprus outnumebr TCs two to one.

The current Talat-Christofias negoatiation is a last ditch attempt to help the TC community survive, but it seems that Turkey has effectively eroded every facet of life in the north, often with the connivance and collusion of "patriot" TCs who no doubt reap suitable rewards of GC land. With such erosion it is impossible to have meaningful talks.

In effect Turkey is using stolen wealth to reward its local vassals, a method that worked back in Ottoman times. It is interesting that the methodology works with TCs, I hoped they would be wiser.

Unfortunately, I think a huge tactical error was made in accepting the de-facto TRNC electoral list as the basis for determining who got to vote in the "Turkish Cypriot" referendum on the Annan Plan. I have argued elsewhere that this has a set a clear precedent from which it will be very hard to move back.

Tim,

Christofias can insist to the UN and the EU that the TC votes in the north is very much "contaminated" with the settlers holding fake TC "citizenships" and since the latest revelation that there are no TCs in the north but only "Turks of Cyprus", then there can be no referendum held in the north if there are no TCs. The UN can hold all TC voting ballot boxes at the all the crossings in the RoC and keep it open for 7 days and night, therefore all those TCs who are eligible to cross into the RoC, will be able to come and vote...simple. The "contaminated voters" will not be able to cross into the RoC. All those TCs who are either too old to travel or are sick and can't travel, can register in advance for the UN to visit them personally so that they can cast their votes in the north. If the referendum is going to be between the True GCs and True TCs, there cannot be any other way that can be acceptable, other than filtering out the "contaminated voters" from the True TCs voting pool.! But then again, Turkey may want to keep the True TCs away from the ballot boxes, so that she can control her own people to get the results she wants, like accepting a settlement that will make it easier for her to continue the EU talks. Talat is now worried that Turkey may sell out the TCs. He has a right to be concerned, but it's the TCs own bloody fault in the first place if that were to happen.

A comment (with reference to Turkey) by a Turkish Cypriot I heard recently while in the north was:

"Hakiki gavur onlar çıktı."

[Kikapu]

The above posts lead to the inevitable question, who are we negotiating with and what for? The ultimate goal being a BBF with who? The Turkish Cypriots or the newly morphed entity called the Turks of Cyprus as explained by Bayrak station. The Turks of Cyprus outnumebr TCs two to one.

The current Talat-Christofias negoatiation is a last ditch attempt to help the TC community survive, but it seems that Turkey has effectively eroded every facet of life in the north, often with the connivance and collusion of "patriot" TCs who no doubt reap suitable rewards of GC land. With such erosion it is impossible to have meaningful talks.

In effect Turkey is using stolen wealth to reward its local vassals, a method that worked back in Ottoman times. It is interesting that the methodology works with TCs, I hoped they would be wiser.

Unfortunately, I think a huge tactical error was made in accepting the de-facto TRNC electoral list as the basis for determining who got to vote in the "Turkish Cypriot" referendum on the Annan Plan. I have argued elsewhere that this has a set a clear precedent from which it will be very hard to move back.

Tim,

Christofias can insist to the UN and the EU that the TC votes in the north is very much "contaminated" with the settlers holding fake TC "citizenships" and since the latest revelation that there are no TCs in the north but only "Turks of Cyprus", then there can be no referendum held in the north if there are no TCs. The UN can hold all TC voting ballot boxes at the all the crossings in the RoC and keep it open for 7 days and night, therefore all those TCs who are eligible to cross into the RoC, will be able to come and vote...simple. The "contaminated voters" will not be able to cross into the RoC. All those TCs who are either too old to travel or are sick and can't travel, can register in advance for the UN to visit them personally so that they can cast their votes in the north. If the referendum is going to be between the True GCs and True TCs, there cannot be any other way that can be acceptable, other than filtering out the "contaminated voters" from the True TCs voting pool.! But then again, Turkey may want to keep the True TCs away from the ballot boxes, so that she can control her own people to get the results she wants, like accepting a settlement that will make it easier for her to continue the EU talks. Talat is now worried that Turkey may sell out the TCs. He has a right to be concerned, but it's the TCs own bloody fault in the first place if that were to happen.

Fantastic plan Kiks, send it to Mr X and see if he will propose it?

No need to send anything. I'm sure Christofias reads all my posts here on the Cyprus Forum. Papadopoulous use to and I'm sure that Talat still does also.!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13198

[Kikapu]

The above posts lead to the inevitable question, who are we negotiating with and what for? The ultimate goal being a BBF with who? The Turkish Cypriots or the newly morphed entity called the Turks of Cyprus as explained by Bayrak station. The Turks of Cyprus outnumebr TCs two to one.

The current Talat-Christofias negoatiation is a last ditch attempt to help the TC community survive, but it seems that Turkey has effectively eroded every facet of life in the north, often with the connivance and collusion of "patriot" TCs who no doubt reap suitable rewards of GC land. With such erosion it is impossible to have meaningful talks.

In effect Turkey is using stolen wealth to reward its local vassals, a method that worked back in Ottoman times. It is interesting that the methodology works with TCs, I hoped they would be wiser.

Unfortunately, I think a huge tactical error was made in accepting the de-facto TRNC electoral list as the basis for determining who got to vote in the "Turkish Cypriot" referendum on the Annan Plan. I have argued elsewhere that this has a set a clear precedent from which it will be very hard to move back.

Tim,

Christofias can insist to the UN and the EU that the TC votes in the north is very much "contaminated" with the settlers holding fake TC "citizenships" and since the latest revelation that there are no TCs in the north but only "Turks of Cyprus", then there can be no referendum held in the north if there are no TCs. The UN can hold all TC voting ballot boxes at the all the crossings in the RoC and keep it open for 7 days and night, therefore all those TCs who are eligible to cross into the RoC, will be able to come and vote...simple. The "contaminated voters" will not be able to cross into the RoC. All those TCs who are either too old to travel or are sick and can't travel, can register in advance for the UN to visit them personally so that they can cast their votes in the north. If the referendum is going to be between the True GCs and True TCs, there cannot be any other way that can be acceptable, other than filtering out the "contaminated voters" from the True TCs voting pool.! But then again, Turkey may want to keep the True TCs away from the ballot boxes, so that she can control her own people to get the results she wants, like accepting a settlement that will make it easier for her to continue the EU talks. Talat is now worried that Turkey may sell out the TCs. He has a right to be concerned, but it's the TCs own bloody fault in the first place if that were to happen.

A comment (with reference to Turkey) by a Turkish Cypriot I heard recently while in the north was:

"Hakiki gavur onlar çıktı."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24656

[YFred]

The above posts lead to the inevitable question, who are we negotiating with and what for? The ultimate goal being a BBF with who? The Turkish Cypriots or the newly morphed entity called the Turks of Cyprus as explained by Bayrak station. The Turks of Cyprus outnumebr TCs two to one.

The current Talat-Christofias negoatiation is a last ditch attempt to help the TC community survive, but it seems that Turkey has effectively eroded every facet of life in the north, often with the connivance and collusion of "patriot" TCs who no doubt reap suitable rewards of GC land. With such erosion it is impossible to have meaningful talks.

In effect Turkey is using stolen wealth to reward its local vassals, a method that worked back in Ottoman times. It is interesting that the methodology works with TCs, I hoped they would be wiser.

Unfortunately, I think a huge tactical error was made in accepting the de-facto TRNC electoral list as the basis for determining who got to vote in the "Turkish Cypriot" referendum on the Annan Plan. I have argued elsewhere that this has a set a clear precedent from which it will be very hard to move back.

Tim,

Christofias can insist to the UN and the EU that the TC votes in the north is very much "contaminated" with the settlers holding fake TC "citizenships" and since the latest revelation that there are no TCs in the north but only "Turks of Cyprus", then there can be no referendum held in the north if there are no TCs. The UN can hold all TC voting ballot boxes at the all the crossings in the RoC and keep it open for 7 days and night, therefore all those TCs who are eligible to cross into the RoC, will be able to come and vote...simple. The "contaminated voters" will not be able to cross into the RoC. All those TCs who are either too old to travel or are sick and can't travel, can register in advance for the UN to visit them personally so that they can cast their votes in the north. If the referendum is going to be between the True GCs and True TCs, there cannot be any other way that can be acceptable, other than filtering out the "contaminated voters" from the True TCs voting pool.! But then again, Turkey may want to keep the True TCs away from the ballot boxes, so that she can control her own people to get the results she wants, like accepting a settlement that will make it easier for her to continue the EU talks. Talat is now worried that Turkey may sell out the TCs. He has a right to be concerned, but it's the TCs own bloody fault in the first place if that were to happen.

Fantastic plan Kiks, send it to Mr X and see if he will propose it?

No need to send anything. I'm sure Christofias reads all my posts here on the Cyprus Forum. Papadopoulous use to and I'm sure that Talat still does also.!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13198

Kiks, you must have a lot of time in your hands, most other Greeks I know of, hold something else in their hand!

[Tim Drayton]

The above posts lead to the inevitable question, who are we negotiating with and what for? The ultimate goal being a BBF with who? The Turkish Cypriots or the newly morphed entity called the Turks of Cyprus as explained by Bayrak station. The Turks of Cyprus outnumebr TCs two to one.

The current Talat-Christofias negoatiation is a last ditch attempt to help the TC community survive, but it seems that Turkey has effectively eroded every facet of life in the north, often with the connivance and collusion of "patriot" TCs who no doubt reap suitable rewards of GC land. With such erosion it is impossible to have meaningful talks.

In effect Turkey is using stolen wealth to reward its local vassals, a method that worked back in Ottoman times. It is interesting that the methodology works with TCs, I hoped they would be wiser.

Unfortunately, I think a huge tactical error was made in accepting the de-facto TRNC electoral list as the basis for determining who got to vote in the "Turkish Cypriot" referendum on the Annan Plan. I have argued elsewhere that this has a set a clear precedent from which it will be very hard to move back.

Tim,

Christofias can insist to the UN and the EU that the TC votes in the north is very much "contaminated" with the settlers holding fake TC "citizenships" and since the latest revelation that there are no TCs in the north but only "Turks of Cyprus", then there can be no referendum held in the north if there are no TCs. The UN can hold all TC voting ballot boxes at the all the crossings in the RoC and keep it open for 7 days and night, therefore all those TCs who are eligible to cross into the RoC, will be able to come and vote...simple. The "contaminated voters" will not be able to cross into the RoC. All those TCs who are either too old to travel or are sick and can't travel, can register in advance for the UN to visit them personally so that they can cast their votes in the north. If the referendum is going to be between the True GCs and True TCs, there cannot be any other way that can be acceptable, other than filtering out the "contaminated voters" from the True TCs voting pool.! But then again, Turkey may want to keep the True TCs away from the ballot boxes, so that she can control her own people to get the results she wants, like accepting a settlement that will make it easier for her to continue the EU talks. Talat is now worried that Turkey may sell out the TCs. He has a right to be concerned, but it's the TCs own bloody fault in the first place if that were to happen.

Fantastic plan Kiks, send it to Mr X and see if he will propose it?

No need to send anything. I'm sure Christofias reads all my posts here on the Cyprus Forum. Papadopoulous use to and I'm sure that Talat still does also.!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13198

Kiks, you must have a lot of time in your hands, most other Greeks I know of, hold something else in their hand!

I thought you were a self-confessed linobambaki, anyway. Or am I confusing you with somebody else?