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[YFred]

The RoC will not recognize Kosovo at the present time and rightfully so, since neither does the UN or the EU bodies. Another reason, is not to go against the wishes of Russia and China, because the RoC needs their support in the UNSC. But that's not to say, that the RoC will not recognize Kosovo as a EU member, because they will have to when the time comes, and the rational will be, that unless they allow Kosovo to become a EU member, the other EU members who do recognise Kosovo will threaten to veto Serbia into the EU club. Russia will want Serbia to be in the EU club just as the US wants Turkey in the EU, therefore, Russia will accept Kosovo to be in the EU as long as Serbia makes it also at the same time. Once Kosovo is in the EU club, it will be recognised by everyone. This of course will get the RoC and the other 3 EU member states off the hook with Russia and perhaps even with China, since they had to compromise on Kosovo in order to have Serbia in becoming a full EU member state. The payoff will be of course, that the RoC will have another close ally in the EU next to Greece, which will be Serbia.! Serbia will be another EU member which will be a threat to Turkey's chances of becoming a EU member, since Turkey recognises Kosovo. In the end, it is going to be a Chess Game for all those involved with Kosovo and Serbia. By one side giving up a piece in order to become a EU member vs. the other side winning a more important piece by also becoming a EU member. This will also be the kind of a game Turkey will have to play at some point in the future with the RoC over the north and the "trnc". Turkey too will need to give up something small, to gain something BIG in return, just like Serbia will with Kosovo!

Kicks you put such nice gloss over Total and pure International Hypocrisy. I agree with most of what you say and the chances are it will happen except the last bit, where Turkey will give a little to get more. You don't understand the Dynamics of Power in Turkey and I am not about to “learn” you it, you will have to find out yourself.

[Mr. T]

Religion should not in any way influence our choice of friends

So you're a Godless heathen as well as a traitior huh? Fitting!

There have been many illogical, pathetic comments on this forum but this one definitely takes the biscuit.

I don't agree with everything Miltiades writes by any means but he is obviously an intelligent, reasonable, caring, thinking person and a great friend and supporter of Cyprus so please don't come out with such rot.

It may be the in thing to join the mob like morons whose current craze is to 'bash Miltiades' because he has a good brain of which others like yourself are so manifestly jealous so IF you have a brain try to use it.

[Kikapu]

The RoC will not recognize Kosovo at the present time and rightfully so, since neither does the UN or the EU bodies. Another reason, is not to go against the wishes of Russia and China, because the RoC needs their support in the UNSC. But that's not to say, that the RoC will not recognize Kosovo as a EU member, because they will have to when the time comes, and the rational will be, that unless they allow Kosovo to become a EU member, the other EU members who do recognise Kosovo will threaten to veto Serbia into the EU club. Russia will want Serbia to be in the EU club just as the US wants Turkey in the EU, therefore, Russia will accept Kosovo to be in the EU as long as Serbia makes it also at the same time. Once Kosovo is in the EU club, it will be recognised by everyone. This of course will get the RoC and the other 3 EU member states off the hook with Russia and perhaps even with China, since they had to compromise on Kosovo in order to have Serbia in becoming a full EU member state. The payoff will be of course, that the RoC will have another close ally in the EU next to Greece, which will be Serbia.! Serbia will be another EU member which will be a threat to Turkey's chances of becoming a EU member, since Turkey recognises Kosovo. In the end, it is going to be a Chess Game for all those involved with Kosovo and Serbia. By one side giving up a piece in order to become a EU member vs. the other side winning a more important piece by also becoming a EU member. This will also be the kind of a game Turkey will have to play at some point in the future with the RoC over the north and the "trnc". Turkey too will need to give up something small, to gain something BIG in return, just like Serbia will with Kosovo!

Kicks you put such nice gloss over Total and pure International Hypocrisy. I agree with most of what you say and the chances are it will happen except the last bit, where Turkey will give a little to get more. You don't understand the Dynamics of Power in Turkey and I am not about to “learn” you it, you will have to find out yourself.

If Turkey does not play ball by giving a little to gain BIG, then she will be left out of the game that she desperately wants to play in (EU), and if she chooses not wanting to play any longer, then there will go her sponsor (USA). For the Americans it makes no difference if they befriend the Turks or the Kurds, who happen to be sitting on oil by the way, where as, Turkey has none. With 4 MEGA bases in Iraq, the Americans no longer need Inçirlik air base in Turkey to conduct their operations in the Middle East. They also got Afghanistan to build permanent bases also.!

[Mr. T]

Good News for our Serbian brothers.

Since when are Serbians our "brothers" , cousins or relations !!
Still we have added another ...powerful and ...influential ally , so now its not just Namibia , Cuba , Iran , Botswana Hamas and Hezbollah but Serbia no less , who even wants to train our army , Oh boy !!!
Makarios used to do that , search for all minions in the political fields and befriend them , we haven't changed have we.

Been at the booze again? What's the difference between your Turks and Hamas, both are Mudslims. Go to Israel and live in a Kibbutz, maybe you will meet Madeline Albright or Henry Kissinger. They might tell you their plans on bringing back the Ottoman empire.

What's the difference between Turks and Hamas, both are Muslims!!!

Such an inane comment. You could just as well say 'What is the difference between those fighting and murdering for nazi Germany and St. Teresa, both were Christians.

[Oracle]

Good News for our Serbian brothers.

Since when are Serbians our "brothers" , cousins or relations !!
Still we have added another ...powerful and ...influential ally , so now its not just Namibia , Cuba , Iran , Botswana Hamas and Hezbollah but Serbia no less , who even wants to train our army , Oh boy !!!
Makarios used to do that , search for all minions in the political fields and befriend them , we haven't changed have we.

Been at the booze again? What's the difference between your Turks and Hamas, both are Mudslims. Go to Israel and live in a Kibbutz, maybe you will meet Madeline Albright or Henry Kissinger. They might tell you their plans on bringing back the Ottoman empire.

What's the difference between Turks and Hamas, both are Muslims!!!

Such an inane comment. You could just as well say 'What is the difference between those fighting and murdering for nazi Germany and St. Teresa, both were Christians.

Then I guess the Turks are the Nazis and Hamas are St. Teresa

[Oracle]

Blood brothers in genocide!

Bubbles .... you are hysterical!

Go back to the Games threads this instant!

[denizaksulu]

Blood brothers in genocide!

Bubbles .... you are hysterical!

Go back to the Games threads this instant!

Wrong Bubbles O.

[YFred]

The RoC will not recognize Kosovo at the present time and rightfully so, since neither does the UN or the EU bodies. Another reason, is not to go against the wishes of Russia and China, because the RoC needs their support in the UNSC. But that's not to say, that the RoC will not recognize Kosovo as a EU member, because they will have to when the time comes, and the rational will be, that unless they allow Kosovo to become a EU member, the other EU members who do recognise Kosovo will threaten to veto Serbia into the EU club. Russia will want Serbia to be in the EU club just as the US wants Turkey in the EU, therefore, Russia will accept Kosovo to be in the EU as long as Serbia makes it also at the same time. Once Kosovo is in the EU club, it will be recognised by everyone. This of course will get the RoC and the other 3 EU member states off the hook with Russia and perhaps even with China, since they had to compromise on Kosovo in order to have Serbia in becoming a full EU member state. The payoff will be of course, that the RoC will have another close ally in the EU next to Greece, which will be Serbia.! Serbia will be another EU member which will be a threat to Turkey's chances of becoming a EU member, since Turkey recognises Kosovo. In the end, it is going to be a Chess Game for all those involved with Kosovo and Serbia. By one side giving up a piece in order to become a EU member vs. the other side winning a more important piece by also becoming a EU member. This will also be the kind of a game Turkey will have to play at some point in the future with the RoC over the north and the "trnc". Turkey too will need to give up something small, to gain something BIG in return, just like Serbia will with Kosovo!

Kicks you put such nice gloss over Total and pure International Hypocrisy. I agree with most of what you say and the chances are it will happen except the last bit, where Turkey will give a little to get more. You don't understand the Dynamics of Power in Turkey and I am not about to “learn” you it, you will have to find out yourself.

If Turkey does not play ball by giving a little to gain BIG, then she will be left out of the game that she desperately wants to play in (EU), and if she chooses not wanting to play any longer, then there will go her sponsor (USA). For the Americans it makes no difference if they befriend the Turks or the Kurds, who happen to be sitting on oil by the way, where as, Turkey has none. With 4 MEGA bases in Iraq, the Americans no longer need Inçirlik air base in Turkey to conduct their operations in the Middle East. They also got Afghanistan to build permanent bases also.!

Incirlik is worth 100 bases in Iraq. Yanks will never have a moments peace in Iraq and will have to pull out sooner or later.
I don't agree with this but Turkish American intersts are one and will outweigh any other combination except Israel/American Interests.

[Oracle]

Blood brothers in genocide!

Bubbles .... you are hysterical!

Go back to the Games threads this instant!

Wrong Bubbles O.

What?

... there's three of them?

... And all as dumb as each other?

[Kikapu]

The RoC will not recognize Kosovo at the present time and rightfully so, since neither does the UN or the EU bodies. Another reason, is not to go against the wishes of Russia and China, because the RoC needs their support in the UNSC. But that's not to say, that the RoC will not recognize Kosovo as a EU member, because they will have to when the time comes, and the rational will be, that unless they allow Kosovo to become a EU member, the other EU members who do recognise Kosovo will threaten to veto Serbia into the EU club. Russia will want Serbia to be in the EU club just as the US wants Turkey in the EU, therefore, Russia will accept Kosovo to be in the EU as long as Serbia makes it also at the same time. Once Kosovo is in the EU club, it will be recognised by everyone. This of course will get the RoC and the other 3 EU member states off the hook with Russia and perhaps even with China, since they had to compromise on Kosovo in order to have Serbia in becoming a full EU member state. The payoff will be of course, that the RoC will have another close ally in the EU next to Greece, which will be Serbia.! Serbia will be another EU member which will be a threat to Turkey's chances of becoming a EU member, since Turkey recognises Kosovo. In the end, it is going to be a Chess Game for all those involved with Kosovo and Serbia. By one side giving up a piece in order to become a EU member vs. the other side winning a more important piece by also becoming a EU member. This will also be the kind of a game Turkey will have to play at some point in the future with the RoC over the north and the "trnc". Turkey too will need to give up something small, to gain something BIG in return, just like Serbia will with Kosovo!

Kicks you put such nice gloss over Total and pure International Hypocrisy. I agree with most of what you say and the chances are it will happen except the last bit, where Turkey will give a little to get more. You don't understand the Dynamics of Power in Turkey and I am not about to “learn” you it, you will have to find out yourself.

If Turkey does not play ball by giving a little to gain BIG, then she will be left out of the game that she desperately wants to play in (EU), and if she chooses not wanting to play any longer, then there will go her sponsor (USA). For the Americans it makes no difference if they befriend the Turks or the Kurds, who happen to be sitting on oil by the way, where as, Turkey has none. With 4 MEGA bases in Iraq, the Americans no longer need Inçirlik air base in Turkey to conduct their operations in the Middle East. They also got Afghanistan to build permanent bases also.!

Incirlik is worth 100 bases in Iraq. Yanks will never have a moments peace in Iraq and will have to pull out sooner or later.
I don't agree with this but Turkish American intersts are one and will outweigh any other combination except Israel/American Interests.

Really.!!

What good did Inçirlik do to the Americans at their most needy moment in wanting to move troops and supplies from there to northern Iraq in 2003, and Turkey said NO, even for 20 Billion US Dollars. Don't you believe for a moment that the Americans have forgotten that letdown, although I personally commend Turkey in doing that, only if it was for moral reasons, but it really was not but rather for the oil fields in Kirkuk, which also did not work out for the Turks. They really shot themselves on both feet on that occasion as well as blowing 20 Billion US Dollars.!