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[MrH]

If a Proposed Unification of the Cyprus problem is to be for the “Cypriots” without the fascist/nationalist context (as Talat and Christofias are obviously implying), then would you not agree that the Island’s OFFICIAL COMMON LANGUAGE should be “English”? Including its Town and City names?

We can argue the parameters of a settlement until the cows come home, but, we must realise that the only reason why Britain and America have succeeded in embracing all their citizens under an “American” and “British” nationality is, primarily, because of its Common Language – do you not agree?

With Cyprus, if the island is to unite, and not divide into Two States, then the Common Languages, even of the two so-called “Constituent” states must still be “English” and not “Turkish” or “Greek”. If they are (Turkish or Greek) then I would say that the two Constituent areas will ultimately lead to partition anyway – but no doubt after a conflict, do you not agree?

Put it this way, after a so-called Federal Solution, will the Northern Village of “Dikmen” (in Turkish) be officially known as “Dikmen” or “Digomo” (in Greek). These are only one of many hundreds of practical conflicts at ground level that set the Turkish and Greek peoples of Cyprus apart, and promotes their Partition. And, it was part of the former Yugoslavian parcel that ultimately divided it into 5-Republic states. For us (Turkish Cypriots) the Greek Cypriot “Digomo” will always be “Dikmen”, as similar to “Guzelyurt”, “Gazi Magosa”, “Kucuk Kaymakli” and “Karpaz”.

Naturally, Christofias and Talat are both ignoring many other practicalities in their desperate hope to carve their name on Cyprus’ failed plague of Cyprus Conflicts, but we all know the more important and practical elements of the Cyprus solution will surface after a premature deal is signed – naturally leading to another conflict. If they both had a serious outlook to solve the Cyprus problem as a “Purely” unified so-called “Cypriot” (of Cyprus) entity, then I would suggest that the current talks would need to probably continue for at least another 10 years in order to “Completely Solve All conflict related Issues”.

Wouldn’t it be wise to set the Cyprus stage based on a “Two State” formula? I wonder how long it will take for our ignorant leaders to realise the many other impractical elements, if they wish to unify the island under a Federal Umbrella, of the Cyprus PROBLEM?

I wonder if we will base our future Solution Proposal on Obama’s “Two State” formula for Palestine and Israel?

[Tim Drayton]

It is a myth that everybody and their dog in Cyprus can speak fluent English. The truth is that many people here speak only one of the vernacular languages. The proposal, however well intentioned, of making English the official language would discriminate against the majority of the population who are not fluent in this language. You would end up with the situation seen in so many post-colonial countries that elected to give official status to the language of their formal colonial masters where a small privilged elite is created from among those who speak this language well. I think this would be an anti-democratic and backward step.

[YFred]

What is wrong with the current system with a small change? Each community must learn the other language as the second language in their curriculum.

[Oracle]

The native language, which nearly 90% of the population already speak, is Greek. So, only this needs to be the Official language.

Of course, English will be the working language in most scenarios. Other necessary codes can be taught at schools, spoken as main languages at home, socially, wherever, etc.

Pleased to finally see acceptance that Turkish, as an Official language, is redundant, outdated and divisive; therefore, an unwelcome influence in the future.

[ahristos]

SO WHAT GOES EASILLY IN TURKISH MOUTH YOU CALL IT US THE GREEKS BUT IF
FAMAGUSTA IS DIFICULTE WORD TO TURKS
YOU CALL IT MAGOSA AND NOT AMOHOSTOS
THE ONLY ONE PLACE THAT U CALL ABT CORRECT IS LEFKOSIA- LEFKOSA
KIRENIA U CALL GIRNE WHOW YOU RENAME CITIES PLACES AND FOR WHAT REASON?

[cyprusgeoff]

Caps lock on

[YFred]

Caps lock on

You are not the first and will not be the last one either!

[denizaksulu]

SO WHAT GOES EASILLY IN TURKISH MOUTH YOU CALL IT US THE GREEKS BUT IF
FAMAGUSTA IS DIFICULTE WORD TO TURKS
YOU CALL IT MAGOSA AND NOT AMOHOSTOS
THE ONLY ONE PLACE THAT U CALL ABT CORRECT IS LEFKOSIA- LEFKOSA
KIRENIA U CALL GIRNE WHOW YOU RENAME CITIES PLACES AND FOR WHAT REASON?

In some instances they sought similar sounding Turkish names as mentioned above

Dikmen = Dikomo

Dikomo, Trikomo, KomiKebir are truly Cypriot names btw.

Most of others were picked up from the air.

My village was Akklisidhes/Ekklisides/Anglisidhes/Anglisiya, how they gave it a Turkish name of AKSU is anybodies guess.

AKSU means, white/clean water/ fast running water. We never had any water (then).

AKSU was an ancient Turkic City state, now a tiny town in Chinese Turkistan/Xinqiang.


Dont look for logic, except for Kophinou which became 'GecitKale'. I am sure with your expertise in Turkish, you know the meaning.

[MrH]

Oracle Said:

The native language, which nearly 90% of the population already speak, is Greek. So, only this needs to be the Official language.

Of course, English will be the working language in most scenarios. Other necessary codes can be taught at schools, spoken as main languages at home, socially, wherever, etc.

Pleased to finally see acceptance that Turkish, as an Official language, is redundant, outdated and divisive; therefore, an unwelcome influence in the future.

WRONG!

You mean, the "Native" language of the GC Administered ROC is "90% Greek", while the Native language of "Northern Cyprus" is 98% Turkish! It is currently, practically a seperate country regardless of how the EU have accepted the application of the GC Administered ROC. The EU do have a habit of changing their tune when it suites them, as can be seen with Kosovo, the former Yugoslavia, Montenegro, Serbia, Germany, Spain and particularly concerning the UK; do not forget how many times France originally rejected Britain's application for EU entry in its time. Also, do not forget how the EU Constitution is still not actually complete - Lisbon Treaty for instance.

Also, your answer clearly proves how we would never be able to live under a truly so-called false, mythical "Cypriot" society, as if we were Ancient Egyptians for instance, as many of us are NOT willing to learn GREEK.

Why? Well, why should we. I would rather learn how to speak French or German. There are more Germans in Europe, the language is better used, professionally and there are only 10 million or so Greeks in the EU, clearly not a substantial amount compared to the 10million or so Germans whom reside in Berlin, or the 8 million French speaking people in Paris. Although I can speak Greek, only because I had no choice in a nationalist, backward Famagusta many moons ago, there's no way the TCs of today would bother with the Greek language as it's not really widely used, not much of a spoken language in the EU - know what I mean? Also, if the Cyprus problem is solved and Turkey one day becomes a member of the EU, I believe it would be better to say that it'll be the Greek Cypriots wanting to actually learn to speak Turkish - wouldn't you - Ms Oracle Brainwash?

You seriously need to wake up my dear!

[YFred]

Oracle Said:

The native language, which nearly 90% of the population already speak, is Greek. So, only this needs to be the Official language.

Of course, English will be the working language in most scenarios. Other necessary codes can be taught at schools, spoken as main languages at home, socially, wherever, etc.

Pleased to finally see acceptance that Turkish, as an Official language, is redundant, outdated and divisive; therefore, an unwelcome influence in the future.

WRONG!

You mean, the "Native" language of the GC Administered ROC is "90% Greek", while the Native language of "Northern Cyprus" is 98% Turkish! It is currently, practically a seperate country regardless of how the EU have accepted the application of the GC Administered ROC. The EU do have a habit of changing their tune when it suites them, as can be seen with Kosovo, the former Yugoslavia, Montenegro, Serbia, Germany, Spain and particularly concerning the UK; do not forget how many times France originally rejected Britain's application for EU entry in its time. Also, do not forget how the EU Constitution is still not actually complete, or complete - Lisbon Treaty for instance.

Also, your answer clearly proves how we would never be able to live under a truly so-called false, mythical "Cypriot" society, as if we were Ancient Egyptians for instance, as many of us are NOT willing to learn GREEK.

Why? Well, why should we. I would rather learn how to speak French or German. There are more Germans in Europe, the language is better used, professionally and there are only 10 million or so Greeks in the EU, clearly not a substantial amount compared to the 10million or so Germans whom reside in Berlin, or the 8 million French speaking people in Paris. Although I can speak Greek, only because I had no choice in a nationalist, backward Famagusta many moons ago, there's no way the TCs of today would bother with the Greek, not much spoken language of the EU - know what I mean. Also, if the Cyprus problem is solved and Turkey one day becomes a member of the EU, I believe it would be better to say that it'll be the Greek Cypriots wanting to actually learn to speak Turkish - wouldn't you - Ms Oracle Brainwash?

You seriously need to wake up my dear!

She just needs to be reminded every so often how many people actually live in the north, she is very forgetful and all that.