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[Get Real!]

Sorry for the pessimistic assessment, but as far as maritime defense and air cover go, the only hope for Cyprus is the Hellenic navy and air force, respectively.

Forget those fucking mythological poofters! They’ll be lucky to hang on to their rocks in the Aegean!

[Get Real!]

GR and his mercenaries will protect us!!

You wanna spend your next 20,000 posts with games and one-liners? Go ahead...

[denizaksulu]

Cyprus protests air traffic violations by Turkey

June 17, 2009 - by Apostolis Zoupaniotis, UN for CNA

Cyprus’ Permanent Representative to the UN, Minas A. Hadjimichael, in a letter to the UN Secretary General, protested new violations of the international air traffic regulations and the national airspace of the Republic of Cyprus by military aircraft of the Turkish Air Force recorded from 1st April until 28 May 2009.

In a letter, which is dated 5 June 2009 and was circulated on Tuesday as a document of the General Assembly and of the Security Council, Hadjimichael strongly protested the violations by Turkey and called for their immediate cessation.

He said “Turkey’s policy of non-observance of rules and regulations governing international aviation continues to gravely jeopardize flight safety and perpetuate insecurity and apprehension on the island”.

Furthermore, he added, “Turkey’s persistent provocations, aimed at consolidating the de facto division of Cyprus and further strengthening the illegal secessionist entity in the occupied areas, seriously undermine all efforts towards reunification and reconciliation''.

Such policies and actions, he noted in the letter, ''provide ample demonstration of the irresponsible behaviour of a country that now serves as a non-permanent member of the Security Council of the United Nations”.

Hadjimichael said it was ''encouraging to see that in the recent report of the Secretary-General on the United Nations Operations in Cyprus (S/2009/248), there was a reference to some of the aforementioned violations by Turkey''.

''The Government of Turkey should heed the call of the international community, abide by the Charter of the United Nations and respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of the Republic of Cyprus, thus contributing to the creation of the required conditions for the achievement of a just and viable solution to the Cyprus problem'', the Cypriot diplomat noted.

Source: financialmirror.com

All these do is to add to the statistics showing that NO ONE will do anything about Turkey. Stop and ask yourself why ?

[denizaksulu]

GR and his mercenaries will protect us!!

You wanna spend your next 20,000 posts with games and one-liners? Go ahead...

Stupid hypothetical statements deserve my comments.

[EPSILON]

Sorry for the pessimistic assessment, but as far as maritime defense and air cover go, the only hope for Cyprus is the Hellenic navy and air force, respectively.

Forget those fucking mythological poofters! They’ll be lucky to hang on to their rocks in the Aegean!

Ok - we are preparing a list of these we do not have to save.

1.GR
2.Milti

anybody else? This make our target easier-less people to be saved
They will not allowed to a Greek orfans asylum either

[Get Real!]

GR and his mercenaries will protect us!!

You wanna spend your next 20,000 posts with games and one-liners? Go ahead...

Stupid hypothetical statements deserve my comments.

Ha! You seemingly don't realise what's at stake...

[james_mav]

The only realistic and cost effective maritime defense deployable against a greenwater navy by Cyprus would be mobile, land-based anti-ship missiles.

We already have the Exoset MM40 for that, but all the Turkish fleet has to do is drop anchor out of range rendering them useless, that’s why attack choppers that can travel at 360Km p/h, use sophisticated radar and armed with anti-ship missiles, are the way to go!

The missile armed helicopters are a possibility, but they're not as effective as you would think.

Firstly, they're not all that survivable against anti-aircraft defences - mongolistan warships would have high altitude high-speed air cover (think F-16s with medium range air-air missiles), as well as their own anti-aircraft defences.

Secondly, because they're low-flying and with low power radars, it will be hard for them to even find enemy warships. The usual airborne maritime patrol is something like a P-3 Orion, which is able to operate from high altitude with a massive, long range radar and longer range harpoon missiles. Cypriot exocet-armed helicopters would be effective against unarmed or lightly armed boats (e.g. landing craft) but not against more modern warships.

[Icarus]

All the RoC requires is a few Gun Boats, or Fast Attack Craft.

We’ve already got small patrol gun boats but they’re not good enough against the Turkish navy on their own. If it comes to a confrontation our best bet is to use our squadron of Mi-35Ps loaded with Exocet AM39s.

Yes, I think I've seen these boats moored at a base near a village on the south coast, a village with some excellent fish restaurants. I had something a little more substantial in mind.

Whatever is needed in this area must be done. To do nothing sends the wrong messages and is negligent.

In fact to do something is reckless and negligent. There will not be a shooting war over this; to needlessly squander billions of euros on warships that are not necessary would be insane.

I do not think it would cost billions of euros for a couple of second hand boats of suitable size as ... A Deterent.

It certainly would cost that much for boats that would any hope against the mongolistan navy.

Although the mongolistan navy is only of intermediate quality, in order to survive in particular against mongolistan submarines and aircraft, a greenwater Cypriot navy would need very expensive and sophisticated anti-aircraft and anti-submarine warfare systems, including long range tracking radars, high end sonar, long-range surface to air missiles capable of engaging high performance F-16s, heavyweight torpedoes capable of engaging deep diving submarines, probably an ASW helicopter platform, and a credible anti-ship armament. The lack of air cover is a major concern; it is very hard for surface warships to defend themselves against high performance aircraft at close quarters.

And don't forget the time it would take to acquire the boats and train up crews. Fantasyland I'm afraid.

The only realistic and cost effective maritime defense deployable against a greenwater navy by Cyprus would be mobile, land-based anti-ship missiles. These are basically tracked vehicles (i.e. the base of a tank) that carry either a search radar, missile launchers, or spare missiles. You spread them out along the coastlines you control, and keep moving them around (especially the radars) to prevent your enemy locating and destroying them. Someone also mentioned exocet-armed helicopters. This is possible, but again the lack of a credible defense against high performance F-16s means that helicopters in an anti-shipping role are not likely to survive long, so you will need quite a few of them, and be prepared to lose some.

Sorry for the pessimistic assessment, but as far as maritime defense and air cover go, the only hope for Cyprus is the Hellenic navy and air force, respectively.

All Cyprus needs is a few cheap Fast Attack Craft with SSM.

This is the only feasible scenario, and the missiles are able to strike from over 150kms away.

La-Combattante Class FAC are very cheap and easily manned.

Cyprus does not need anything else. The only thing required is an adequate deterrence and to effectively patrol the EEZ and offer escorts to exploration and drilling vessels.

An FAC is extremely effective against much larger Turkish Navy destroyers and they can be equipped with Air Defence as well.

Since we only want to patrol the EEZ, we do not require ASW.

[denizaksulu]

GR and his mercenaries will protect us!!

You wanna spend your next 20,000 posts with games and one-liners? Go ahead...

Stupid hypothetical statements deserve my comments.

Ha! You seemingly don't realise what's at stake...

You live by the sword you SHALL die by the sword.

Think of rose gardens and pricks instead.........you can bleed to death.(GF)

[Get Real!]

The only realistic and cost effective maritime defense deployable against a greenwater navy by Cyprus would be mobile, land-based anti-ship missiles.

We already have the Exoset MM40 for that, but all the Turkish fleet has to do is drop anchor out of range rendering them useless, that’s why attack choppers that can travel at 360Km p/h, use sophisticated radar and armed with anti-ship missiles, are the way to go!

The missile armed helicopters are a possibility, but they're not as effective as you would think.

Firstly, they're not all that survivable against anti-aircraft defences - mongolistan warships would have high altitude high-speed air cover (think F-16s with medium range air-air missiles), as well as their own anti-aircraft defences.

Secondly, because they're low-flying and with low power radars, it will be hard for them to even find enemy warships. The usual airborne maritime patrol is something like a P-3 Orion, which is able to operate from high altitude with a massive, long range radar and longer range harpoon missiles. Cypriot exocet-armed helicopters would be effective against unarmed or lightly armed boats (e.g. landing craft) but not against more modern warships.

The Russian Hinds can travel and fire just off the surface of the water! No radar probs!