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[james_mav]

I guess someone has forgotten to mention that with rights and entitlements come responsibilities. Let's take for example the responsibility to prevent the illegal looting and expropriation of the property of the Orthodox Church of Cyprus, or of the immovable property left behind by those ethnically cleansed from the occupied north.

One clear mark of immaturity is insistence on one's rights with a complete unwillingness to honour one's responsibilities. Cyprus' muslim minority will need to drastically mature as a society if they expect to share in the benefits of being citizens of the Republic of Cyprus; they will have to learn to shoulder their responsibilities at the same time as reaping the benefits of EU membership and RoC citizenship. They have been living the other alternative: a desperate, tenuous grip on land, protected by foreign guns, lacking any kind of legitimacy or recognition, and falling further behind the rest of the RoC and the EU.

[Kikapu]

The TCs have this right as citizens of the Republic of Cyprus which is an EU member.

For a TC to enjoy his EU rights the only thing he has to do is to accept that Republic of Cyprus is the one and only state in Cyprus and him a citizen of this Republic, and get a Republic of Cyprus ID. All TCs are free to do so.

And be ruled by GCs.

Only if the TC's refuse to participate in a unified Cyprus, because at the present moment, the TC's are "ruled" by the GC's how ever indirectly it may be, because the north is in a "lockdown" economically, politically and legally.!

Please carify with examples.

You are kidding, right.?

a) Isn't the north economically unable to survive at the present moment if it wasn't for the hand out given by Turkey and the sale of GC properties illegally to others.? Take those two main "breadwinners" away and what have you got left to brag about. I hope you are not going to say Casinos and Whorehouses.!

b) Isn't the north politically unable to gain any recognition, direct trade, direct flights, participate in any recognised sport events and so on that if the RoC said yes to allow the above to happen, it would happen right away, therefore, the south has control over the north politically.!

c) Isn't the north an illegal entity which has no legal status in the world. The RoC can turn that around on a dime if it wanted since you are unable to yourself, because the whole Cyprus territory including the "trnc" are all part of the RoC territory. Legally, the RoC controls the "trnc", hence the reason why the north cannot achieve a recognition as tried for the last 35 years. The RoC has the legality on it's side over the whole territory of Cyprus, whereas the "trnc" has ZERO legality anywhere in Cyprus, or in 99.5% of the countries in the world, but only the TC's have legality as RoC citizens, recognised by the 99.5 % of all countries in the world.!

These are just some of my observation on the examples you have asked for, but I think you get the picture. Please correct me if I have gotten any of the above wrong!

[Viewpoint]

The TCs have this right as citizens of the Republic of Cyprus which is an EU member.

For a TC to enjoy his EU rights the only thing he has to do is to accept that Republic of Cyprus is the one and only state in Cyprus and him a citizen of this Republic, and get a Republic of Cyprus ID. All TCs are free to do so.

And be ruled by GCs.

Only if the TC's refuse to participate in a unified Cyprus, because at the present moment, the TC's are "ruled" by the GC's how ever indirectly it may be, because the north is in a "lockdown" economically, politically and legally.!

Please carify with examples.

You are kidding, right.?

a) Isn't the north economically unable to survive at the present moment if it wasn't for the hand out given by Turkey and the sale of GC properties illegally to others.? Take those two main "breadwinners" away and what have you got left to brag about. I hope you are not going to say Casinos and Whorehouses.!

b) Isn't the north politically unable to gain any recognition, direct trade, direct flights, participate in any recognised sport events and so on that if the RoC said yes to allow the above to happen, it would happen right away, therefore, the south has control over the north politically.!

c) Isn't the north an illegal entity which has no legal status in the world. The RoC can turn that around on a dime if it wanted since you are unable to yourself, because the whole Cyprus territory including the "trnc" are all part of the RoC territory. Legally, the RoC controls the "trnc", hence the reason why the north cannot achieve a recognition as tried for the last 35 years. The RoC has the legality on it's side over the whole territory of Cyprus, whereas the "trnc" has ZERO legality anywhere in Cyprus, or in 99.5% of the countries in the world, but only the TC's have legality as RoC citizens, recognised by the 99.5 % of all countries in the world.!

These are just some of my observation on the examples you have asked for, but I think you get the picture. Please correct me if I have gotten any of the above wrong!

Totally wrong yet again...the "RoC" has no say in the TRNC, the lifting of isolation is just a bonus which without we have been able to survive sine 1963 and having lived in London we have a pretty good life style but of course you are unable to see this has you have not been to the TRNC. Your tactic is to try and make us feel that we need the GC south, well one example of credit card expenditure alone the TCs spent 19 million Euros in the south and the GC only 6 million in the TRNC, rack those numbers with population and you will soon understand who is helping who.

[Kikapu]

The TCs have this right as citizens of the Republic of Cyprus which is an EU member.

For a TC to enjoy his EU rights the only thing he has to do is to accept that Republic of Cyprus is the one and only state in Cyprus and him a citizen of this Republic, and get a Republic of Cyprus ID. All TCs are free to do so.

And be ruled by GCs.

Only if the TC's refuse to participate in a unified Cyprus, because at the present moment, the TC's are "ruled" by the GC's how ever indirectly it may be, because the north is in a "lockdown" economically, politically and legally.!

Please carify with examples.

You are kidding, right.?

a) Isn't the north economically unable to survive at the present moment if it wasn't for the hand out given by Turkey and the sale of GC properties illegally to others.? Take those two main "breadwinners" away and what have you got left to brag about. I hope you are not going to say Casinos and Whorehouses.!

b) Isn't the north politically unable to gain any recognition, direct trade, direct flights, participate in any recognised sport events and so on that if the RoC said yes to allow the above to happen, it would happen right away, therefore, the south has control over the north politically.!

c) Isn't the north an illegal entity which has no legal status in the world. The RoC can turn that around on a dime if it wanted since you are unable to yourself, because the whole Cyprus territory including the "trnc" are all part of the RoC territory. Legally, the RoC controls the "trnc", hence the reason why the north cannot achieve a recognition as tried for the last 35 years. The RoC has the legality on it's side over the whole territory of Cyprus, whereas the "trnc" has ZERO legality anywhere in Cyprus, or in 99.5% of the countries in the world, but only the TC's have legality as RoC citizens, recognised by the 99.5 % of all countries in the world.!

These are just some of my observation on the examples you have asked for, but I think you get the picture. Please correct me if I have gotten any of the above wrong!

Totally wrong yet again...the "RoC" has no say in the TRNC, the lifting of isolation is just a bonus which without we have been able to survive sine 1963 and having lived in London we have a pretty good life style but of course you are unable to see this has you have not been to the TRNC.

I don't want to hear anything from you that is not related to the above post. Now, VP, you had asked for examples and I gave you just a few from many where the RoC has control over the north, be it be directly or indirectly is not the issue. Now, give me answers on what I've said and show me line by line where I'm wrong. Don't give me irrelevant material......please.!

Your tactic is to try and make us feel that we need the GC south, well one example of credit card expenditure alone the TCs spent 19 million Euros in the south and the GC only 6 million in the TRNC, rack those numbers with population and you will soon understand who is helping who.

I have no tactics, just stating the obvious that you seem to ignore. Your above post all but proves that you need the RoC more than they need you, since it is those in the north who mainly go to the south to make purchases they cannot get in the north, hence spending more money in the south than vice versa , and why is that, it's because the RoC has control over the north when it comes to international commerce amongst everything else that I already stated some of them earlier. Remember that 249 million Euros that the EU had it earmarked for the north that Papadopoulos kept it away from the north for the longest time until Christofias allowed it to be spent before the terms on the money expired that would have been returned back to the EU unspent. Was that not control over the north, that even the EU could not do anything about without the RoC’s approval. Face facts man and stop denying everything. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but it is what it is, that's all. Now, I had asked you not to mention the Casinos and the Whorehouses as being the north’s industries to brag about, but you did anyway, indirectly, because that's probably where the GC's are spending their money on, gambling and hookers, and not too much at that.!

[YFred]

The TCs have this right as citizens of the Republic of Cyprus which is an EU member.

For a TC to enjoy his EU rights the only thing he has to do is to accept that Republic of Cyprus is the one and only state in Cyprus and him a citizen of this Republic, and get a Republic of Cyprus ID. All TCs are free to do so.

And be ruled by GCs.

Only if the TC's refuse to participate in a unified Cyprus, because at the present moment, the TC's are "ruled" by the GC's how ever indirectly it may be, because the north is in a "lockdown" economically, politically and legally.!

Please carify with examples.

You are kidding, right.?

a) Isn't the north economically unable to survive at the present moment if it wasn't for the hand out given by Turkey and the sale of GC properties illegally to others.? Take those two main "breadwinners" away and what have you got left to brag about. I hope you are not going to say Casinos and Whorehouses.!

b) Isn't the north politically unable to gain any recognition, direct trade, direct flights, participate in any recognised sport events and so on that if the RoC said yes to allow the above to happen, it would happen right away, therefore, the south has control over the north politically.!

c) Isn't the north an illegal entity which has no legal status in the world. The RoC can turn that around on a dime if it wanted since you are unable to yourself, because the whole Cyprus territory including the "trnc" are all part of the RoC territory. Legally, the RoC controls the "trnc", hence the reason why the north cannot achieve a recognition as tried for the last 35 years. The RoC has the legality on it's side over the whole territory of Cyprus, whereas the "trnc" has ZERO legality anywhere in Cyprus, or in 99.5% of the countries in the world, but only the TC's have legality as RoC citizens, recognised by the 99.5 % of all countries in the world.!

These are just some of my observation on the examples you have asked for, but I think you get the picture. Please correct me if I have gotten any of the above wrong!

Totally wrong yet again...the "RoC" has no say in the TRNC, the lifting of isolation is just a bonus which without we have been able to survive sine 1963 and having lived in London we have a pretty good life style but of course you are unable to see this has you have not been to the TRNC.

I don't want to hear anything from you that is not related to the above post. Now, VP, you had asked for examples and I gave you just a few from many where the RoC has control over the north, be it be directly or indirectly is not the issue. Now, give me answers on what I've said and show me line by line where I'm wrong. Don't give me irrelevant material......please.!

Your tactic is to try and make us feel that we need the GC south, well one example of credit card expenditure alone the TCs spent 19 million Euros in the south and the GC only 6 million in the TRNC, rack those numbers with population and you will soon understand who is helping who.

I have no tactics, just stating the obvious that you seem to ignore. Your above post all but proves that you need the RoC more than they need you, since it is those in the north who mainly go to the south to make purchases they cannot get in the north, hence spending more money in the south than vice versa , and why is that, it's because the RoC has control over the north when it comes to international commerce amongst everything else that I already stated some of them earlier. Remember that 249 million Euros that the EU had it earmarked for the north that Papadopoulos kept it away from the north for the longest time until Christofias allowed it to be spent before the terms on the money expired that would have been returned back to the EU unspent. Was that not control over the north, that even the EU could not do anything about without the RoC’s approval. Face facts man and stop denying everything. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but it is what it is, that's all. Now, I had asked you not to mention the Casinos and the Whorehouses as being the north’s industries to brag about, but you did anyway, indirectly, because that's probably where the GC's are spending their money on, gambling and hookers, and not too much at that.!

Now you've done it VP. You upset the teacher, go and stand by the wall facing it on one leg for 1 hour before you can do any more posts.

[humanist]

Piratis I really like the way you put things plainly and succinctly even a Cyprus donkey can get it

[YFred]

Piratis I really like the way you put things plainly and succinctly even a Cyprus donkey can get it

Just as well then!

[Nikitas]

"But, he also noted that a future solution should also be based on the founding principles of the EU. "

This is the key phrase and the question begged to be answered is do the TCs accept this principle? A YES to this question autmatically leads to a solution.

Next question, do the TCs accept EU obligations? The answer so far is NO, and so the EU legal order does not apply to the north. Funny that Verheugen is not quoted on this point. Selective quotation is old fashioned Stalininst style journalism not at all European.

[boomerang]

the real question here is, have the tcs paid any money to become europeans or are they happy to piggy back on the state they do not recognise to become europeans...kinda makes a mockery of themselves...

[YFred]

the real question here is, have the tcs paid any money to become europeans or are they happy to piggy back on the state they do not recognise to become europeans...kinda makes a mockery of themselves...

Did you mean Piggy Poke?
GS