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[Kikapu]

Kikapu

No, I don't want to shut you up, just give us a direct answer and not irrelevant stuff.!

They are crystal clear but only not what you want so that why you have difficulties comprehending that you can also be wrong and other posters opinions can be right.

Well, I gave you a perfect example of a BBF Plan relating to the States mostly, and you rejected it, so how come.? That plan also allowed the state to be run by ALL those who would live in that state.

You know full well the dangers you wish to lead us into with your plan so please dont ask TCs to take you seriously, when you state "perfect" plan perfect for whom? the GCs.

By agreeing to a BBF by Denktash and Makarios, it gives the opportunity for the 1960 constitution to be opened up and to have any parts either side do not want, to be discarded, which brings us to the difficulties in today's negotiations. You cannot have a BBF and still maintain the old constitution intact, so needless to say, don't expect everything that was given to the TC's in 1960 to be there in the next constitution. You get something, you lose something, which will be the same for everyone.!

I agree things from the 1960 agreements can be disregarded but new elements can also be intorduced.

They are crystal clear but only not what you want so that why you have difficulties comprehending that you can also be wrong and other posters opinions can be right.

No, VP, very often you do not answer others post honestly, because either you don't know the answers, or that you want to try and hide it from us, as if we don't know the truth in the first place. You have a bad habit of telling half truths to full blown lies. You are constantly propagandising, which gives you away as someone not to be taken too seriously. The examples I gave previously in what Piratis stated and what you wrote was as relevant as a flea on an elephants butt. Either answer the statements truthfully to the best of your knowledge or just say you don't know, but stop always in propagandising everything, or else you cannot be trusted with your answers. You already have a bad mark against you by being a NeoPartitionist, so don't make it worse with irrelevant answers.............please.!

You know full well the dangers you wish to lead us into with your plan so please dont ask TCs to take you seriously, when you state "perfect" plan perfect for whom? the GCs.

The above is a classic VP propaganda. I said to you, that I had given you a perfect example with my BBF plan to answer your question earlier, but your comeback was, that I said it was a "perfect plan". No, that's not what I said, even though, it is a perfect plan which is a plan that covers Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, and EU principles which you will need to abide by and not the garbage Annan Plan had. If it was a perfect plan for the GC's, then how come only ONE person supported it. Obviously it is not to their liking. is it.?.

I agree things from the 1960 agreements can be disregarded but new elements can also be intorduced.

Which "new elements" do you see being introduced.? Any thoughts.?

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

No, VP, very often you do not answer others post honestly, because either you don't know the answers, or that you want to try and hide it from us, as if we don't know the truth in the first place. You have a bad habit of telling half truths to full blown lies. You are constantly propagandising, which gives you away as someone not to be taken too seriously. The examples I gave previously in what Piratis stated and what you wrote was as relevant as a flea on an elephants butt. Either answer the statements truthfully to the best of your knowledge or just say you don't know, but stop always in propagandising everything, or else you cannot be trusted with your answers. You already have a bad mark against you by being a NeoPartitionist, so don't make it worse with irrelevant answers.............please.!

This is your opinion and one we do not have to accept, your "honesty" in trying to sell us a death trap is clear for all to see..your one sided views are clear and precise for all to see....your constant attacking and ridiculing of anything put forward by TCs to address their concerns is clear for all to see...the dangers in wish to push TCs is clear for all to see....Your judge jury and excutioner attitiude is wearing thin which makes people question your real motives in supporting GCs 100% and their demand for our capitulation.

The above is a classic VP propaganda. I said to you, that I had given you a perfect example with my BBF plan to answer your question earlier, but your comeback was, that I said it was a "perfect plan". No, that's not what I said, even though, it is a perfect plan which is a plan that covers Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, and EU principles which you will need to abide by and not the garbage Annan Plan had. If it was a perfect plan for the GC's, then how come only ONE person supported it. Obviously it is not to their liking. is it.?.

No you have it totally wrong the GCs did not even take your plan seriously as to read and evaluate it. The p't falls are clear for all TCs to see and the GCs know we would not take the bait towards surrendering to GCs in this disguised plan to give them total control over the whole island reducing us to minority status with no community rights.

Which "new elements" do you see being introduced.? Any thoughts.?

BBF
Equal and guaranteed represenation in the upper house
Sensative issues written into the constitution
Security guarantees restricted to states.....come to mind.

[Oracle]

I would say, not only has VP not made any progress ... but his I.Q. has dropped so dramatically, that he is now indistinguishable from those braying donkeys ... with a saddle .... on backwards!

[humanist]

Definetely not ...... after three years I still cannot get a TC to tell me what safeguards they want. Naming them clearly would assist me understand what they are asking.

[YFred]

Definetely not ...... after three years I still cannot get a TC to tell me what safeguards they want. Naming them clearly would assist me understand what they are asking.

I'll be the first TC then to tell you. They want the same safeguards as the 60 agreement but not in enclaves. All TCs in one place so they can defend themselves from your heroes.

Is it too much to ask?

[Kikapu]

No, VP, very often you do not answer others post honestly, because either you don't know the answers, or that you want to try and hide it from us, as if we don't know the truth in the first place. You have a bad habit of telling half truths to full blown lies. You are constantly propagandising, which gives you away as someone not to be taken too seriously. The examples I gave previously in what Piratis stated and what you wrote was as relevant as a flea on an elephants butt. Either answer the statements truthfully to the best of your knowledge or just say you don't know, but stop always in propagandising everything, or else you cannot be trusted with your answers. You already have a bad mark against you by being a NeoPartitionist, so don't make it worse with irrelevant answers.............please.!

This is your opinion and one we do not have to accept, your "honesty" in trying to sell us a death trap is clear for all to see..your one sided views are clear and precise for all to see....your constant attacking and ridiculing of anything put forward by TCs to address their concerns is clear for all to see...the dangers in wish to push TCs is clear for all to see....Your judge jury and excutioner attitiude is wearing thin which makes people question your real motives in supporting GCs 100% and their demand for our capitulation.

More Hogwash from, VP.!

The above is a classic VP propaganda. I said to you, that I had given you a perfect example with my BBF plan to answer your question earlier, but your comeback was, that I said it was a "perfect plan". No, that's not what I said, even though, it is a perfect plan which is a plan that covers Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, and EU principles which you will need to abide by and not the garbage Annan Plan had. If it was a perfect plan for the GC's, then how come only ONE person supported it. Obviously it is not to their liking. is it.?.

No you have it totally wrong the GCs did not even take your plan seriously as to read and evaluate it. The p't falls are clear for all TCs to see and the GCs know we would not take the bait towards surrendering to GCs in this disguised plan to give them total control over the whole island reducing us to minority status with no community rights.

More Hogwash from, VP.!

The fact that Talat is thinking in allowing 70,000 GC's to reside in the north so that the north state will have more land, will put the true TC population at par with the GC's. Talk about giving the GC's a big head start in the north to capture 50% of all the political seat and official offices in no time, and you are complaining about my plan.

I think Christofias has slipped that one pass Talat while Talat was not looking, by offering him more land for more GC's in the north, when it would have been better for Talat to return more land for less GC refugees, so that they can be part of the south state as I stated in my plan. All I can say to you now is, ......good luck for the long term if this is the actual numbers. Allowing for the freedom of movement, and you do not have a choice in the matter because the EU will not give you a permanent derogations on that, you will have a hard time maintaining a TC majority for too long.!

Which "new elements" do you see being introduced.? Any thoughts.?

BBF

BBF.! What exactly.?

Equal and guaranteed represenation in the upper house

Only guaranteed equal seats in the upper house per state and not per community, or else it will not be a Democracy and it will be turned down by the majority and the EU.

Sensative issues written into the constitution

What are they.?

Security guarantees restricted to states.....

By whom exactly are you talking about. There can be no foreign guarantee on a state when that job belongs to the Federal Government and the Federal Constitution. Mexico cannot guarantee security for California, because it is only a Federal state in the Union and not a separate country. The same will be in Cyprus.

[Sotos]

i think it is small minded to expect that people do not change. only 40 years ago "niggers" swung from trees. the same malice existed anywhere in the occidental world, yet today this is unthinkable, and America has a black President...

Cyprus is an island. it is neither "Greek" or "Turkish". as this island's dwellers, we are Cypriots. And as Humans we cannot identify ourselves as anything else if as people we wish to demonstrate our commitment to the Principals which improve this condition.

repulse I personally do not think for one minute GCs have changed the packaging maybe different but the inside is still the same, their sole aim is a GC state with TCs as a minority...we will never accept this in a million years.

VP come on! you can't paint all GCs with the same brush, there are some very decent ones amongst them. The question is what percentage? And that will be obvious after the next vote.

I think Oracle Piratis Sotos Kikapu and Kifeas represent the majority of GCs, so we do not stand a chance in hell.

You got it right! We are the majority and you are a small minority. Cyprus will be liberated and will become democratic. Nothing else is acceptable.

[Sotos]

Definetely not ...... after three years I still cannot get a TC to tell me what safeguards they want. Naming them clearly would assist me understand what they are asking.

I'll be the first TC then to tell you. They want the same safeguards as the 60 agreement but not in enclaves. All TCs in one place so they can defend themselves from your heroes.

Is it too much to ask?

You got it wrong freddy. You are the ones who attacked us and we are the ones who had to defend ourselves from you. If you had not attacked us then there would be no Turks in Cyprus and no problems. What makes the problem is your constant invasions and the Settlers you bring to our island after each invasion.

[YFred]

i think it is small minded to expect that people do not change. only 40 years ago "niggers" swung from trees. the same malice existed anywhere in the occidental world, yet today this is unthinkable, and America has a black President...

Cyprus is an island. it is neither "Greek" or "Turkish". as this island's dwellers, we are Cypriots. And as Humans we cannot identify ourselves as anything else if as people we wish to demonstrate our commitment to the Principals which improve this condition.

repulse I personally do not think for one minute GCs have changed the packaging maybe different but the inside is still the same, their sole aim is a GC state with TCs as a minority...we will never accept this in a million years.

VP come on! you can't paint all GCs with the same brush, there are some very decent ones amongst them. The question is what percentage? And that will be obvious after the next vote.

I think Oracle Piratis Sotos Kikapu and Kifeas represent the majority of GCs, so we do not stand a chance in hell.

VP, I joined this forum believing that they are minority and I am of the same opinion now. They are over represented and very vocal on the forum. However when there was a vote last time, Akel did not support the plan. I believe that if Akel and Disy support the plan this time, it will be reversed. I wouldn't waste my time in great discussion on matters which are not related to the discussions taking place between the two leaders at the moment. Talat has got it right and is looking after the interests of TCs. Yes we will give to have a deal but I think most moderates on both sides will accept the plan that will come out this time. You just have to be patient and wait for the negotiations to finish and see the end result.

[Viewpoint]

No, VP, very often you do not answer others post honestly, because either you don't know the answers, or that you want to try and hide it from us, as if we don't know the truth in the first place. You have a bad habit of telling half truths to full blown lies. You are constantly propagandising, which gives you away as someone not to be taken too seriously. The examples I gave previously in what Piratis stated and what you wrote was as relevant as a flea on an elephants butt. Either answer the statements truthfully to the best of your knowledge or just say you don't know, but stop always in propagandising everything, or else you cannot be trusted with your answers. You already have a bad mark against you by being a NeoPartitionist, so don't make it worse with irrelevant answers.............please.!

This is your opinion and one we do not have to accept, your "honesty" in trying to sell us a death trap is clear for all to see..your one sided views are clear and precise for all to see....your constant attacking and ridiculing of anything put forward by TCs to address their concerns is clear for all to see...the dangers in wish to push TCs is clear for all to see....Your judge jury and excutioner attitiude is wearing thin which makes people question your real motives in supporting GCs 100% and their demand for our capitulation.

More Hogwash from, VP.!

The above is a classic VP propaganda. I said to you, that I had given you a perfect example with my BBF plan to answer your question earlier, but your comeback was, that I said it was a "perfect plan". No, that's not what I said, even though, it is a perfect plan which is a plan that covers Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, and EU principles which you will need to abide by and not the garbage Annan Plan had. If it was a perfect plan for the GC's, then how come only ONE person supported it. Obviously it is not to their liking. is it.?.

No you have it totally wrong the GCs did not even take your plan seriously as to read and evaluate it. The p't falls are clear for all TCs to see and the GCs know we would not take the bait towards surrendering to GCs in this disguised plan to give them total control over the whole island reducing us to minority status with no community rights.

More Hogwash from, VP.!

The fact that Talat is thinking in allowing 70,000 GC's to reside in the north so that the north state will have more land, will put the true TC population at par with the GC's. Talk about giving the GC's a big head start in the north to capture 50% of all the political seat and official offices in no time, and you are complaining about my plan.

I think Christofias has slipped that one pass Talat while Talat was not looking, by offering him more land for more GC's in the north, when it would have been better for Talat to return more land for less GC refugees, so that they can be part of the south state as I stated in my plan. All I can say to you now is, ......good luck for the long term if this is the actual numbers. Allowing for the freedom of movement, and you do not have a choice in the matter because the EU will not give you a permanent derogations on that, you will have a hard time maintaining a TC majority for too long.!

Which "new elements" do you see being introduced.? Any thoughts.?

BBF

BBF.! What exactly.?

Equal and guaranteed represenation in the upper house

Only guaranteed equal seats in the upper house per state and not per community, or else it will not be a Democracy and it will be turned down by the majority and the EU.

Sensative issues written into the constitution

What are they.?

Security guarantees restricted to states.....

By whom exactly are you talking about. There can be no foreign guarantee on a state when that job belongs to the Federal Government and the Federal Constitution. Mexico cannot guarantee security for California, because it is only a Federal state in the Union and not a separate country. The same will be in Cyprus.

Your responses are all Hogwash...