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Have we made any progress on the CF?

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Have we made any progress on the CF?

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NO
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Total votes : 25

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:17 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Piratis
Each Cypriot citizen has the same right to every corner of this island. You however want to ethnically cleanse every non Turkish Cypriot from a big part of Cyprus and create some Turkish state on land you illegally and criminally occupy.


Where have I claimed this? I support BBF with the right of everyone to move and settle in which ever state they wish.

What you ask is not just "security" and "a say", what you demand is for a large part of Cyprus to become Turkish by means of ethnic cleansing, and to gain Ottoman style privileges on the expense of every other Cypriot citizen, just because you are Muslim and you speak Turkish.


Rubbish, I wont even bother anwering this crap.

I am not the one who made you a minority in Cyprus, so if you have a problem with that complain to those Ottoman rulers who brought you to Cyprus.



A minority is only a minority when it is put at risk by the majority.

We have many other minorities in Cyprus and they don't have any problem. The same with every other multi-ethnic country. In no normal country are the citizens divided based on their language, religion or other racist criteria. We are not living in the time of the Ottomans, neither we are South African of Apartheid.


Belgium, Switzerland, USA, San Marino, ex Serbia Montenegro....go study.

The war is what you started with the invasion of Cyprus, and not what I desired. But I have no desire to surrender in the war you started against us, and this will never happen. So I tell you again and put it deep into your brain: Do not expect from us to accept a "solution" that involves our ethnic cleansing from any part of our homeland.


You brought the war upon yourselves, if you had of acted on behalf of all the people of Cyprus rather than selfishly trying to gift our country to Greece instead of building a united independent country. You are guilty.


Belgium, Switzerland, USA, San Marino, ex Serbia Montenegro....go study.


You don't have a clue what the hell it is that you are talking about by trying to compare these countries, (specially the USA :? :? ), with what Piratis is talking about.!
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:23 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Piratis
Each Cypriot citizen has the same right to every corner of this island. You however want to ethnically cleanse every non Turkish Cypriot from a big part of Cyprus and create some Turkish state on land you illegally and criminally occupy.


Where have I claimed this? I support BBF with the right of everyone to move and settle in which ever state they wish.

What you ask is not just "security" and "a say", what you demand is for a large part of Cyprus to become Turkish by means of ethnic cleansing, and to gain Ottoman style privileges on the expense of every other Cypriot citizen, just because you are Muslim and you speak Turkish.


Rubbish, I wont even bother anwering this crap.

I am not the one who made you a minority in Cyprus, so if you have a problem with that complain to those Ottoman rulers who brought you to Cyprus.



A minority is only a minority when it is put at risk by the majority.

We have many other minorities in Cyprus and they don't have any problem. The same with every other multi-ethnic country. In no normal country are the citizens divided based on their language, religion or other racist criteria. We are not living in the time of the Ottomans, neither we are South African of Apartheid.


Belgium, Switzerland, USA, San Marino, ex Serbia Montenegro....go study.

The war is what you started with the invasion of Cyprus, and not what I desired. But I have no desire to surrender in the war you started against us, and this will never happen. So I tell you again and put it deep into your brain: Do not expect from us to accept a "solution" that involves our ethnic cleansing from any part of our homeland.


You brought the war upon yourselves, if you had of acted on behalf of all the people of Cyprus rather than selfishly trying to gift our country to Greece instead of building a united independent country. You are guilty.


Belgium, Switzerland, USA, San Marino, ex Serbia Montenegro....go study.


You don't have a clue what the hell it is that you are talking about by trying to compare these countries, (specially the USA :? :? ), with what Piratis is talking about.!


Do they have states or cantons making up a Federation or Confederation, are these non democratic?
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Postby DT. » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:23 pm

One of the most touching moments I've ever see on this forum. :D
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Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:30 pm

Kikapu my dear, I'm reminded of the old saying (I think it's from The Bible) that no matter how wise the words, no matter how prophetic the message, no matter how full of brotherly love, hope and righteousness the lesson ...

A Prophet is Without Honour, in his Own Land.


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Postby YFred » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:47 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Kikapu my dear, I'm reminded of the old saying (I think it's from The Bible) that no matter how wise the words, no matter how prophetic the message, no matter how full of brotherly love, hope and righteousness the lesson ...

A Prophet is Without Honour, in his Own Land.


:D

Has Kiks converted then?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:52 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Kikapu my dear, I'm reminded of the old saying (I think it's from The Bible) that no matter how wise the words, no matter how prophetic the message, no matter how full of brotherly love, hope and righteousness the lesson ...

A Prophet is Without Honour, in his Own Land.

:shock: Sounds more like a conservative version of…“A hooker is without honour in her own turf”.

Was that from “Debbie does Dallas”? :?
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:18 am

Viewpoint wrote:Piratis
Each Cypriot citizen has the same right to every corner of this island. You however want to ethnically cleanse every non Turkish Cypriot from a big part of Cyprus and create some Turkish state on land you illegally and criminally occupy.


Where have I claimed this? I support BBF with the right of everyone to move and settle in which ever state they wish.


Really? How are you going to have a Turkish State when the majority of every part of the island is made up by Greek Cypriots? The only way to achieve this is to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots and to artificially and forcefully create a TC majority in some part of the island. Isn't this what you support?

What you ask is not just "security" and "a say", what you demand is for a large part of Cyprus to become Turkish by means of ethnic cleansing, and to gain Ottoman style privileges on the expense of every other Cypriot citizen, just because you are Muslim and you speak Turkish.


Rubbish, I wont even bother anwering this crap.


You can avoid answering but you can't hide the truth.

I am not the one who made you a minority in Cyprus, so if you have a problem with that complain to those Ottoman rulers who brought you to Cyprus.



A minority is only a minority when it is put at risk by the majority.


Says the "Viewpoint Dictionary"? :lol:

We have many other minorities in Cyprus and they don't have any problem. The same with every other multi-ethnic country. In no normal country are the citizens divided based on their language, religion or other racist criteria. We are not living in the time of the Ottomans, neither we are South African of Apartheid.


Belgium, Switzerland, USA, San Marino, ex Serbia Montenegro....go study.

You go study. In none of those countries there is any discrimination of citizens based on their ethnicity, religion or language. And in none of those countries there was an ethnic cleansing in order to create a state that is run by a specific ethnicity.

The war is what you started with the invasion of Cyprus, and not what I desired. But I have no desire to surrender in the war you started against us, and this will never happen. So I tell you again and put it deep into your brain: Do not expect from us to accept a "solution" that involves our ethnic cleansing from any part of our homeland.


You brought the war upon yourselves, if you had of acted on behalf of all the people of Cyprus rather than selfishly trying to gift our country to Greece instead of building a united independent country. You are guilty.


The Cypriot people democratically choose what they wanted for their own island. Who are guilty are those that until then (Turks/ British etc) occupied our island and incorporated it in their empires against the will of the Cypriot people. And the Turks did this again in 1974, something which you are guilty and you have been convicted by UN resolutions as well as ECHR and ECJ rulings.
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:37 pm

Piratis wrote:We have many other minorities in Cyprus and they don't have any problem. The same with every other multi-ethnic country. In no normal country are the citizens divided based on their language, religion or other racist criteria. We are not living in the time of the Ottomans, neither we are South African of Apartheid.

Viewpoint wrote:Belgium, Switzerland, USA, San Marino, ex Serbia Montenegro....go study.

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote: Belgium, Switzerland, USA, San Marino, ex Serbia Montenegro....go study.


You don't have a clue what the hell it is that you are talking about by trying to compare these countries, (specially the USA :? :? ), with what Piratis is talking about.!


Do they have states or cantons making up a Federation or Confederation, are these non democratic?



:lol: :lol: :lol:

What is this, VP.? Are we in the 1st grade school and you are teaching us our ABC's or Federations and Confederations.? :lol: :lol:

Just how the hell does your above answer to my statement put to you has any relevance to what Piratis was talking about, which you chose on your own free will to give him the answer that you did as in the above quotes. You do not need to shower us with your brilliance in stating the obvious as to what is the political status on these countries. Piratis never asked you to define these countries the way you did, and neither did I, so why do you feel like you need to put something out there just because you trapped yourself by trying to be too cleaver, and instead you gave an answer that has ZERO relevance to what Piratis was talking about. Now either answer the statement Piratis put to you or just kindly leave this subject alone without embarrassing yourself anymore tonight with unrelated answers.!

Sometimes the least you say, the better.! :idea: :idea: :idea:
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Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:51 pm

i have learned and grown because of you viewpoint; haven't you found that your thinking is more refined?

beside the job you've taken, with its dogma, progress is made simply because dialog did not exist before this Information Age new in comparison to our Problem. things will improve because at least we have this exchange.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:57 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:i have learned and grown because of you viewpoint; haven't you found that your thinking is more refined?

beside the job you've taken, with its dogma, progress is made simply because dialog did not exist before this Information Age new in comparison to our Problem. things will improve because at least we have this exchange.


repulse I have learned a great deal from this forum and it has reconfirmed time and time again my belief that the chasm between our two communities is just to wide to bridge and we will never unite, as there is no solution that both sides can or will commit to with the intention of making it work. Maybe this is the solution we deserve, what do you think?
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