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[YFred]

Everybody has made progress except VP ... whose sole aim was to sow discord.

I vote he gets chucked off the Island, along with his entourage of fascist, racist Turks ... and the rest of us can make merry!

Of all the people? you should be first in line for that.

[Kikapu]

Once everyone accepts, that a solution can only be based on True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, the rest of our problems are then just details. The problem is, some do not accept this concept for a unified Cyprus, but would rather have the opposite to these principles. What these people are refusing to see is, now that Cyprus is in the EU and this is the 21st century, there can be no other way but follow the above principles. The EU will not have it any other way which we are part of, even if some Cypriots are willing to forgo the above principles. Therefore, the choice has already been made for us since 2004, whether we want it or not, that a unified Cyprus can only have a True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. If you cannot trust these basic principles which is the cornerstone of the western society in which we live in, then how can you trust the opposite.? Before any other problems can be addressed, and there are many, first and foremost, the above basic principles need to be accepted by all if we are to move forward with any unification in Cyprus.

I have just came across this report on the "Cyprus Mail" which supports my above post.

"THE EUROPEAN Commission is prepared to accommodate a solution to the Cyprus problem as long as it’s based on the principles on which the EU was founded, said Commission Vice-President responsible for Enterprise and Industry Gunter Verheugen yesterday."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=46236

So, even Gunter Verheugen, the supporter of the Annan Plan is saying the above. Times have changed since 2004, and so must we.!

Stating the obvious is sooooo you Kikapu. Anyway, if it makes you feel good and gets you brownie points from your buddies then I guess that's job done for you. I know your agenda, so from me you get "nil points"

Here is a man who chooses to live in a Democratic, Human Rights and International laws observing country, UK, but then turns his nose up to it when it comes to Cyprus just so he does not have be living with too many GC's in his neighbourhood in the north.

So what exactly was your point with your above post anyway MR-from-NG.??

If that is a tough question for you to answer, then tell us if you have found your stolen pot yet from your house in the "trnc".?

Kikapu, you are a self absorbed, self indulgent attention seeking sad individual. My point is so simple, now you tell me who in their right fucking mind wouldn't want a solution based on democratic values, human rights and international laws? Why do you feel you owe it to us to fucking remind us of this?

You think you have values and high morals while the rest of us are just crooks and want nothing but the division of our island for personal gain. You need to get a grip on reality but this is not possible because you cant even travel to the north to see how your other half lives and what they really feel about their future. You just t sit in front of your PC and become judge, jury and executioner without knowing the full facts, and that pisses me off.

My pot is gone, stolen by some ratbag. Anyway, I'm sick of Cyprus and sick of the TRNC, if I get a good offer I'll sell up and never set foot on this cursed island ever again. Happy?

My point is so simple, now you tell me who in their right fucking mind wouldn't want a solution based on democratic values, human rights and international laws? Why do you feel you owe it to us to fucking remind us of this?

If you want the same thing as I do, what are we arguing about then. Welcome aboard my friend.!

You think you have values and high morals while the rest of us are just crooks and want nothing but the division of our island for personal gain. You need to get a grip on reality but this is not possible because you cant even travel to the north to see how your other half lives and what they really feel about their future. You just t sit in front of your PC and become judge, jury and executioner without knowing the full facts, and that pisses me off.

What I want for our people is to live in an honest society as a EU member citizens with equal rights in Cyprus. The only way this will happen, is by accepting the western values on Democracy and Human Rights, or else the "corrupted society" that they have been forced to live in at the present will only get worse for them. So yes MR-from-NG, I do have our peoples best interest at heart, and the only thing as an individual that I can offer them over what the Fascists offer them, is to sit behind my PC and tell them that they need to embrace Democracy, Human Rights and International law to better their future and lives.

My pot is gone, stolen by some ratbag. Anyway, I'm sick of Cyprus and sick of the TRNC, if I get a good offer I'll sell up and never set foot on this cursed island ever again. Happy?

Sorry to hear your displeasure with Cyprus and the loss of your pot. This is exactly what I'm talking about in what our people go through when their future is an uncertainty. You are only a part-time resident in the north, and yet you have had enough, but think of those who are trapped there MR-from-NG. Where is their future under the present situation. This experiment of partition has run it's course with many losers along the way, but it is unattainable for the long haul. Times have changed, and so must we all in Cyprus to all live as equal citizens, but this equality can only come when we all respect Democracy and Human Rights.! I'm sorry if this gets too repetitious for some, but that is the bottom line.

[Piratis]

Do you think we have made any progess in our debates to agreeing unification and living together?

What do you think that this shows?

That TCs and the rest of Cypriots are not compatible with each other? That TCs are very different kind of people and that they can not live together in peace with the rest of Cypriots, or agree with them in anything?

Lets say you are right, and the Turks that were brought to our island a few centuries ago were never really integrated with the native Cypriot population, that they remain totally different, so different that it is impossible to agree on anything and live together peacefully with the rest of the population of Cyprus. Then what?

What is the solution to this? Ethnic cleansing? If that is the "solution" you suggest, then be sure we will never accept an ethnic cleansing against us to be a "solution". We will fight this war for as long as it takes, until we will win it. And when (not if) we will win, if you still insist that you can not live with the rest of Cypriots, and you still insist that ethnic cleansing can be a "solution" then you will be send back to where you came from (or maybe you will change you mind about what is an acceptable solution when the tables are turned?)

If you think that partition and ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands of Cypriots from the land their ancestors have been inhabiting for 1000s of years can be a "solution" then obviously a much better "solution" is to instead ethnically cleanse the TCs who are much less and who do not have as deep roots in Cyprus as we do.

There is really no point in your efforts to prove that TCs can not agree or live together with the rest of Cypriots. If that is what you think then just stop discussing anything here. And if this is what your leaders think as well, then they should just stop negotiating. But erase from your mind the possibility that we will ever accept our ethnic cleansing to be a "solution".

Piratis do we have just as much right to this island as you? Once you get the answer to this you will understand that you have to share with us. You cannot tell us to go anywhere as we cannot tell you....so get over yourself and deal with whats before you division and the negotiations to find a structure that will address both sides concerns.

All we ask for is security and a say in our own future, what you offer is GC dominance and minority status and then you we do not want to live together.

You can keep your flame burning for your desire for war but dont forget you are placing your people in great danger for the second time, the choice is yours.

Each Cypriot citizen has the same right to every corner of this island. You however want to ethnically cleanse every non Turkish Cypriot from a big part of Cyprus and create some Turkish state on land you illegally and criminally occupy.

What you ask is not just "security" and "a say", what you demand is for a large part of Cyprus to become Turkish by means of ethnic cleansing, and to gain Ottoman style privileges on the expense of every other Cypriot citizen, just because you are Muslim and you speak Turkish.

I am not the one who made you a minority in Cyprus, so if you have a problem with that complain to those Ottoman rulers who brought you to Cyprus.

We have many other minorities in Cyprus and they don't have any problem. The same with every other multi-ethnic country. In no normal country are the citizens divided based on their language, religion or other racist criteria. We are not living in the time of the Ottomans, neither we are South African of Apartheid.

The war is what you started with the invasion of Cyprus, and not what I desired. But I have no desire to surrender in the war you started against us, and this will never happen. So I tell you again and put it deep into your brain: Do not expect from us to accept a "solution" that involves our ethnic cleansing from any part of our homeland.

[Get Real!]

Oh, THAT pot… for a moment I was thinking does Mitch do drugs?

[MR-from-NG]

Oh, THAT pot… for a moment I was thinking does Mitch do drugs?

Only when in Jamaica. Love every one of your posts GR, keep it up mate.

[Kikapu]

Oh, THAT pot… for a moment I was thinking does Mitch do drugs?

It's not my fault that you don't keep up with the latest hot topics here on the forum, GR.!

[MR-from-NG]

Once everyone accepts, that a solution can only be based on True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, the rest of our problems are then just details. The problem is, some do not accept this concept for a unified Cyprus, but would rather have the opposite to these principles. What these people are refusing to see is, now that Cyprus is in the EU and this is the 21st century, there can be no other way but follow the above principles. The EU will not have it any other way which we are part of, even if some Cypriots are willing to forgo the above principles. Therefore, the choice has already been made for us since 2004, whether we want it or not, that a unified Cyprus can only have a True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. If you cannot trust these basic principles which is the cornerstone of the western society in which we live in, then how can you trust the opposite.? Before any other problems can be addressed, and there are many, first and foremost, the above basic principles need to be accepted by all if we are to move forward with any unification in Cyprus.

I have just came across this report on the "Cyprus Mail" which supports my above post.

"THE EUROPEAN Commission is prepared to accommodate a solution to the Cyprus problem as long as it’s based on the principles on which the EU was founded, said Commission Vice-President responsible for Enterprise and Industry Gunter Verheugen yesterday."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=46236

So, even Gunter Verheugen, the supporter of the Annan Plan is saying the above. Times have changed since 2004, and so must we.!

Stating the obvious is sooooo you Kikapu. Anyway, if it makes you feel good and gets you brownie points from your buddies then I guess that's job done for you. I know your agenda, so from me you get "nil points"

Here is a man who chooses to live in a Democratic, Human Rights and International laws observing country, UK, but then turns his nose up to it when it comes to Cyprus just so he does not have be living with too many GC's in his neighbourhood in the north.

So what exactly was your point with your above post anyway MR-from-NG.??

If that is a tough question for you to answer, then tell us if you have found your stolen pot yet from your house in the "trnc".?

Kikapu, you are a self absorbed, self indulgent attention seeking sad individual. My point is so simple, now you tell me who in their right fucking mind wouldn't want a solution based on democratic values, human rights and international laws? Why do you feel you owe it to us to fucking remind us of this?

You think you have values and high morals while the rest of us are just crooks and want nothing but the division of our island for personal gain. You need to get a grip on reality but this is not possible because you cant even travel to the north to see how your other half lives and what they really feel about their future. You just t sit in front of your PC and become judge, jury and executioner without knowing the full facts, and that pisses me off.

My pot is gone, stolen by some ratbag. Anyway, I'm sick of Cyprus and sick of the TRNC, if I get a good offer I'll sell up and never set foot on this cursed island ever again. Happy?

My point is so simple, now you tell me who in their right fucking mind wouldn't want a solution based on democratic values, human rights and international laws? Why do you feel you owe it to us to fucking remind us of this?

If you want the same thing as I do, what are we arguing about then. Welcome aboard my friend.!

You think you have values and high morals while the rest of us are just crooks and want nothing but the division of our island for personal gain. You need to get a grip on reality but this is not possible because you cant even travel to the north to see how your other half lives and what they really feel about their future. You just t sit in front of your PC and become judge, jury and executioner without knowing the full facts, and that pisses me off.

What I want for our people is to live in an honest society as a EU member citizens with equal rights in Cyprus. The only way this will happen, is by accepting the western values on Democracy and Human Rights, or else the "corrupted society" that they have been forced to live in at the present will only get worse for them. So yes MR-from-NG, I do have our peoples best interest at heart, and the only thing as an individual that I can offer them over what the Fascists offer them, is to sit behind my PC and tell them that they need to embrace Democracy, Human Rights and International law to better their future and lives.

My pot is gone, stolen by some ratbag. Anyway, I'm sick of Cyprus and sick of the TRNC, if I get a good offer I'll sell up and never set foot on this cursed island ever again. Happy?

Sorry to hear your displeasure with Cyprus and the loss of your pot. This is exactly what I'm talking about in what our people go through when their future is an uncertainty. You are only a part-time resident in the north, and yet you have had enough, but think of those who are trapped there MR-from-NG. Where is their future under the present situation. This experiment of partition has run it's course with many losers along the way, but it is unattainable for the long haul. Times have changed, and so must we all in Cyprus to all live as equal citizens, but this equality can only come when we all respect Democracy and Human Rights.! I'm sorry if this gets too repetitious for some, but that is the bottom line.

I believe that you have the best interest of all the Cypriots in heart in your arguments. What would be nice to see from you would be for you to show a bit ot of loyalty, allegiance and sympathy to your fellow TCs. Instead all they get is insults and a kick in the teeth.

Anyway, contrary to what I might call you in my moment of anger you are a nice chap and I do enjoy your posts, even if they piss me off at times

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Piratis

Each Cypriot citizen has the same right to every corner of this island. You however want to ethnically cleanse every non Turkish Cypriot from a big part of Cyprus and create some Turkish state on land you illegally and criminally occupy.

Where have I claimed this? I support BBF with the right of everyone to move and settle in which ever state they wish.

What you ask is not just "security" and "a say", what you demand is for a large part of Cyprus to become Turkish by means of ethnic cleansing, and to gain Ottoman style privileges on the expense of every other Cypriot citizen, just because you are Muslim and you speak Turkish.

Rubbish, I wont even bother anwering this crap.

I am not the one who made you a minority in Cyprus, so if you have a problem with that complain to those Ottoman rulers who brought you to Cyprus.

A minority is only a minority when it is put at risk by the majority.

We have many other minorities in Cyprus and they don't have any problem. The same with every other multi-ethnic country. In no normal country are the citizens divided based on their language, religion or other racist criteria. We are not living in the time of the Ottomans, neither we are South African of Apartheid.

Belgium, Switzerland, USA, San Marino, ex Serbia Montenegro....go study.

The war is what you started with the invasion of Cyprus, and not what I desired. But I have no desire to surrender in the war you started against us, and this will never happen. So I tell you again and put it deep into your brain: Do not expect from us to accept a "solution" that involves our ethnic cleansing from any part of our homeland.

You brought the war upon yourselves, if you had of acted on behalf of all the people of Cyprus rather than selfishly trying to gift our country to Greece instead of building a united independent country. You are guilty.

[Kikapu]

Once everyone accepts, that a solution can only be based on True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, the rest of our problems are then just details. The problem is, some do not accept this concept for a unified Cyprus, but would rather have the opposite to these principles. What these people are refusing to see is, now that Cyprus is in the EU and this is the 21st century, there can be no other way but follow the above principles. The EU will not have it any other way which we are part of, even if some Cypriots are willing to forgo the above principles. Therefore, the choice has already been made for us since 2004, whether we want it or not, that a unified Cyprus can only have a True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. If you cannot trust these basic principles which is the cornerstone of the western society in which we live in, then how can you trust the opposite.? Before any other problems can be addressed, and there are many, first and foremost, the above basic principles need to be accepted by all if we are to move forward with any unification in Cyprus.

I have just came across this report on the "Cyprus Mail" which supports my above post.

"THE EUROPEAN Commission is prepared to accommodate a solution to the Cyprus problem as long as it’s based on the principles on which the EU was founded, said Commission Vice-President responsible for Enterprise and Industry Gunter Verheugen yesterday."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=46236

So, even Gunter Verheugen, the supporter of the Annan Plan is saying the above. Times have changed since 2004, and so must we.!

Stating the obvious is sooooo you Kikapu. Anyway, if it makes you feel good and gets you brownie points from your buddies then I guess that's job done for you. I know your agenda, so from me you get "nil points"

Here is a man who chooses to live in a Democratic, Human Rights and International laws observing country, UK, but then turns his nose up to it when it comes to Cyprus just so he does not have be living with too many GC's in his neighbourhood in the north.

So what exactly was your point with your above post anyway MR-from-NG.??

If that is a tough question for you to answer, then tell us if you have found your stolen pot yet from your house in the "trnc".?

Kikapu, you are a self absorbed, self indulgent attention seeking sad individual. My point is so simple, now you tell me who in their right fucking mind wouldn't want a solution based on democratic values, human rights and international laws? Why do you feel you owe it to us to fucking remind us of this?

You think you have values and high morals while the rest of us are just crooks and want nothing but the division of our island for personal gain. You need to get a grip on reality but this is not possible because you cant even travel to the north to see how your other half lives and what they really feel about their future. You just t sit in front of your PC and become judge, jury and executioner without knowing the full facts, and that pisses me off.

My pot is gone, stolen by some ratbag. Anyway, I'm sick of Cyprus and sick of the TRNC, if I get a good offer I'll sell up and never set foot on this cursed island ever again. Happy?

My point is so simple, now you tell me who in their right fucking mind wouldn't want a solution based on democratic values, human rights and international laws? Why do you feel you owe it to us to fucking remind us of this?

If you want the same thing as I do, what are we arguing about then. Welcome aboard my friend.!

You think you have values and high morals while the rest of us are just crooks and want nothing but the division of our island for personal gain. You need to get a grip on reality but this is not possible because you cant even travel to the north to see how your other half lives and what they really feel about their future. You just t sit in front of your PC and become judge, jury and executioner without knowing the full facts, and that pisses me off.

What I want for our people is to live in an honest society as a EU member citizens with equal rights in Cyprus. The only way this will happen, is by accepting the western values on Democracy and Human Rights, or else the "corrupted society" that they have been forced to live in at the present will only get worse for them. So yes MR-from-NG, I do have our peoples best interest at heart, and the only thing as an individual that I can offer them over what the Fascists offer them, is to sit behind my PC and tell them that they need to embrace Democracy, Human Rights and International law to better their future and lives.

My pot is gone, stolen by some ratbag. Anyway, I'm sick of Cyprus and sick of the TRNC, if I get a good offer I'll sell up and never set foot on this cursed island ever again. Happy?

Sorry to hear your displeasure with Cyprus and the loss of your pot. This is exactly what I'm talking about in what our people go through when their future is an uncertainty. You are only a part-time resident in the north, and yet you have had enough, but think of those who are trapped there MR-from-NG. Where is their future under the present situation. This experiment of partition has run it's course with many losers along the way, but it is unattainable for the long haul. Times have changed, and so must we all in Cyprus to all live as equal citizens, but this equality can only come when we all respect Democracy and Human Rights.! I'm sorry if this gets too repetitious for some, but that is the bottom line.

I believe that you have the best interest of all the Cypriots in heart in your arguments. What would be nice to see from you would be for you to show a bit ot of loyalty, allegiance and sympathy to your fellow TCs. Instead all they get is insults and a kick in the teeth.

Anyway, contrary to what I might call you in my moment of anger you are a nice chap and I do enjoy your posts, even if they piss me off at times

Thanks MR-from-NG for your nice sentiments.

I do not intend or like to get people pissed off, but they do anyway, only because I can only write what I write in the way I do write. I accept being cast the "black sheep" of our people for the time being if it means it will benefit them in the future by my persistence on Democracy. We do not have another alternative, really.!

When you have the time, why don't you read this BBF plan that is designed to help the TC's. Needless to say, compromises does need to be made along the way. Then tell me I do not try to do nice things for our people.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

[Viewpoint]

Beware of the disguised dangers and you will soon realize how Kikapu is trying to help TCs.