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[YFred]

Once everyone accepts, that a solution can only be based on True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, the rest of our problems are then just details. The problem is, some do not accept this concept for a unified Cyprus, but would rather have the opposite to these principles. What these people are refusing to see is, now that Cyprus is in the EU and this is the 21st century, there can be no other way but follow the above principles. The EU will not have it any other way which we are part of, even if some Cypriots are willing to forgo the above principles. Therefore, the choice has already been made for us since 2004, whether we want it or not, that a unified Cyprus can only have a True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. If you cannot trust these basic principles which is the cornerstone of the western society in which we live in, then how can you trust the opposite.? Before any other problems can be addressed, and there are many, first and foremost, the above basic principles need to be accepted by all if we are to move forward with any unification in Cyprus.

I have just came across this report on the "Cyprus Mail" which supports my above post.

"THE EUROPEAN Commission is prepared to accommodate a solution to the Cyprus problem as long as it’s based on the principles on which the EU was founded, said Commission Vice-President responsible for Enterprise and Industry Gunter Verheugen yesterday."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=46236

So, even Gunter Verheugen, the supporter of the Annan Plan is saying the above. Times have changed since 2004, and so must we.!

I'll go along with that. The EU was founded on a Coal and Steel Trade agreement between 6 countries. We'll have a coal and steel trade agreement anytime! So long as its direct trade with the EU.

[Viewpoint]

Once everyone accepts, that a solution can only be based on True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, the rest of our problems are then just details. The problem is, some do not accept this concept for a unified Cyprus, but would rather have the opposite to these principles. What these people are refusing to see is, now that Cyprus is in the EU and this is the 21st century, there can be no other way but follow the above principles. The EU will not have it any other way which we are part of, even if some Cypriots are willing to forgo the above principles. Therefore, the choice has already been made for us since 2004, whether we want it or not, that a unified Cyprus can only have a True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. If you cannot trust these basic principles which is the cornerstone of the western society in which we live in, then how can you trust the opposite.? Before any other problems can be addressed, and there are many, first and foremost, the above basic principles need to be accepted by all if we are to move forward with any unification in Cyprus.

I have just came across this report on the "Cyprus Mail" which supports my above post.

"THE EUROPEAN Commission is prepared to accommodate a solution to the Cyprus problem as long as it’s based on the principles on which the EU was founded, said Commission Vice-President responsible for Enterprise and Industry Gunter Verheugen yesterday."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=46236

So, even Gunter Verheugen, the supporter of the Annan Plan is saying the above. Times have changed since 2004, and so must we.!

Derrogrations are totally acceptable in the EU, the GCs can not be allowed a free hand as the True Democracy and human rights you wish to gift to the GCs to use as they wish will be our downfall. Its not the knife but the surgeon thats important here.

[Get Real!]

I haven’t voted because the word “progress” is relative. One thing that’s for sure is that there was a time on the CF when we had to wade through all the intricate technicalities of the CyProb to clear up the myriads of misconceptions, something we are no longer doing today. These days we’re mostly discussing the road to a solution and life after it. Is that progress? I don’t know…

Other than that, Kikapu pretty much sums it up for me too…

Once everyone accepts, that a solution can only be based on True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, the rest of our problems are then just details.

[YFred]

I haven’t voted because the word “progress” is relative. One thing that’s for sure is that there was a time on the CF when we had to wade through all the intricate technicalities of the CyProb to clear up the myriads of misconceptions, something we are no longer doing today. These days we’re mostly discussing the road to a solution and life after it. Is that progress? I don’t know…

Other than that, Kikapu pretty much sums it up for me too…

Once everyone accepts, that a solution can only be based on True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, the rest of our problems are then just details.

Yes it is. It's certainly better than under TPap.

[Viewpoint]

I haven’t voted because the word “progress” is relative. One thing that’s for sure is that there was a time on the CF when we had to wade through all the intricate technicalities of the CyProb to clear up the myriads of misconceptions, something we are no longer doing today. These days we’re mostly discussing the road to a solution and life after it. Is that progress? I don’t know…

Other than that, Kikapu pretty much sums it up for me too…

Once everyone accepts, that a solution can only be based on True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, the rest of our problems are then just details.

myriads of misconceptions really? so you think you have cleansed yourself, they are there festering stronger than ever and resurface at every opportunity. Stop hiding behind your finger if you feel this forum has helped you towards understanding the other side and finding a solution then vots YES if not then vote NO.

[Kikapu]

Once everyone accepts, that a solution can only be based on True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, the rest of our problems are then just details. The problem is, some do not accept this concept for a unified Cyprus, but would rather have the opposite to these principles. What these people are refusing to see is, now that Cyprus is in the EU and this is the 21st century, there can be no other way but follow the above principles. The EU will not have it any other way which we are part of, even if some Cypriots are willing to forgo the above principles. Therefore, the choice has already been made for us since 2004, whether we want it or not, that a unified Cyprus can only have a True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. If you cannot trust these basic principles which is the cornerstone of the western society in which we live in, then how can you trust the opposite.? Before any other problems can be addressed, and there are many, first and foremost, the above basic principles need to be accepted by all if we are to move forward with any unification in Cyprus.

I have just came across this report on the "Cyprus Mail" which supports my above post.

"THE EUROPEAN Commission is prepared to accommodate a solution to the Cyprus problem as long as it’s based on the principles on which the EU was founded, said Commission Vice-President responsible for Enterprise and Industry Gunter Verheugen yesterday."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=46236

So, even Gunter Verheugen, the supporter of the Annan Plan is saying the above. Times have changed since 2004, and so must we.!

Derrogrations are totally acceptable in the EU, the GCs can not be allowed a free hand as the True Democracy and human rights you wish to gift to the GCs to use as they wish will be our downfall. Its not the knife but the surgeon thats important here.

Show me any derogations imposed within any EU state that violates the basic principles I laid out above against it's own citizens..!

[MR-from-NG]

Once everyone accepts, that a solution can only be based on True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, the rest of our problems are then just details. The problem is, some do not accept this concept for a unified Cyprus, but would rather have the opposite to these principles. What these people are refusing to see is, now that Cyprus is in the EU and this is the 21st century, there can be no other way but follow the above principles. The EU will not have it any other way which we are part of, even if some Cypriots are willing to forgo the above principles. Therefore, the choice has already been made for us since 2004, whether we want it or not, that a unified Cyprus can only have a True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. If you cannot trust these basic principles which is the cornerstone of the western society in which we live in, then how can you trust the opposite.? Before any other problems can be addressed, and there are many, first and foremost, the above basic principles need to be accepted by all if we are to move forward with any unification in Cyprus.

I have just came across this report on the "Cyprus Mail" which supports my above post.

"THE EUROPEAN Commission is prepared to accommodate a solution to the Cyprus problem as long as it’s based on the principles on which the EU was founded, said Commission Vice-President responsible for Enterprise and Industry Gunter Verheugen yesterday."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=46236

So, even Gunter Verheugen, the supporter of the Annan Plan is saying the above. Times have changed since 2004, and so must we.!

Stating the obvious is sooooo you Kikapu. Anyway, if it makes you feel good and gets you brownie points from your buddies then I guess that's job done for you. I know your agenda, so from me you get "nil points"

[Get Real!]

I haven’t voted because the word “progress” is relative. One thing that’s for sure is that there was a time on the CF when we had to wade through all the intricate technicalities of the CyProb to clear up the myriads of misconceptions, something we are no longer doing today. These days we’re mostly discussing the road to a solution and life after it. Is that progress? I don’t know…

Other than that, Kikapu pretty much sums it up for me too…

Once everyone accepts, that a solution can only be based on True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws, the rest of our problems are then just details.

myriads of misconceptions really? so you think you have cleansed yourself, they are there festering stronger than ever and resurface at every opportunity. Stop hiding behind your finger if you feel this forum has helped you towards understanding the other side and finding a solution then vots YES if not then vote NO.

You seem to have misunderstood me. There was a time when we were arguing all day about OTHER technical issues such as...

Is the “TRNC” a pseudo state?
Is direct trade with the “TRNC” legal?
Is the Ercan airport legal?
Is the importation of Turkish settlers to the “TRNC” legal?

Etc, but I think we’ve come to an understanding on all these technical matters and have moved on from them. No?

[DT.]

Do you think we have made any progess in our debates to agreeing unification and living together?

There have been times way back in the past where a framework was agreed between a few of us. Once we got down to personal inhibitions/fears/wants then it was much easier. It's just tricky to let go sometimes of the things you feel you SHOULD be demanding.

Other than that, what my other 2 co-democrats stated before stands for me as well.

Democracy with respect for human rights and you can never go wrong.

BTW VP, don't you think you're overdoing the conclusive referendums these days? Has some sort of deadline passed where a study needs to be handed in for this project to someone?

[Viewpoint]

Do you think we have made any progess in our debates to agreeing unification and living together?

There have been times way back in the past where a framework was agreed between a few of us. Once we got down to personal inhibitions/fears/wants then it was much easier. It's just tricky to let go sometimes of the things you feel you SHOULD be demanding.

Other than that, what my other 2 co-democrats stated before stands for me as well.

Democracy with respect for human rights and you can never go wrong.

BTW VP, don't you think you're overdoing the conclusive referendums these days? Has some sort of deadline passed where a study needs to be handed in for this project to someone?

Can democracy be used to the detrement of a minority if desired by the majority? Please answer honestly.