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[DT.]

Bill, read the judgment carefully, it is not a political judgment and there are no political remedies in it. In fact the Orams look as though they will use this aspect to defeat it. Stop kidding yourself and others that in some way this is a tool for the GC government to use to beat anyone with. It’s a stick made of candy mate, like the Brighton rock.

Were you not telling us few weeks ago that the ECJ ruling was a "political judgement" therefore it should be refused by the British Courts, but now you are saying it is NOT a Political Judgement. Glad that you have seen the LIGHT.! As for the Orams, they have even less chance of overturning the ECJ judgement if it was not a Political one, which it was not..........directly !.

Nice one, YFred.!

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.

[YFred]

Bill, read the judgment carefully, it is not a political judgment and there are no political remedies in it. In fact the Orams look as though they will use this aspect to defeat it. Stop kidding yourself and others that in some way this is a tool for the GC government to use to beat anyone with. It’s a stick made of candy mate, like the Brighton rock.

Were you not telling us few weeks ago that the ECJ ruling was a "political judgement" therefore it should be refused by the British Courts, but now you are saying it is NOT a Political Judgement. Glad that you have seen the LIGHT.! As for the Orams, they have even less chance of overturning the ECJ judgement if it was not a Political one, which it was not..........directly !.

Nice one, YFred.!

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.

I could never make my mind up, now I am not so sure!

[bill cobbett]

Bill, read the judgment carefully, it is not a political judgment and there are no political remedies in it. In fact the Orams look as though they will use this aspect to defeat it. Stop kidding yourself and others that in some way this is a tool for the GC government to use to beat anyone with. It’s a stick made of candy mate, like the Brighton rock.

Were you not telling us few weeks ago that the ECJ ruling was a "political judgement" therefore it should be refused by the British Courts, but now you are saying it is NOT a Political Judgement. Glad that you have seen the LIGHT.! As for the Orams, they have even less chance of overturning the ECJ judgement if it was not a Political one, which it was not..........directly !.

Nice one, YFred.!

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.

The Mr A v The Harems matter was and is a matter between individuals, but the result of which has wider political effects.

The ECJ, quite rightly, chose to not give any weight whatsover to the politics. I say rightly cos otherwise every time a thief gets hauled before the courts they could plead some wider political issue in their defence, like the thief went stealing to house and feed his family cos society is politically unfair.

(Sorry to give this obvious analogy but some people here are pretending to be thick)

The political effects of course stand to get bigger and bigger with each individual case that Mr Candounas brings before the Courts. We know he is working on those Canterbury Land Stealers in Kondea and I hear there's a third one in the pipeline, but they remain individual cases where individual owners of land have gone to the Courts for redress.

The GB Appeal Court has been told to enforce the Nicosia Court's judgement. It will I'm sure do so, cos it aint got any discretion in the matter. It went to the ECJ for a ruling, it has now got the ruling, all that's left is to enforce it or impose penalties for non-compliance and award costs against the Harems.

May I say that the following from our Freddie is some of the biggest, smelliest and downright incompetent load of pollocks I have ever read on CF (some of my own posts apart).....

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.

Thank you.

[Tim Drayton]

Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Turgay Avci

This statemenent was made by Avci on 27.03.2009 what's the point of publishing it today?
Turgay Avci's party lost the elections held on 17th April, so Mr Avci is no longer Deputy Prime Minister or Foreign Minister since then.

Hüseyin Özgürgün is now the TRNC foreign minister.

http://www.kibrisligazetesi.net/kibrisl ... e_id=28556

[Kifeas]

Bill, read the judgment carefully, it is not a political judgment and there are no political remedies in it. In fact the Orams look as though they will use this aspect to defeat it. Stop kidding yourself and others that in some way this is a tool for the GC government to use to beat anyone with. It’s a stick made of candy mate, like the Brighton rock.

Were you not telling us few weeks ago that the ECJ ruling was a "political judgement" therefore it should be refused by the British Courts, but now you are saying it is NOT a Political Judgement. Glad that you have seen the LIGHT.! As for the Orams, they have even less chance of overturning the ECJ judgement if it was not a Political one, which it was not..........directly !.

Nice one, YFred.!

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.

I could never make my mind up, now I am not so sure!

YFred, could it be because you do not fully comprehend the meanings and significance of the terms "legal" and "political," and thus you also cannot tell the difference between the two?

[Kifeas]

Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Turgay Avci

This statemenent was made by Avci on 27.03.2009 what's the point of publishing it today?
Turgay Avci's party lost the elections held on 17th April, so Mr Avci is no longer Deputy Prime Minister or Foreign Minister since then.

Hüseyin Özgürgün is now the TRNC foreign minister.

http://www.kibrisligazetesi.net/kibrisl ... e_id=28556

That's him, precisely! Headless …as he is!

[DT.]

Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Turgay Avci

This statemenent was made by Avci on 27.03.2009 what's the point of publishing it today?
Turgay Avci's party lost the elections held on 17th April, so Mr Avci is no longer Deputy Prime Minister or Foreign Minister since then.

Hüseyin Özgürgün is now the TRNC foreign minister.

http://www.kibrisligazetesi.net/kibrisl ... e_id=28556

That's him, precisely! Headless …as he is!

[ahristos]

OK THEN GREECE CAN OFFERS ALL PAKISTANIES AND AVGHANS IRAQIES ECT REFUGIES TO YOUR PIECEFULL
PLACE

[YFred]

Bill, read the judgment carefully, it is not a political judgment and there are no political remedies in it. In fact the Orams look as though they will use this aspect to defeat it. Stop kidding yourself and others that in some way this is a tool for the GC government to use to beat anyone with. It’s a stick made of candy mate, like the Brighton rock.

Were you not telling us few weeks ago that the ECJ ruling was a "political judgement" therefore it should be refused by the British Courts, but now you are saying it is NOT a Political Judgement. Glad that you have seen the LIGHT.! As for the Orams, they have even less chance of overturning the ECJ judgement if it was not a Political one, which it was not..........directly !.

Nice one, YFred.!

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.

I could never make my mind up, now I am not so sure!

YFred, could it be because you do not fully comprehend the meanings and significance of the terms "legal" and "political," and thus you also cannot tell the difference between the two?

Kifeas stop insulting me. Of course I know the difference. Legal is like sheep and political is like goats.

The decision should be legal but judging by the reaction of the GC forumers and the media in general with their intention to solve the property issue via the ECJ surely makes it political and when Mr X is unable to use it for political gains, then of course he will be labelled as a traitor.

[Icarus]

What is most interesting is that in the midsts of unification the Turks who live in Cyprus rather secure the rights of Britons who similar to them will violate other Cypriots human rights than actually honour and respect their compatriots. Good one peoples

Compatriots? those that buried 16 months old babies alive? and will stab us in the back if left at their mercy. Time you GCs proved you are not as bad as we think you are all you do is confirm our worst fears.

I have never heard of any 16 month old babies being buried alive.

But I know of 3 Greek Cypriot ladies that got raped by Turkish Soldiers and another 3 month old baby given soapy water and vinegar to drink by Turkish Soldiers, because it was crying from hunger and thirst.

The fact you chose to ignore, is that there were absolutely no TC casualties immediately prior to the Turkish Invasion. It is only when the Turkish Army landed on Cyprus, when some fanatic GC "heroes" targeted some TC civilians, and even then your casualties were few, whereas our casualties were many thousands.

This is why the Greek Cypriots have legitimate security concerns and will never accept any solution encompassing a Treaty of Guarantee from Turkey itself. Talat knows this very well and so does Turkey.

What you fail to comprehend is the fact that things are beyond your control and the "TRNC" will be dissolved in due course. Turkey's EU accession depends on this. Quite clearly, there are other factors at stake, and never before has the RoC's hand been as strong. Things are beginning to change and soon Turkey will pull the rug from under your feet. Reality will hit home very hard..

Welcome to CF Icarus.

I share the view that Tnuc-land is on the ropes, having taken beatings from things such as the ECJ judgement, the cold welcome by Jurkey to the assistant muhktari a few days ago, pressure for progress this year on Jurkish EU ambitions.

I do hope Pres X appreciates the strength of his position.

Thank you for the welcome Bill..

I'm certain Pres X has a strategy in mind.

Both parties are locked in negotiations. Turkey's EU accession depends on whether these negotiations are successful. Also, with the Eroglu "election" win, then it is easy to presume that it will be the Turkish side that may withdraw from the peace process. Therefore , they will be the one's being blamed for the failure of the peace talks. A complete reversal over the nnan debacle...

And this is where the EU will apply more pressure, along with the US.

So either way, the RoC is in a win win situation.