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[Byron]

Having been to both Greece and Cyprus many times, it is strikingly evident as to the cultural similarities between the 2 nations.Quite clearly, most Cypriots are in favour of maintaining their national anthem, and their democratic free will should be respected. Just because Cyprus is being held at ransom by a foreign occupier does not mean there is justification in abandoning the national anthem.

So are the nations in south America with Spain or Portugal. They still have their own flags.

It is evident that the majority of Cypriots are partial to the current national anthem. And since this is the case, there is absolutely no need for it to change. The anthem itself was also writeen by a Cypriot so the Hymn to Liberty is as much Cypriot as it is Greek.

If you are telling me that the TCs also need to identify with the Cypriot National Anthem, then Turkey can perhaps show us the way by signing a new BBF agreement with the Kurdish minority and changing their national anthem so that the Kurds can also identify with it.

And perhaps when Cyprus is finally re-united under The Republic of Cyprus banner, then the TC minority may be able to introduce their own anthem within their own Federated State.

Icarus, you talk nonsense and you should know it. Re-uniting Cyprus into a BBF does not mean that the two federative states will be nations on their own. Cyprus will not cease to exist as one single nation, with a single sovereignty and one international representation, in the same way that the US has one national anthem and not 52 instead. In that sense and regardless of whether you like it or not, once a solution is agreed a Cyprus national anthem will have to be established, because this is what logic dictates! Therefore, stop wasting your time and energy on unfeasible and futile ideas.

Entirely agree with Kifeas that logic dictates that once a solution is agreed upon a Cypriot anthem would have to replace the Greek one.

It will all depend on what type of solution is found, if any. Until then we se gnoriso apo tin kopsi !!!

[Icarus]

Having been to both Greece and Cyprus many times, it is strikingly evident as to the cultural similarities between the 2 nations.Quite clearly, most Cypriots are in favour of maintaining their national anthem, and their democratic free will should be respected. Just because Cyprus is being held at ransom by a foreign occupier does not mean there is justification in abandoning the national anthem.

So are the nations in south America with Spain or Portugal. They still have their own flags.

It is evident that the majority of Cypriots are partial to the current national anthem. And since this is the case, there is absolutely no need for it to change. The anthem itself was also writeen by a Cypriot so the Hymn to Liberty is as much Cypriot as it is Greek.

If you are telling me that the TCs also need to identify with the Cypriot National Anthem, then Turkey can perhaps show us the way by signing a new BBF agreement with the Kurdish minority and changing their national anthem so that the Kurds can also identify with it.

And perhaps when Cyprus is finally re-united under The Republic of Cyprus banner, then the TC minority may be able to introduce their own anthem within their own Federated State.

Icarus, you talk nonsense and you should know it. Re-uniting Cyprus into a BBF does not mean that the two federative states will be nations on their own. Cyprus will not cease to exist as one single nation, with a single sovereignty and one international representation, in the same way that the US has one national anthem and not 52 instead. In that sense and regardless of whether you like it or not, once a solution is agreed a Cyprus national anthem will have to be established, because this is what logic dictates! Therefore, stop wasting your time and energy on unfeasible and futile ideas.

Entirely agree with Kifeas that logic dictates that once a solution is agreed upon a Cypriot anthem would have to replace the Greek one.

That is logic for people with tunnel vision and in built blinkers!

[Paphitis]

Having been to both Greece and Cyprus many times, it is strikingly evident as to the cultural similarities between the 2 nations.Quite clearly, most Cypriots are in favour of maintaining their national anthem, and their democratic free will should be respected. Just because Cyprus is being held at ransom by a foreign occupier does not mean there is justification in abandoning the national anthem.

So are the nations in south America with Spain or Portugal. They still have their own flags.

It is evident that the majority of Cypriots are partial to the current national anthem. And since this is the case, there is absolutely no need for it to change. The anthem itself was also writeen by a Cypriot so the Hymn to Liberty is as much Cypriot as it is Greek.

If you are telling me that the TCs also need to identify with the Cypriot National Anthem, then Turkey can perhaps show us the way by signing a new BBF agreement with the Kurdish minority and changing their national anthem so that the Kurds can also identify with it.

And perhaps when Cyprus is finally re-united under The Republic of Cyprus banner, then the TC minority may be able to introduce their own anthem within their own Federated State.

Icarus, you talk nonsense and you should know it. Re-uniting Cyprus into a BBF does not mean that the two federative states will be nations on their own. Cyprus will not cease to exist as one single nation, with a single sovereignty and one international representation, in the same way that the US has one national anthem and not 52 instead. In that sense and regardless of whether you like it or not, once a solution is agreed a Cyprus national anthem will have to be established, because this is what logic dictates! Therefore, stop wasting your time and energy on unfeasible and futile ideas.

Entirely agree with Kifeas that logic dictates that once a solution is agreed upon a Cypriot anthem would have to replace the Greek one.

That is logic for people with tunnel vision and in built blinkers!

Welcome to CF Icarus...

Good to see some reason comming through the darkness.

[AWE]

When did to RoC choose the song? in 1960 or later? Because if you want the TCs to believe that you mean them no harm in a united Cyprus you need better PR people!

[Icarus]

When did to RoC choose the song? in 1960 or later? Because if you want the TCs to believe that you mean them no harm in a united Cyprus you need better PR people!

National Anthem's won't achieve this.

If anything there should be due democratic process by taking into account every one's sensitivities.

There are many ways in which this can be achieved.

As someone rightfully pointed out, The Republic of Ireland is one country with 2 national anthems. I am not sure if there are any more countries that have done this.

At the end of the day, the National Anthem is such a tiny matter in relation to the true magnitude and scope of the Cyprus Problem.

What is not a tiny matter, and has the potential of hampering the viability of any peace settlement, is the failure to allow proper democratic and human rights.

If the majority wish to have the Hymn to Liberty as their anthem, then so be it. Others can also be easily accommodated, should they not like the The Hymn to Liberty.

[denizaksulu]

It is evident that the majority of Cypriots are partial to the current national anthem. And since this is the case, there is absolutely no need for it to change. The anthem itself was also writeen by a Cypriot so the Hymn to Liberty is as much Cypriot as it is Greek.

If you are telling me that the TCs also need to identify with the Cypriot National Anthem, then Turkey can perhaps show us the way by signing a new BBF agreement with the Kurdish minority and changing their national anthem so that the Kurds can also identify with it.

And perhaps when Cyprus is finally re-united under The Republic of Cyprus banner, then the TC minority may be able to introduce their own anthem within their own Federated State.

So you are saying that when a Cypriot sports national team will be playing international games, two anthems will be heard for Cyprus, instead of one which is the case with every other single nation in the world, and the same holds when a foreign political figurehead is visiting Cyprus on an official visit, or vice versa. Get serious man!!!

That is a possibilty. Or the current National Anthem can be combined and blended with another. I assume it would need to be cut down to the mandatory 45 seconds, but am unsure if that's the case.

So it will be half the Greek national anthem, and half the Turkish one!

This could be a possibility. But the way things are going between Greece and Turkey, it is quite feasible to think that the Cyprus Problem will be solved one way or another, and that Turkey will become an EU member and that Greece, Turkey and Cyprus will form a new alliance encompassing both military strategic interests and regional economic trade, development and cooperation agreements.

At the very least you would hope so, because if that is not the case then we are staring down the barrel of permanent partition and will be condemned to face a very powerful and grizzly foe to our north.

If important matters such as these are not handled with fair and democratic process, then this will only result in the destruction of many people's sensitivities, and the future unified Republic of Cyprus will not be able to stand on her own 2 feet. Things will become unworkable.

The same thing will occur if the new BBF does not have fair and democratic principles manifested upon the individual as opposed to 2 equal communities which will of course reduce the 82% majority to second tier citizenship under the RoC's constitution. Such a system I can never live under, and will most certainly abandon it by migrating to foreign shores.

You will then adopt another name - BURAK.

Do you mean Borat?

In my country we say to let a woman drive a car is like to let a monkey fly a plane, very dangerous yes.

In Turkish =Burak, Arabic= Buraq

Islamic mythological flying horse. (check 1001 Nights)

Most probably derived from Icarus!!

I did mean Buraq and not Borat.

[Icarus]

It is evident that the majority of Cypriots are partial to the current national anthem. And since this is the case, there is absolutely no need for it to change. The anthem itself was also writeen by a Cypriot so the Hymn to Liberty is as much Cypriot as it is Greek.

If you are telling me that the TCs also need to identify with the Cypriot National Anthem, then Turkey can perhaps show us the way by signing a new BBF agreement with the Kurdish minority and changing their national anthem so that the Kurds can also identify with it.

And perhaps when Cyprus is finally re-united under The Republic of Cyprus banner, then the TC minority may be able to introduce their own anthem within their own Federated State.

So you are saying that when a Cypriot sports national team will be playing international games, two anthems will be heard for Cyprus, instead of one which is the case with every other single nation in the world, and the same holds when a foreign political figurehead is visiting Cyprus on an official visit, or vice versa. Get serious man!!!

That is a possibilty. Or the current National Anthem can be combined and blended with another. I assume it would need to be cut down to the mandatory 45 seconds, but am unsure if that's the case.

So it will be half the Greek national anthem, and half the Turkish one!

This could be a possibility. But the way things are going between Greece and Turkey, it is quite feasible to think that the Cyprus Problem will be solved one way or another, and that Turkey will become an EU member and that Greece, Turkey and Cyprus will form a new alliance encompassing both military strategic interests and regional economic trade, development and cooperation agreements.

At the very least you would hope so, because if that is not the case then we are staring down the barrel of permanent partition and will be condemned to face a very powerful and grizzly foe to our north.

If important matters such as these are not handled with fair and democratic process, then this will only result in the destruction of many people's sensitivities, and the future unified Republic of Cyprus will not be able to stand on her own 2 feet. Things will become unworkable.

The same thing will occur if the new BBF does not have fair and democratic principles manifested upon the individual as opposed to 2 equal communities which will of course reduce the 82% majority to second tier citizenship under the RoC's constitution. Such a system I can never live under, and will most certainly abandon it by migrating to foreign shores.

You will then adopt another name - BURAK.

Do you mean Borat?

In my country we say to let a woman drive a car is like to let a monkey fly a plane, very dangerous yes.

In Turkish =Burak, Arabic= Buraq

Islamic mythological flying horse. (check 1001 Nights)

Most probably derived from Icarus!!

I did mean Buraq and not Borat.

I have come to the conclusion that some members on this forum also believe in mythological pigs that can fly....

Do you have many flying pigs on this forum as well? Or is this another Turkish Myth?

[AWE]

Deniz,

don't you mean Pegasus? Icarus flew too close to the Sun.

[Icarus]

Deniz,

don't you mean Pegasus? Icarus flew too close to the Sun.

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Burak must have been derived from Pegasus and not Icarus...

Are there any myths about flying pigs? If not, there should be!

[AWE]

what you mean Swine Flew!