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[Get Real!]

The Cyprus problem is not the anthem , but the TURKISH army. The only solution is for them to leave immediately together with their Turkish settlers !!

Everything else is poetry - Attilio Lazzarin

The Turkish army invaded on the 20th of July, but on the 15th someone else started the trouble first so get your facts right.

The Cyprus Problem is Greek nationalism and Turkish nationalism INTERFERING in a sovereign state.

If either of these countries had any respect for the Cypriot people they’d cut the crap and let them get on with their lives and sort out their affairs.

[Kifeas]

It is evident that the majority of Cypriots are partial to the current national anthem. And since this is the case, there is absolutely no need for it to change. The anthem itself was also writeen by a Cypriot so the Hymn to Liberty is as much Cypriot as it is Greek.

If you are telling me that the TCs also need to identify with the Cypriot National Anthem, then Turkey can perhaps show us the way by signing a new BBF agreement with the Kurdish minority and changing their national anthem so that the Kurds can also identify with it.

And perhaps when Cyprus is finally re-united under The Republic of Cyprus banner, then the TC minority may be able to introduce their own anthem within their own Federated State.

So you are saying that when a Cypriot sports national team will be playing international games, two anthems will be heard for Cyprus, instead of one which is the case with every other single nation in the world, and the same holds when a foreign political figurehead is visiting Cyprus on an official visit, or vice versa. Get serious man!!!

That is a possibilty. Or the current National Anthem can be combined and blended with another. I assume it would need to be cut down to the mandatory 45 seconds, but am unsure if that's the case.

So it will be half the Greek national anthem, and half the Turkish one!

[Icarus]

It is evident that the majority of Cypriots are partial to the current national anthem. And since this is the case, there is absolutely no need for it to change. The anthem itself was also writeen by a Cypriot so the Hymn to Liberty is as much Cypriot as it is Greek.

If you are telling me that the TCs also need to identify with the Cypriot National Anthem, then Turkey can perhaps show us the way by signing a new BBF agreement with the Kurdish minority and changing their national anthem so that the Kurds can also identify with it.

And perhaps when Cyprus is finally re-united under The Republic of Cyprus banner, then the TC minority may be able to introduce their own anthem within their own Federated State.

So you are saying that when a Cypriot sports national team will be playing international games, two anthems will be heard for Cyprus, instead of one which is the case with every other single nation in the world, and the same holds when a foreign political figurehead is visiting Cyprus on an official visit, or vice versa. Get serious man!!!

That is a possibilty. Or the current National Anthem can be combined and blended with another. I assume it would need to be cut down to the mandatory 45 seconds, but am unsure if that's the case.

So it will be half the Greek national anthem, and half the Turkish one!

This could be a possibility. But the way things are going between Greece and Turkey, it is quite feasible to think that the Cyprus Problem will be solved one way or another, and that Turkey will become an EU member and that Greece, Turkey and Cyprus will form a new alliance encompassing both military strategic interests and regional economic trade, development and cooperation agreements.

At the very least you would hope so, because if that is not the case then we are staring down the barrel of permanent partition and will be condemned to face a very powerful and grizzly foe to our north.

If important matters such as these are not handled with fair and democratic process, then this will only result in the destruction of many people's sensitivities, and the future unified Republic of Cyprus will not be able to stand on her own 2 feet. Things will become unworkable.

The same thing will occur if the new BBF does not have fair and democratic principles manifested upon the individual as opposed to 2 equal communities which will of course reduce the 82% majority to second tier citizenship under the RoC's constitution. Such a system I can never live under, and will most certainly abandon it by migrating to foreign shores.

[Talisker]

Having been to both Greece and Cyprus many times, it is strikingly evident as to the cultural similarities between the 2 nations.Quite clearly, most Cypriots are in favour of maintaining their national anthem, and their democratic free will should be respected. Just because Cyprus is being held at ransom by a foreign occupier does not mean there is justification in abandoning the national anthem.

So are the nations in south America with Spain or Portugal. They still have their own flags.

It is evident that the majority of Cypriots are partial to the current national anthem. And since this is the case, there is absolutely no need for it to change. The anthem itself was also writeen by a Cypriot so the Hymn to Liberty is as much Cypriot as it is Greek.

If you are telling me that the TCs also need to identify with the Cypriot National Anthem, then Turkey can perhaps show us the way by signing a new BBF agreement with the Kurdish minority and changing their national anthem so that the Kurds can also identify with it.

And perhaps when Cyprus is finally re-united under The Republic of Cyprus banner, then the TC minority may be able to introduce their own anthem within their own Federated State.

Icarus, you talk nonsense and you should know it. Re-uniting Cyprus into a BBF does not mean that the two federative states will be nations on their own. Cyprus will not cease to exist as one single nation, with a single sovereignty and one international representation, in the same way that the US has one national anthem and not 52 instead. In that sense and regardless of whether you like it or not, once a solution is agreed a Cyprus national anthem will have to be established, because this is what logic dictates! Therefore, stop wasting your time and energy on unfeasible and futile ideas.

I am well aware as to the sensitivities of the Cyprus Problem.

As most should know, if there is to be a solution to the Cyprus Problem, then as things stand today, the United Cyprus will be a BBF with a strong centralised and unifying Federal Government (I hope) with the nation itself being an adaptation of the present Republic of Cyprus and not a virgin birth of a new nation that is being talked about in Turkey.

This entity, which will be an adaptation of the Republic of Cyprus, will have one international representation but at the same time, logic would dictate the necessity to allow the majority of Cypriots to maintain their important symbols and anthems. If you would think a little laterally and with some logic, you would understand that it is possible for a nation to establish within its constitution more than one official language (Cyprus has 2) and establish 2 anthems that are acceptable to all. Of course this would mean that both anthems would need to be played (no huge drama) in accordance with state protocol.

The issue is, are both communities going to be responsible enough to allow the citizens of both ethnic communities the free will to maintain their own identity however should they desire. If this is not achieved, then it will result in many of the island's citizens being disgruntled.

So you are saying that when a Cypriot sports national team will be playing international games, two anthems will be heard for Cyprus, instead of one which is the case with every other single nation in the world, and the same holds when a foreign political figurehead is visiting Cyprus on an official visit, or vice versa. Get serious man!!!

Actually, there is a precedent for this. When the Irish rugby union team has a home match they play two anthems, "Ireland's Call" and "Amhrán na bhFiann", plus another for the opposition. The tactic works well! As good hosts, they politely allow the opposition out on to the pitch first, usually, this being Dublin, into a torrential downpour and howling gale, wait themselves in the changing room for another five minutes, then emerge from the tunnel. The opposition anthem is then played, followed by the Irish anthems, which though both rousing, appear to take an age. By this time the opposition are freezing cold, muscles seized up, and psychologically at a disadvantage. No wonder Ireland are current 6 nations champions, and indeed won the Grand Slam this year. Nothing to do with the rugby, just the double anthem!

[denizaksulu]

It is evident that the majority of Cypriots are partial to the current national anthem. And since this is the case, there is absolutely no need for it to change. The anthem itself was also writeen by a Cypriot so the Hymn to Liberty is as much Cypriot as it is Greek.

If you are telling me that the TCs also need to identify with the Cypriot National Anthem, then Turkey can perhaps show us the way by signing a new BBF agreement with the Kurdish minority and changing their national anthem so that the Kurds can also identify with it.

And perhaps when Cyprus is finally re-united under The Republic of Cyprus banner, then the TC minority may be able to introduce their own anthem within their own Federated State.

So you are saying that when a Cypriot sports national team will be playing international games, two anthems will be heard for Cyprus, instead of one which is the case with every other single nation in the world, and the same holds when a foreign political figurehead is visiting Cyprus on an official visit, or vice versa. Get serious man!!!

That is a possibilty. Or the current National Anthem can be combined and blended with another. I assume it would need to be cut down to the mandatory 45 seconds, but am unsure if that's the case.

So it will be half the Greek national anthem, and half the Turkish one!

This could be a possibility. But the way things are going between Greece and Turkey, it is quite feasible to think that the Cyprus Problem will be solved one way or another, and that Turkey will become an EU member and that Greece, Turkey and Cyprus will form a new alliance encompassing both military strategic interests and regional economic trade, development and cooperation agreements.

At the very least you would hope so, because if that is not the case then we are staring down the barrel of permanent partition and will be condemned to face a very powerful and grizzly foe to our north.

If important matters such as these are not handled with fair and democratic process, then this will only result in the destruction of many people's sensitivities, and the future unified Republic of Cyprus will not be able to stand on her own 2 feet. Things will become unworkable.

The same thing will occur if the new BBF does not have fair and democratic principles manifested upon the individual as opposed to 2 equal communities which will of course reduce the 82% majority to second tier citizenship under the RoC's constitution. Such a system I can never live under, and will most certainly abandon it by migrating to foreign shores.

You will then adopt another name - BURAK.

[Icarus]

It is evident that the majority of Cypriots are partial to the current national anthem. And since this is the case, there is absolutely no need for it to change. The anthem itself was also writeen by a Cypriot so the Hymn to Liberty is as much Cypriot as it is Greek.

If you are telling me that the TCs also need to identify with the Cypriot National Anthem, then Turkey can perhaps show us the way by signing a new BBF agreement with the Kurdish minority and changing their national anthem so that the Kurds can also identify with it.

And perhaps when Cyprus is finally re-united under The Republic of Cyprus banner, then the TC minority may be able to introduce their own anthem within their own Federated State.

So you are saying that when a Cypriot sports national team will be playing international games, two anthems will be heard for Cyprus, instead of one which is the case with every other single nation in the world, and the same holds when a foreign political figurehead is visiting Cyprus on an official visit, or vice versa. Get serious man!!!

That is a possibilty. Or the current National Anthem can be combined and blended with another. I assume it would need to be cut down to the mandatory 45 seconds, but am unsure if that's the case.

So it will be half the Greek national anthem, and half the Turkish one!

This could be a possibility. But the way things are going between Greece and Turkey, it is quite feasible to think that the Cyprus Problem will be solved one way or another, and that Turkey will become an EU member and that Greece, Turkey and Cyprus will form a new alliance encompassing both military strategic interests and regional economic trade, development and cooperation agreements.

At the very least you would hope so, because if that is not the case then we are staring down the barrel of permanent partition and will be condemned to face a very powerful and grizzly foe to our north.

If important matters such as these are not handled with fair and democratic process, then this will only result in the destruction of many people's sensitivities, and the future unified Republic of Cyprus will not be able to stand on her own 2 feet. Things will become unworkable.

The same thing will occur if the new BBF does not have fair and democratic principles manifested upon the individual as opposed to 2 equal communities which will of course reduce the 82% majority to second tier citizenship under the RoC's constitution. Such a system I can never live under, and will most certainly abandon it by migrating to foreign shores.

You will then adopt another name - BURAK.

Do you mean Borat?

In my country we say to let a woman drive a car is like to let a monkey fly a plane, very dangerous yes.

[Byron]

Having been to both Greece and Cyprus many times, it is strikingly evident as to the cultural similarities between the 2 nations.Quite clearly, most Cypriots are in favour of maintaining their national anthem, and their democratic free will should be respected. Just because Cyprus is being held at ransom by a foreign occupier does not mean there is justification in abandoning the national anthem.

So are the nations in south America with Spain or Portugal. They still have their own flags.

Regarding the flag of the Cyprus it represents the Cyprus Republic politically. The Greek flag however represents the GREEK COMMUNITY in CYPRUS and the CHURCH.

As with the anthem, I suggested something on the lines you mentioned, but there are those who do not want to afford the same to the Turkish Cypriot community. Are you one of those, that believe in Cyprus for the Greek speakers alone?

The majority of nations have ethnic minority communities so why should Cyprus be different. In fact the Cyprus constitution recognises in writing the existence of the Turkish Community and its own anthem.

Many believe the old constitution to be dead and buried. We are talking of a New Cyprus, hopefully without any external interference, where all Cyps will live in peace 'sort of' together.

If the old constitution is dead why is it that members such as Miltiades and Get Real advocate for its return ? Are they just in the minority or is there another twist to the tale ?

[Byron]

The Cyprus problem is not the anthem , but the TURKISH army. The only solution is for them to leave immediately together with their Turkish settlers !!

Everything else is poetry - Attilio Lazzarin

The Turkish army invaded on the 20th of July, but on the 15th someone else started the trouble first so get your facts right.

The Cyprus Problem is Greek nationalism and Turkish nationalism INTERFERING in a sovereign state.




If either of these countries had any respect for the Cypriot people they’d cut the crap and let them get on with their lives and sort out their affairs.

By deduction you are happy for the Turkish army to stay in Cyprus. If you had undestood Cyprus politics at the time you would have realised that there was no stopping the 15 July but then you were not born then to visually see things , good job for you there is wilkipedia. The Cyprus problem goes back to 1960 as the British created a " pseudo -state " called the ROC. The Cypriots had no choice either take it or leave it, and since it appeared as independence they took it with all eventual consequences. Nothing to do with GREECE.

[miltiades]

Having been to both Greece and Cyprus many times, it is strikingly evident as to the cultural similarities between the 2 nations.Quite clearly, most Cypriots are in favour of maintaining their national anthem, and their democratic free will should be respected. Just because Cyprus is being held at ransom by a foreign occupier does not mean there is justification in abandoning the national anthem.

So are the nations in south America with Spain or Portugal. They still have their own flags.

Regarding the flag of the Cyprus it represents the Cyprus Republic politically. The Greek flag however represents the GREEK COMMUNITY in CYPRUS and the CHURCH.

It's all these "clever" representations that fucked up this country.

The sooner people realize that Greece & Turkey are the Cyprus problem the sooner the problem will be removed via a unanimous rejection of both these cockroaches.

Again I have to agree with GR !!!

[miltiades]

Having been to both Greece and Cyprus many times, it is strikingly evident as to the cultural similarities between the 2 nations.Quite clearly, most Cypriots are in favour of maintaining their national anthem, and their democratic free will should be respected. Just because Cyprus is being held at ransom by a foreign occupier does not mean there is justification in abandoning the national anthem.

So are the nations in south America with Spain or Portugal. They still have their own flags.

It is evident that the majority of Cypriots are partial to the current national anthem. And since this is the case, there is absolutely no need for it to change. The anthem itself was also writeen by a Cypriot so the Hymn to Liberty is as much Cypriot as it is Greek.

If you are telling me that the TCs also need to identify with the Cypriot National Anthem, then Turkey can perhaps show us the way by signing a new BBF agreement with the Kurdish minority and changing their national anthem so that the Kurds can also identify with it.

And perhaps when Cyprus is finally re-united under The Republic of Cyprus banner, then the TC minority may be able to introduce their own anthem within their own Federated State.

Icarus, you talk nonsense and you should know it. Re-uniting Cyprus into a BBF does not mean that the two federative states will be nations on their own. Cyprus will not cease to exist as one single nation, with a single sovereignty and one international representation, in the same way that the US has one national anthem and not 52 instead. In that sense and regardless of whether you like it or not, once a solution is agreed a Cyprus national anthem will have to be established, because this is what logic dictates! Therefore, stop wasting your time and energy on unfeasible and futile ideas.

Entirely agree with Kifeas that logic dictates that once a solution is agreed upon a Cypriot anthem would have to replace the Greek one.