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[miltiades]

if we were to accept our independent status in the world , [Greece and Turkey] are foreign countries by definition .

What independent status in the world? Have you forgotten the Treaty of Guarantee? This treaty (despite its language) explicitly denies the independence of Cyprus.

What on earth are you talking about. Are you suggesting that Cyprus , a UN and an EU member state is NOT AN INDEPENDENT STATE ???
Which part of the Zurich agreement denies Cyprus's independence !!

[Oracle]

Would it be perhaps the fact that I put two fingers up to Greece , just as I do to Turkey ...

Satisfying your desire to stick two fingers up at anyone seems more important to you than using some logic by which to discriminate who is more deserving of this brave and worthwhile contribution!

What are the premises from which you draw such conclusions, confused contributor?

I asked you once whether you were a moral rationalist or a moral traditionalist, and your answer revealed the magnitude of your lack of logic. Yet, you bumble on wasting everyone's time with deficient reasoning powers.

If you continue to treat an ally (Greece) the same as an enemy occupant (Turkey), then it's time you were sanctioned to a retirement home for failed Napoleons.

[james_mav]

if we were to accept our independent status in the world , [Greece and Turkey] are foreign countries by definition .

What independent status in the world? Have you forgotten the Treaty of Guarantee? This treaty (despite its language) explicitly denies the independence of Cyprus.

What on earth are you talking about. Are you suggesting that Cyprus , a UN and an EU member state is NOT AN INDEPENDENT STATE ???
Which part of the Zurich agreement denies Cyprus's independence !!

Please spare us your usual bullshit rhetoric and find me a legal definition of an "independent state".

The Treaty of Guarantee of 1960 between Greece, Cyprus, the United Kingdom, and tourkomogolistan both:
(1) prohibits the Republic of Cyprus from even participating in any kind of political or economic union, and
(2) gives the legal right to third parties (Greece, the United Kingdom, and tourkomongolistan) to intervene militarily in order to maintain the status quo.

When a nation must first gain agreement from three other sovereign states before it can freely exercise rights normally available to independent sovereign states (namely, the right to decide to participate in a political or economic union), that nation can not be thought of as independent of those three other sovereign states. Ergo, Cyprus was not independent of Greece, the United Kingdom, and tourkomongolistan.

And in case there was any doubt, this same treaty established the legal right for those three powers to intervene militarily in order to maintain the status quo. Again, this is not something an independent, sovereign nation is normally subject to. Sure, a third party can intervene in the affairs of another country militarily, but can you think of a case in which a sovereign, independent state has by treaty granted the right of intervention to multiple third parties?

According to this treaty, the Republic of Cyprus is even less independent of the UK, Greece, and tourkomongolistan than what say East Germany was independent of the USSR prior to 1990.

Ok, I've explained why I think Cyprus is not independent. With reference to this treaty, or any other, please explain to me why I am wrong.

[DT.]

if we were to accept our independent status in the world , [Greece and Turkey] are foreign countries by definition .

What independent status in the world? Have you forgotten the Treaty of Guarantee? This treaty (despite its language) explicitly denies the independence of Cyprus.

What on earth are you talking about. Are you suggesting that Cyprus , a UN and an EU member state is NOT AN INDEPENDENT STATE ???
Which part of the Zurich agreement denies Cyprus's independence !!

Please spare us your usual bullshit rhetoric and find me a legal definition of an "independent state".

The Treaty of Guarantee of 1960 between Greece, Cyprus, the United Kingdom, and tourkomogolistan both:
(1) prohibits the Republic of Cyprus from even participating in any kind of political or economic union, and
(2) gives the legal right to third parties (Greece, the United Kingdom, and tourkomongolistan) to intervene militarily in order to maintain the status quo.

When a nation must first gain agreement from three other sovereign states before it can freely exercise rights normally available to independent sovereign states (namely, the right to decide to participate in a political or economic union), that nation can not be thought of as independent of those three other sovereign states. Ergo, Cyprus was not independent of Greece, the United Kingdom, and tourkomongolistan.

And in case there was any doubt, this same treaty established the legal right for those three powers to intervene militarily in order to maintain the status quo. Again, this is not something an independent, sovereign nation is normally subject to. Sure, a third party can intervene in the affairs of another country militarily, but can you think of a case in which a sovereign, independent state has by treaty granted the right of intervention to multiple third parties?

According to this treaty, the Republic of Cyprus is even less independent of the UK, Greece, and tourkomongolistan than what say East Germany was independent of the USSR prior to 1990.

Ok, I've explained why I think Cyprus is not independent. With reference to this treaty, or any other, please explain to me why I am wrong.

Its like playing marbles on a ship in choppy seas. By the time you manage to catch one of the marbles rolling off the bow the other one's already rolled off the stern.

[YFred]

if we were to accept our independent status in the world , [Greece and Turkey] are foreign countries by definition .

What independent status in the world? Have you forgotten the Treaty of Guarantee? This treaty (despite its language) explicitly denies the independence of Cyprus.

What on earth are you talking about. Are you suggesting that Cyprus , a UN and an EU member state is NOT AN INDEPENDENT STATE ???
Which part of the Zurich agreement denies Cyprus's independence !!

Please spare us your usual bullshit rhetoric and find me a legal definition of an "independent state".

The Treaty of Guarantee of 1960 between Greece, Cyprus, the United Kingdom, and tourkomogolistan both:
(1) prohibits the Republic of Cyprus from even participating in any kind of political or economic union, and
(2) gives the legal right to third parties (Greece, the United Kingdom, and tourkomongolistan) to intervene militarily in order to maintain the status quo.

When a nation must first gain agreement from three other sovereign states before it can freely exercise rights normally available to independent sovereign states (namely, the right to decide to participate in a political or economic union), that nation can not be thought of as independent of those three other sovereign states. Ergo, Cyprus was not independent of Greece, the United Kingdom, and tourkomongolistan.

And in case there was any doubt, this same treaty established the legal right for those three powers to intervene militarily in order to maintain the status quo. Again, this is not something an independent, sovereign nation is normally subject to. Sure, a third party can intervene in the affairs of another country militarily, but can you think of a case in which a sovereign, independent state has by treaty granted the right of intervention to multiple third parties?

According to this treaty, the Republic of Cyprus is even less independent of the UK, Greece, and tourkomongolistan than what say East Germany was independent of the USSR prior to 1990.

Ok, I've explained why I think Cyprus is not independent. With reference to this treaty, or any other, please explain to me why I am wrong.

Its like playing marbles on a ship in choppy seas. By the time you manage to catch one of the marbles rolling off the bow the other one's already rolled off the stern.

Is that what the officers in the GC Navy get up to, play pirilluga on deck?

[DT.]

if we were to accept our independent status in the world , [Greece and Turkey] are foreign countries by definition .

What independent status in the world? Have you forgotten the Treaty of Guarantee? This treaty (despite its language) explicitly denies the independence of Cyprus.

What on earth are you talking about. Are you suggesting that Cyprus , a UN and an EU member state is NOT AN INDEPENDENT STATE ???
Which part of the Zurich agreement denies Cyprus's independence !!

Please spare us your usual bullshit rhetoric and find me a legal definition of an "independent state".

The Treaty of Guarantee of 1960 between Greece, Cyprus, the United Kingdom, and tourkomogolistan both:
(1) prohibits the Republic of Cyprus from even participating in any kind of political or economic union, and
(2) gives the legal right to third parties (Greece, the United Kingdom, and tourkomongolistan) to intervene militarily in order to maintain the status quo.

When a nation must first gain agreement from three other sovereign states before it can freely exercise rights normally available to independent sovereign states (namely, the right to decide to participate in a political or economic union), that nation can not be thought of as independent of those three other sovereign states. Ergo, Cyprus was not independent of Greece, the United Kingdom, and tourkomongolistan.

And in case there was any doubt, this same treaty established the legal right for those three powers to intervene militarily in order to maintain the status quo. Again, this is not something an independent, sovereign nation is normally subject to. Sure, a third party can intervene in the affairs of another country militarily, but can you think of a case in which a sovereign, independent state has by treaty granted the right of intervention to multiple third parties?

According to this treaty, the Republic of Cyprus is even less independent of the UK, Greece, and tourkomongolistan than what say East Germany was independent of the USSR prior to 1990.

Ok, I've explained why I think Cyprus is not independent. With reference to this treaty, or any other, please explain to me why I am wrong.

Its like playing marbles on a ship in choppy seas. By the time you manage to catch one of the marbles rolling off the bow the other one's already rolled off the stern.

Is that what the officers in the GC Navy get up to, play pirilluga on deck?

I see you're in extra sharp form today Freddy.

[Byron]

if we were to accept our independent status in the world , [Greece and Turkey] are foreign countries by definition .

What independent status in the world? Have you forgotten the Treaty of Guarantee? This treaty (despite its language) explicitly denies the independence of Cyprus.

What on earth are you talking about. Are you suggesting that Cyprus , a UN and an EU member state is NOT AN INDEPENDENT STATE ???
Which part of the Zurich agreement denies Cyprus's independence !!

Please spare us your usual bullshit rhetoric and find me a legal definition of an "independent state".

The Treaty of Guarantee of 1960 between Greece, Cyprus, the United Kingdom, and tourkomogolistan both:
(1) prohibits the Republic of Cyprus from even participating in any kind of political or economic union, and
(2) gives the legal right to third parties (Greece, the United Kingdom, and tourkomongolistan) to intervene militarily in order to maintain the status quo.

When a nation must first gain agreement from three other sovereign states before it can freely exercise rights normally available to independent sovereign states (namely, the right to decide to participate in a political or economic union), that nation can not be thought of as independent of those three other sovereign states. Ergo, Cyprus was not independent of Greece, the United Kingdom, and tourkomongolistan.

And in case there was any doubt, this same treaty established the legal right for those three powers to intervene militarily in order to maintain the status quo. Again, this is not something an independent, sovereign nation is normally subject to. Sure, a third party can intervene in the affairs of another country militarily, but can you think of a case in which a sovereign, independent state has by treaty granted the right of intervention to multiple third parties?

According to this treaty, the Republic of Cyprus is even less independent of the UK, Greece, and tourkomongolistan than what say East Germany was independent of the USSR prior to 1990.

Ok, I've explained why I think Cyprus is not independent. With reference to this treaty, or any other, please explain to me why I am wrong.

James, I think you have finally silenced the neo -cypriot anti-hellenic propaganda boys. Good post.

[Get Real!]

(1) prohibits the Republic of Cyprus from even participating in any kind of political or economic union,...

Then how do you explain Cyprus's entry into the mother of political and economic unions, the EU?

[Byron]

(1) prohibits the Republic of Cyprus from even participating in any kind of political or economic union,...

Then how do you explain Cyprus's entry into the mother of political and economic unions, the EU?

With the approval of GREECE !!!!

[Get Real!]

(1) prohibits the Republic of Cyprus from even participating in any kind of political or economic union,...

Then how do you explain Cyprus's entry into the mother of political and economic unions, the EU?

With the approval of GREECE !!!!

Was there the approval of Turkey who was also a "guarantor" you stupid fuck?