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[Oracle]

I'm really proud of the GC refugees who have not sought a quick fix solution and are holding out, like the rest of us luckier ones, for a proper solution for Cyprus. This has all the hallmarks of coming to fruition and I hope for those courageous, selfless GC refugees, it comes sooner rather than later.

But, the Turks will go and normality will return, and the TCs who want to be a part of civilisation will have to abandon their artificial, illegal, hedonistic, unrealistic lifestyles of the last 35 years, return the properties to the rightful owners and go back to their well-looked after homes, scattered almost randomly over the Island so that we can have a regular EU country ...

[Icarus]

Viewpoint wrote:

"You conveniently forget that we represent 50% of the say in any new agreement and without our backing you have no deal...so you should review your attitude as we to not only the GCs have to be persuaded to back a new plan and with the omission of 2 states you will not get the TC backing without which you are back to sqaure one. You belittle and underestimate the TCs but you did the same in 1963 to 1974 and look what happened there."

VP, let’s not try to fool each other, more so your own selves! It is well understood that any solution Talat will be allowed by Turkey and will also be able to reach with Christofias, will go down on you, regardless of whether the majority of you will or will not like it! It will be forced down on you by Turkey, no matter what, for it is Turkey's interests that are and will be at stake. See what happened with Eroglou grey wolf oglan, when he visited Erdogan in Turkey the other day. He told him to shut up, behave and obey, and this is precisely what Turkey will also tell you (TC community) should it realize that you may turn down a deal that Turkey has approved.

You have no voice, you have no independence and you have no free will! You are just a creation of Turkey, and as Turkey had built you, Turkey is able to demolish you within a second of a minute. Your only chance to gain a relative voice and a relative free will is only if a solution in Cyprus will be achieved, and your community returns back to the EU member Republic of Cyprus. And no, there can never be a solution on the basis of a virgin-birth and two founding states! It will only be a solution based on the evolution of the RoC, from a unitary bi-communal state into a federative bi-zonal and bi-communal state. Whether you like it or not, this is the only single international reality, and the only one the whole of the international community understands and accepts. Stop wasting your time and energy on unfeasible, meaningless and diluted ideas.

I will need to concur with the above and also state that many things are starting to change. Since the TCs are a minority within their bogus "TRNC", they will not be the one's making any decision. Turkey holds the reigns firmly within her hands, and as she closes more EU chapters in the future, there will be more and more incentive for her to reform and also solve the Cyprus Problem in accordance with what is already being discussed - A BBF RoC with one citizenship, one sovereignty and one international persona and not a virgin birth concept dished out to the Turkish Media in order to appease Turkey's rampant nationalists.

How many chapters has Turkey actually closed? how many ports has she opened? you are only deluding yourselves the leverage you sold your souls for no longer works.

Don't be so shortsighted!

Turkey has closed one chapter and is about to close another.

The December Progress assessment will be quite damning of Turkey, and things should gather pace from there. You are deluding yourself to think that the industrialised world will forego Cypriot Oil and Gas resources so that Turkey can still maintain its occupation.

In the end, Turkey will face reality. The TCs already are facing the reality that they have lost their say and influence. If only you were all much wiser and looked beyond the short term cash influx of selling stolen properties.

1 chapter in 5 years, you do the maths....34 x 5 another 170 years and you just might have some leverage.

What will it take for you to see how wrong you really are when in December the EU skirt around the Turkish issues and declare the steps that need to be taken extending the time period..the EU just like the "RoC" has no back bone and is all talk..lets see if they can make Turkey do what they want...Turkey will firstly ask the EU to make good on their own promises and then take the necessary steps to fulfill her own.

You appear to be the one who needs to wake up if Turkey backs what we believe then she is our voice and we have no problem with that, you appear to be more concerned than we do.

No, not all chapters will take 5 years. Many will close only weeks apart and some good progress has been made in many chapters.

Turkey already has fulfilled most of the criteria within each opened chapter. Only few issues remain. Some chapters will of course not open at all, until there is a solution to the Cyprus Problem.

The December progress meeting will be quite scathing. Most progress reports are.

You will also notice that there will be many positives that will come out of the December progress meeting just like there was in the last progress meeting..

Turkey won't need more time for EU accession. The whole thing will be done and dusted within 10-15 years.

Cyprus with her 6 MEP's has little influence. But these 6 MEP's do form alliances with other EU power blocks which in the end gives them much greater influence. The RoC does not need any more influence, because her veto rights give the RoC all the influence it requires as far as Turkey's EU accession is concerned. It is this veto Turkey is more worried about and certainly not the French or German veto right.

If France or Germany were going to veto Turkey's accession then they would have prevented the openning of the EU Acquis Chapters. As we all know, only 8 chapters remain closed with Turkey attempting to fulfill the criteria of the remaining chapters.

The below link is interesting reading and denotes Turkey's last EU accession progress report issued in November 2008.

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/pre ... ort_en.pdf

[Icarus]

For Turkey to join the EU all member states must give its approval. Majority voting has not yet been introduced on such important legislation. When one founder member France is openly against Turkish membership and another Italy ( Lega Party ) last week during Euro Elections stated the same confirms that it will be very difficult for Turkey to join the EU. France and Italy are protecting their own interests not that of ROC.

Therefore, Turkey will continue to stall on finding a solution for Cyprus because they know the final result .

You are now stating the obvious.

Opposition to Turkey's EU accession is easily circumvented. When other's start throwing their weight around (Who are not even EU members btw), then you will see the Viva Le Francais back flip of the century. You will never see so many French back flips and retreats since WW2....

It is not just the French you need to worry about, all EU members are practically anti Turkey joining the EU and that is a fact. It is better you stay in your own backyard.

Really? How so?

You have anything else to offer?

So you are saying that all 27 EU members are dead against Turkey's accession are you?

Face the facts my Turkish friend. Turkey will achieve EU accession once there is a solution to the Cyprus Problem.

[DT.]

Whats with the funny name re Paphiti? Going all classical on us?

[Icarus]

Whats with the funny name re Paphiti? Going all classical on us?

How very dissapointing!

Sorry to disappoint you too. But I think you have got your wires crossed.

What on earth makes you think that I'm Paphitis? Don't tell me it is my nick, because that is purely coincidental.

I won't be a party to any forum allegiances or personal attacks. I prefer to attack the content, and not the poster.

[DT.]

Whats with the funny name re Paphiti? Going all classical on us?

Sorry to disappoint you. But I think you have got your wires crossed.

What on earth makes you think that I'm Paphitis? Don't tell me it is my nick, because that is purely coincidental.

my bad...

[Oracle]

Whats with the funny name re Paphiti? Going all classical on us?

Sorry to disappoint you. But I think you have got your wires crossed.

What on earth makes you think that I'm Paphitis? Don't tell me it is my nick, because that is purely coincidental.

my bad...

Reh DT. .... how can you insult poor Paphitis by confusing him with Andros oopps I mean Icarus

[DT.]

Whats with the funny name re Paphiti? Going all classical on us?

Sorry to disappoint you. But I think you have got your wires crossed.

What on earth makes you think that I'm Paphitis? Don't tell me it is my nick, because that is purely coincidental.

my bad...

Reh DT. .... how can you insult poor Paphitis by confusing him with Andros oopps I mean Icarus

Its the flying gimmick that got me confused.

[Paphitis]

Whats with the funny name re Paphiti? Going all classical on us?

Yeh right boofhead...

If I wanted an alias I would not pick Icarus or anything related to flying.

[DT.]

Whats with the funny name re Paphiti? Going all classical on us?

Yeh right boofhead...

If I wanted an alias I would not pick Icarus or anything related to flying.

The "its so obvious why would I do it?" argument is the best way to go re bizelli.