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[boulio]

110,000 to return under g/c administration?does anyone remeber what the number was in the final verision of annan 5

[Kikapu]

110,000 to return under g/c administration?does anyone remeber what the number was in the final verision of annan 5

About 150,000 thousand, but not all with their land, since most of their land would have remained in the north state with no right of return. The issue is not the number of GC's that would become part of the south state, but rather how much of their land will come with them into the south state.!

[bill cobbett]

The numbers are important cos the totals are made up of individuals, each and every single one with individual property and other rights.

Pres X mate/matess, what was it you were telling us a few weeks ago? Wasn't it that the property rights of all would be respected?

Mr Pres, do you also remember what the EU has said? Didn't it say No Derogations? That applies to you as well as to our tissy friend Talat.

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

What are your thoughts on where the carpetbaggers and "colonists" should go, VP? They would not be welcome in land returned to the ROC.

If born and raised here then we have no option but to rehouse these people in the TC state and hand back GC property in the land given returned to the GC state as they would neither want to reside there.

So, what about those who were not born and raised in Cyprus? What about the British Carpetbaggers, where will they go?

If these people have been here more than 10/15 years then they should be allowed to stay anyone else should be given permission like the Brits to reside here but only made a citizien if they meet the criteria as seen fit by the 2 states at the federal level. Dont forget these "carpetbaggers" as you call them are EU citizens, what do you do with the thousands you have residing in the GC south?

The EU citizens in the ROC are not living in stolen property. PS nice too see you using your real screen name.

[Kikapu]

According to today's headlines on Phileleftheros
Christofias has presented plans regarding the return of 110,000 refugees to the South state of a future federation. The areas included in the return amongst others are Salamina, Apostolos Andreas and Apostolos Barnabas.

Talat has responded by stating that there will have to be strong financial incentives for the TC's involved in the move.

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Why would the TC's needs to be given any financial incentive to move to the north state. Why can't they just stay as they are and be part of the south state, as long as they are not occupying anyone else’s property. They will still be living in their country of Cyprus. There will be many more GC's who will have their properties left in the north state, therefore they too not need to be given financial incentives to move to the south state. But if Talat is asking for the TC's to be paid so that they can be part of the north state, the GC's in the north state may also want the same deal so that they can be part of the south state. But to simplify matters, why not allow TC's and GC's who own their properties but do not want to live in the north or the south, then let them sell it and move to where ever they want to go and live. It is non of anyone's business really, unless Talat is talking about giving huge financial incentives to those who do not own the property they are currently occupying, i.e., most of the settlers. As for the settlers in the GC's properties, something will need to be paid to repatriate them with their motherland, but who will pay them is open to discussion. As for all the other foreign nationals who are now occupying GC properties with fake deeds, will need to vacate these properties ASAP without any condition or compensation.!

If the regions stated are returned the majority of TCs will not want to live in the GC state so they will try to sell their properties and move into the TC state so the sudden drop in prices in the GC state due to a flood of properties being placed on the market and the high demand increasing prices in the TC state will cause finanical differencies which need ot be addressed as these people are being forced to move due to political decisions.

I don't think you can count on the above to happen the way you see it, since for every action, there is often an equal reaction. If TC's sell up their properties in the regions you are referring to and move to the north, it will hardly cause a major price reduction in property values in the south, just because, there may be just as many GC's who would either sell or rent out their properties in the north and buy or rent into the properties left behind by the TC's in what would become part of the south state. It will be like a water finding it's own level. Therefore I do not expect to see too much property price fluctuations in the north or the south due to movement of individuals in large numbers, other than the initial spike upwards for all the property prices in the north once an agreeable settlement has been reached. After that initial price spike in the north, it will all even out by itself.

But if the TC's own their own properties in these regions and are in a position to sell and move to the north state, then just who is Talat talking about that should be financially compensated to move to the north.? Is he talking about compensating those who are occupying GC properties right now and do not own any properties in the south pre '74, or anyone who is occupying GC properties but have given their deeds to their properties to the "trnc" and will not be able to get it back, therefore such persons should get compensation while the "trnc" keeps their pre '74 properties in the south to trade them off with the RoC for more land for the north state. If the latter is the case, then what Talat is then saying to the RoC is, "Heads I win, Tails you lose".! I would also like to know just who is suppose to compensate whom here.?

[Viewpoint]

According to today's headlines on Phileleftheros
Christofias has presented plans regarding the return of 110,000 refugees to the South state of a future federation. The areas included in the return amongst others are Salamina, Apostolos Andreas and Apostolos Barnabas.

Talat has responded by stating that there will have to be strong financial incentives for the TC's involved in the move.

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Why would the TC's needs to be given any financial incentive to move to the north state. Why can't they just stay as they are and be part of the south state, as long as they are not occupying anyone else’s property. They will still be living in their country of Cyprus. There will be many more GC's who will have their properties left in the north state, therefore they too not need to be given financial incentives to move to the south state. But if Talat is asking for the TC's to be paid so that they can be part of the north state, the GC's in the north state may also want the same deal so that they can be part of the south state. But to simplify matters, why not allow TC's and GC's who own their properties but do not want to live in the north or the south, then let them sell it and move to where ever they want to go and live. It is non of anyone's business really, unless Talat is talking about giving huge financial incentives to those who do not own the property they are currently occupying, i.e., most of the settlers. As for the settlers in the GC's properties, something will need to be paid to repatriate them with their motherland, but who will pay them is open to discussion. As for all the other foreign nationals who are now occupying GC properties with fake deeds, will need to vacate these properties ASAP without any condition or compensation.!

If the regions stated are returned the majority of TCs will not want to live in the GC state so they will try to sell their properties and move into the TC state so the sudden drop in prices in the GC state due to a flood of properties being placed on the market and the high demand increasing prices in the TC state will cause finanical differencies which need ot be addressed as these people are being forced to move due to political decisions.

I don't think you can count on the above to happen the way you see it, since for every action, there is often an equal reaction. If TC's sell up their properties in the regions you are referring to and move to the north, it will hardly cause a major price reduction in property values in the south, just because, there may be just as many GC's who would either sell or rent out their properties in the north and buy or rent into the properties left behind by the TC's in what would become part of the south state. It will be like a water finding it's own level. Therefore I do not expect to see too much property price fluctuations in the north or the south due to movement of individuals in large numbers, other than the initial spike upwards for all the property prices in the north once an agreeable settlement has been reached. After that initial price spike in the north, it will all even out by itself.

But if the TC's own their own properties in these regions and are in a position to sell and move to the north state, then just who is Talat talking about that should be financially compensated to move to the north.? Is he talking about compensating those who are occupying GC properties right now and do not own any properties in the south pre '74, or anyone who is occupying GC properties but have given their deeds to their properties to the "trnc" and will not be able to get it back, therefore such persons should get compensation while the "trnc" keeps their pre '74 properties in the south to trade them off with the RoC for more land for the north state. If the latter is the case, then what Talat is then saying to the RoC is, "Heads I win, Tails you lose".! I would also like to know just who is suppose to compensate whom here.?

Kikapu you are speculating which confirms no one knows for sure how the property market will react in the areas returned to the GCs when TCs start to sell up and try to move to the TC state in significant numbers, normally when there is a sudden surplus of property for sale on the market and the desire to get out as soon as possible prices will drop of course the GCs will benefit from cheeaper properties. We only hope the GC will do the same in the north but knowing GCs they will keep hold of their properties to use as a weapon at a later date to gain some sort of control over the TC state which is why safeguards are a vital part of any new agreement to stop such actions which would be catastrophic.

The funding necessary will to to relocate TCs who were residing in GC property so as to provide an alternative to being forced to move south, many will of course have land in the south which they can sell off but as I mentioned before the value will drop due to the sudden surge of properties available in the GC state.

The full details we hear will start to be shared around Septemeber so we will have a better understanding of how it will all work if we say yes.

[bill cobbett]

Isn't this a strange list?

Ap Andreas, Ap Barnabas and Salamina? Hardly great centres of population.

[DT.]

Isn't this a strange list?

Ap Andreas, Ap Barnabas and Salamina? Hardly great centres of population.

sentimental and religious value for the GC's.

[bill cobbett]

Isn't this a strange list?

Ap Andreas, Ap Barnabas and Salamina? Hardly great centres of population.

sentimental and religious value for the GC's.

Fair enough mate but would have been nice to see Lapithos, Morphou etc etc in this list.

[Kikapu]

The numbers are important cos the totals are made up of individuals, each and every single one with individual property and other rights.

The numbers only matter on how much land comes with them into the south state. For instance, all of the 180,000 GC refugees are in the south now but ZERO of their properties are in the south state. This is the point I was trying to make.

Pres X mate/matess, what was it you were telling us a few weeks ago? Wasn't it that the property rights of all would be respected?

I don't think Christofias has backed away from that statement, Bill. What he said was, if I understood him correctly, that 110,000 GC's would be in the south state (with their land presumably) while the remaining 70,000 GC's will remain in the north state, again, with their land presumably. The 70,000 GC can of course remain in the south state, but their land will remain in the north. It does not mean however that they will lose their land in the north, since they will maintain ownership of their land where ever possible no matter if they choose to live in the north or the south. The same will apply to the TC’s also, of course.!

Mr Pres, do you also remember what the EU has said? Didn't it say No Derogations? That applies to you as well as to our tissy friend Talat.

Again, I don't think Christofias has backed away from his commitment on the EU derogations, other than what he accepted in the past, that there will be some derogations made on certain issues during the transitional period, how ever long that may be, because we don't know yet.