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[Kikapu]

According to today's headlines on Phileleftheros
Christofias has presented plans regarding the return of 110,000 refugees to the South state of a future federation. The areas included in the return amongst others are Salamina, Apostolos Andreas and Apostolos Barnabas.

Talat has responded by stating that there will have to be strong financial incentives for the TC's involved in the move.

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Why would the TC's needs to be given any financial incentive to move to the north state. Why can't they just stay as they are and be part of the south state, as long as they are not occupying anyone else’s property. They will still be living in their country of Cyprus. There will be many more GC's who will have their properties left in the north state, therefore they too not need to be given financial incentives to move to the south state. But if Talat is asking for the TC's to be paid so that they can be part of the north state, the GC's in the north state may also want the same deal so that they can be part of the south state. But to simplify matters, why not allow TC's and GC's who own their properties but do not want to live in the north or the south, then let them sell it and move to where ever they want to go and live. It is non of anyone's business really, unless Talat is talking about giving huge financial incentives to those who do not own the property they are currently occupying, i.e., most of the settlers. As for the settlers in the GC's properties, something will need to be paid to repatriate them with their motherland, but who will pay them is open to discussion. As for all the other foreign nationals who are now occupying GC properties with fake deeds, will need to vacate these properties ASAP without any condition or compensation.!

[-mikkie2-]

"A study that will establish the facts. At the moment people are just bandying assumptions back and forth."

Tim. This is not hard to do. The Republic of Cyprus knows exactly who owns what land and I think it has a pretty good idea at what land the TC's were given when they moved north.

The key to solving this problem is the amount of land that is given back under GC control. I'm not sure exactly sure what the numbers are, but roughly 50K TC's had to move from the south to the north. Around 180K GC's moved south. Just by looking at these numbers, it can be seen that roughly 130K GC's would need to return under GC control. The figures being bandied around in the talks is for the return of around 110K GC's, so I think we are in the right ballpark.

Once a solution is agreed, the value of the land in the north will match the prices in the south, once the status of the land has been sorted out. There will be an inbalance because the TC side will have a huge amount of coastline under its control and many of the villages lie along or near the coast. The value of this land will be enormous due to its development potential. So, to compensate the original owners will involve vasts sums of money.

[RichardB]

Link to todays philenews for those outside Cyprus

http://www.philenews.com/AssetService/I ... 2&pg=7981&

[cyprusgeoff]

President Christofias could be better employed sorting out the housing and title deeds mess in his own part of Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

"A study that will establish the facts. At the moment people are just bandying assumptions back and forth."

Tim. This is not hard to do. The Republic of Cyprus knows exactly who owns what land and I think it has a pretty good idea at what land the TC's were given when they moved north.

The key to solving this problem is the amount of land that is given back under GC control. I'm not sure exactly sure what the numbers are, but roughly 50K TC's had to move from the south to the north. Around 180K GC's moved south. Just by looking at these numbers, it can be seen that roughly 130K GC's would need to return under GC control. The figures being bandied around in the talks is for the return of around 110K GC's, so I think we are in the right ballpark.

Once a solution is agreed, the value of the land in the north will match the prices in the south, once the status of the land has been sorted out. There will be an inbalance because the TC side will have a huge amount of coastline under its control and many of the villages lie along or near the coast. The value of this land will be enormous due to its development potential. So, to compensate the original owners will involve vasts sums of money.

It will all come down to money which some refugees like it or not will have to accept..there are plenty of donars around to meet the figures being thrown around so whats important is to establish the land return and then who will get what. If your land has been developed then its most likely you will get compensated by money of offer of alternative land given up by TCs in the south. Its only when you introduce the issue of my ancestral land I cant give it up we hit a brick wall, if the whole island is your home like most GCs claim then what difference does it make if you take compensation and buy land a mile up the road from where you were before?

[Viewpoint]

According to today's headlines on Phileleftheros
Christofias has presented plans regarding the return of 110,000 refugees to the South state of a future federation. The areas included in the return amongst others are Salamina, Apostolos Andreas and Apostolos Barnabas.

Talat has responded by stating that there will have to be strong financial incentives for the TC's involved in the move.

¨

Why would the TC's needs to be given any financial incentive to move to the north state. Why can't they just stay as they are and be part of the south state, as long as they are not occupying anyone else’s property. They will still be living in their country of Cyprus. There will be many more GC's who will have their properties left in the north state, therefore they too not need to be given financial incentives to move to the south state. But if Talat is asking for the TC's to be paid so that they can be part of the north state, the GC's in the north state may also want the same deal so that they can be part of the south state. But to simplify matters, why not allow TC's and GC's who own their properties but do not want to live in the north or the south, then let them sell it and move to where ever they want to go and live. It is non of anyone's business really, unless Talat is talking about giving huge financial incentives to those who do not own the property they are currently occupying, i.e., most of the settlers. As for the settlers in the GC's properties, something will need to be paid to repatriate them with their motherland, but who will pay them is open to discussion. As for all the other foreign nationals who are now occupying GC properties with fake deeds, will need to vacate these properties ASAP without any condition or compensation.!

If the regions stated are returned the majority of TCs will not want to live in the GC state so they will try to sell their properties and move into the TC state so the sudden drop in prices in the GC state due to a flood of properties being placed on the market and the high demand increasing prices in the TC state will cause finanical differencies which need ot be addressed as these people are being forced to move due to political decisions.

[Jerry]

What are your thoughts on where the carpetbaggers and "colonists" should go, VP? They would not be welcome in land returned to the ROC.

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What are your thoughts on where the carpetbaggers and "colonists" should go, VP? They would not be welcome in land returned to the ROC.

If born and raised here then we have no option but to rehouse these people in the TC state and hand back GC property in the land given returned to the GC state as they would neither want to reside there.

[Jerry]

What are your thoughts on where the carpetbaggers and "colonists" should go, VP? They would not be welcome in land returned to the ROC.

If born and raised here then we have no option but to rehouse these people in the TC state and hand back GC property in the land given returned to the GC state as they would neither want to reside there.

So, what about those who were not born and raised in Cyprus? What about the British Carpetbaggers, where will they go?

[Viewpoint]

What are your thoughts on where the carpetbaggers and "colonists" should go, VP? They would not be welcome in land returned to the ROC.

If born and raised here then we have no option but to rehouse these people in the TC state and hand back GC property in the land given returned to the GC state as they would neither want to reside there.

So, what about those who were not born and raised in Cyprus? What about the British Carpetbaggers, where will they go?

If these people have been here more than 10/15 years then they should be allowed to stay anyone else should be given permission like the Brits to reside here but only made a citizien if they meet the criteria as seen fit by the 2 states at the federal level. Dont forget these "carpetbaggers" as you call them are EU citizens, what do you do with the thousands you have residing in the GC south?