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[Icarus]

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You are too soft with him ...

Do you honestly think he would've survived if he dared?

I decided on a better route. The problem is you've left so many gaping holes in all the arguments that I'm having difficulty in choosing how to rip everything you've been saying apart.

eg the fact that you complain about identity "human rights violations" of Greece when it comes to not recognising Muslim Greeks as Turks and yet you base your entire argument on CYprus on the need to throw off the G from the C and the T from the C so that we all exist peacefully within the Cypriot ethnicity.

If it were possible you know perfectly well that we would bend over backwards and do back flips if we could list everyone as Cypriots and not need to differentiate. Yet here you are trying to beef up another of your "passion" arguments with a logic that has more holes than a sieve.

I'll leave it here for now.

As you've listed many times before your distaste for ethnicity allows almost anyone who has a connection, affection and loyalty to a land to adopt its "ethnicity".

You have to be kidding me right?

I shall endeavor to ignore this guy's hypocritical and inconsistent ramblings from now on.

I just wish non serious posters would just vanish...

[Get Real!]

No nation is perfect. But Cyprus and Greece are up there with the very best.

That's where you're dead wrong! Cyprus' HR violations are so mild and so few & far in between that there is NO comparison with Greece whatsoever.

Greece and Turkey are in a league of their own.

[Get Real!]

The problem is you've left so many gaping holes in all the arguments that I'm having difficulty in choosing how to rip everything you've been saying apart.

What "arguments" are you talking about? The UN/Amnesty and HR-Watch articles are these arguments???

eg the fact that you complain about identity "human rights violations" of Greece when it comes to not recognising Muslim Greeks as Turks and yet you base your entire argument on CYprus on the need to throw off the G from the C and the T from the C so that we all exist peacefully within the Cypriot ethnicity.

Is that what all these UN/Amnesty/HR-Watch reports are complaining about?

If it were possible you know perfectly well that we would bend over backwards and do back flips if we could list everyone as Cypriots and not need to differentiate. Yet here you are trying to beef up another of your "passion" arguments with a logic that has more holes than a sieve.

As you've listed many times before your distaste for ethnicity allows almost anyone who has a connection, affection and loyalty to a land to adopt its "ethnicity". By your definition then you should be Greece's biggest supporter in their attempt to promote Greek citizenship over all other loyalties a person has.

Post the relevant section/s from these reports that support your argument and we'll take it from there.

Why did you not quote them?

[Icarus]

No nation is perfect. But Cyprus and Greece are up there with the very best.

That's where you're dead wrong! Cyprus' HR violations are so mild and so few & far in between that there is NO comparison with Greece whatsoever.

Greece and Turkey are in a league of their own.

Yes you are absolutely correct.

Cyprus and Greece have very mild human rights violations.

Turkey is in a league of their own.

BTW, can you please elaborate how you intend dispensing with Ethnic identifiers in Cyprus whilst accusing Greece with not allowing the Muslim minority their own ethnic identifier?

I am intrigued.

[DT.]

The problem is you've left so many gaping holes in all the arguments that I'm having difficulty in choosing how to rip everything you've been saying apart.

What "arguments" are you talking about? The UN/Amnesty and HR-Watch articles are these arguments???

eg the fact that you complain about identity "human rights violations" of Greece when it comes to not recognising Muslim Greeks as Turks and yet you base your entire argument on CYprus on the need to throw off the G from the C and the T from the C so that we all exist peacefully within the Cypriot ethnicity.

Is that what all these UN/Amnesty/HR-Watch reports are complaining about?

If it were possible you know perfectly well that we would bend over backwards and do back flips if we could list everyone as Cypriots and not need to differentiate. Yet here you are trying to beef up another of your "passion" arguments with a logic that has more holes than a sieve.

As you've listed many times before your distaste for ethnicity allows almost anyone who has a connection, affection and loyalty to a land to adopt its "ethnicity". By your definition then you should be Greece's biggest supporter in their attempt to promote Greek citizenship over all other loyalties a person has.

Post the relevant section/s from these reports that support your argument and we'll take it from there.

Why did you not quote them?

You don't just quote from amnesty international/UN/HRWatch which I've already mirrored identical reports for Italy but you've failed to comment on.

You also quote from such grade A sites such as

http://www.makedonija.info/aegean-news.html

The Macedonians are NOT happy with Greece…

"A number of human rights abuses continued to plague Greece during 1998, especially regarding the treatment of the Turkish and Macedonian minorities, as well as of migrants. There continued to be government-imposed restrictions on freedom of expression and freedom of worship. The government of Prime Minister Costas Simitis took some positive steps, including legalizing the presence of more than 400,000 mostly-Albanian migrants and abolishing article 19 of the citizenship law."
"As in previous years, the government recognized only one minority, the “Muslim” minority living in Thrace and protected under the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne. The government continued to deny the existence of a Turkish minority, although most “Muslims” identify themselves as Turks, regardless of their ethnic origin. In August, the speaker of the parliament stated that the “Muslim and Christian population” of Thrace should be "homogenized.” Ethnic minorities that are not officially recognized often suffered restrictions on their freedom of expression and association. Among these ethnic minorities legally denied recognition are Macedonians."

http://www.makedonija.info/aegean-news.html

[Get Real!]

No nation is perfect. But Cyprus and Greece are up there with the very best.

That's where you're dead wrong! Cyprus' HR violations are so mild and so few & far in between that there is NO comparison with Greece whatsoever.

Greece and Turkey are in a league of their own.

Yes you are absolutely correct.

Cyprus and Greece have very mild human rights violations.

Turkey is in a league of their own.

Only credible evidence can win debates on the CF so feel free to start a Cyprus HR thread to prove your point because clowning around doesn’t work… especially when dealing with me.

BTW, can you please elaborate how you intend dispensing with Ethnic identifiers in Cyprus whilst accusing Greece with not allowing the Muslim minority their own ethnic identifier?
I am intrigued.

Let the person who came up with this gripe present his evidence/argument first before jumping on his bandwagon, and we’ll take it from there.

[DT.]

No nation is perfect. But Cyprus and Greece are up there with the very best.

That's where you're dead wrong! Cyprus' HR violations are so mild and so few & far in between that there is NO comparison with Greece whatsoever.

Greece and Turkey are in a league of their own.

Yes you are absolutely correct.

Cyprus and Greece have very mild human rights violations.

Turkey is in a league of their own.

Only credible evidence can win debates on the CF so feel free to start a Cyprus HR thread to prove your point because clowning around doesn’t work… especially when dealing with me.

BTW, can you please elaborate how you intend dispensing with Ethnic identifiers in Cyprus whilst accusing Greece with not allowing the Muslim minority their own ethnic identifier?
I am intrigued.

Let the person who came up with this gripe present his evidence/argument first before jumping on his bandwagon, and we’ll take it from there.

I did

[Icarus]

No nation is perfect. But Cyprus and Greece are up there with the very best.

That's where you're dead wrong! Cyprus' HR violations are so mild and so few & far in between that there is NO comparison with Greece whatsoever.

Greece and Turkey are in a league of their own.

Yes you are absolutely correct.

Cyprus and Greece have very mild human rights violations.

Turkey is in a league of their own.

Only credible evidence can win debates on the CF so feel free to start a Cyprus HR thread to prove your point because clowning around doesn’t work… especially when dealing with me.

BTW, can you please elaborate how you intend dispensing with Ethnic identifiers in Cyprus whilst accusing Greece with not allowing the Muslim minority their own ethnic identifier?
I am intrigued.

Let the person who came up with this gripe present his evidence/argument first before jumping on his bandwagon, and we’ll take it from there.

You are the one coming up with this hypocritical brainwave. I have seen how on the one hand you want to abandon ethnic identifiers in Cyprus whilst revising the island's history and yet with Greece you have double standards. Why is that?

I will not be drawn into a debate as to whether Greece or Cyprus have the worst HR record. There is absolutely nothing to achieve by doing so.

Greece and Cyprus do have very mild HR records. We all know this.

It is up to you to prove this popular thesis wrong by comparing the 2 nations if you dare... You are the one making all the claims.

[Get Real!]

No nation is perfect. But Cyprus and Greece are up there with the very best.

That's where you're dead wrong! Cyprus' HR violations are so mild and so few & far in between that there is NO comparison with Greece whatsoever.

Greece and Turkey are in a league of their own.

Yes you are absolutely correct.

Cyprus and Greece have very mild human rights violations.

Turkey is in a league of their own.

Only credible evidence can win debates on the CF so feel free to start a Cyprus HR thread to prove your point because clowning around doesn’t work… especially when dealing with me.

BTW, can you please elaborate how you intend dispensing with Ethnic identifiers in Cyprus whilst accusing Greece with not allowing the Muslim minority their own ethnic identifier?
I am intrigued.

Let the person who came up with this gripe present his evidence/argument first before jumping on his bandwagon, and we’ll take it from there.

I did

You've skipped the UNHCR, Amnesty, and HR-Watch articles, and went straight for the Macedonian gripe... and you think you're gonna "tare this thread to pieces" or whatever it is you were on about???

Bloody amateur!

[DT.]

No nation is perfect. But Cyprus and Greece are up there with the very best.

That's where you're dead wrong! Cyprus' HR violations are so mild and so few & far in between that there is NO comparison with Greece whatsoever.

Greece and Turkey are in a league of their own.

Yes you are absolutely correct.

Cyprus and Greece have very mild human rights violations.

Turkey is in a league of their own.

Only credible evidence can win debates on the CF so feel free to start a Cyprus HR thread to prove your point because clowning around doesn’t work… especially when dealing with me.

BTW, can you please elaborate how you intend dispensing with Ethnic identifiers in Cyprus whilst accusing Greece with not allowing the Muslim minority their own ethnic identifier?
I am intrigued.

Let the person who came up with this gripe present his evidence/argument first before jumping on his bandwagon, and we’ll take it from there.

I did

You've skipped the UNHCR, Amnesty, and HR-Watch articles, and went straight for the Macedonian gripe... and you think you're gonna "tare this thread to pieces" or whatever it is you were on about???

Bloody amateur!

quit doodling when you're loss for words. You posted it as your own evidence now take the responsibility to defend it. As for the UN/Amnesty/HR watch...As I said before I've mirrored your post with the same reports from the same organisations for Italy and you've not commented. Should Italy be tarnished in the same way?

Now get back to responding on my question regarding your gem of a credible website.