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[james_mav]

Keep 'em coming...

Yet more emoticons...

You have no answered my question: if Greece is not Cyprus' best ally, who is?

If the very population of Cyprus; those that call themselves “Cypriot”, is comprised of 60% "Hellenic" traitors and 30% Turkish traitors, what's the chances that any foreigner would want to ally with her?

...incorrect use of a semicolon, and still no answer to my question!

Could it be that you are not as smart as you think you are?

[denizaksulu]

It is mind boggling to think that Greek Cypriots would engage in Greece bashing. Do the Greece-bashers actually believe that the entire Cyprus would not simply be the kibris province of tourkomongolistan if it were not for Greece?

Quite the contrary… it’s BECAUSE OF Greece that 37% of Cypriot territory has regressed to Ottoman rule! Where have you been on another planet?

Think of the peace dividend that Greece could reap: if it were not for the existential threat posed by the tourkomogoloi against the Republic of Cyprus, Greece would be able to reduce her ridiculously beefed up military. A not insignificant percentage of Greece's military expenditure is committed to maintaining a deterrent against tourkomogolo aggression against the Republic of Cyprus.

I'll put it to you very bluntly because I sense you're a bit slow...

Do you know what the Cypriot “mouchos” means?

Here’s a hint -->

Well, that’s the ONLY thing Greeks are good at and unfortunately Turks don’t find it very threatening…

If Greece is not your best ally, who is? And let me pre-empt any stupid responses: (1) Cyprus does not need allies, and (2) The EU, are both incorrect.

Err, with allies like these who needs enemies...

Do you rely on heavy use of infantile emoticons because you're unable to put together a coherent argument?

I agree, Greece is the reason that 37% of Cyprus is occupied by the tourkomogoloi. Taken another way however, Greece is the reason that 63% of Cyprus is not occupied. Do you honestly think that if it were not for the deterrent presented by Greece, the tourkomogoloi would not have manipulated the tourkomogolo guests on Cyprus to precipitate a crisis and grab the whole island? The coup of 1974 was just one of many possible excuses.

You have no answered my question: if Greece is not Cyprus' best ally, who is?

Geographically, Cyprus is in the bosom of Turkey.

Does this mean that Cyprus belongs to tourkomogolistan?

NO. Turkey gave its baby away for adoption in 1927.

[EPSILON]

It is mind boggling to think that Greek Cypriots would engage in Greece bashing. Do the Greece-bashers actually believe that the entire Cyprus would not simply be the kibris province of tourkomongolistan if it were not for Greece?

Quite the contrary… it’s BECAUSE OF Greece that 37% of Cypriot territory has regressed to Ottoman rule! Where have you been on another planet?

Think of the peace dividend that Greece could reap: if it were not for the existential threat posed by the tourkomogoloi against the Republic of Cyprus, Greece would be able to reduce her ridiculously beefed up military. A not insignificant percentage of Greece's military expenditure is committed to maintaining a deterrent against tourkomogolo aggression against the Republic of Cyprus.

I'll put it to you very bluntly because I sense you're a bit slow...

Do you know what the Cypriot “mouchos” means?

Here’s a hint -->

Well, that’s the ONLY thing Greeks are good at and unfortunately Turks don’t find it very threatening…

If Greece is not your best ally, who is? And let me pre-empt any stupid responses: (1) Cyprus does not need allies, and (2) The EU, are both incorrect.

Err, with allies like these who needs enemies...

Here's a list of those muchous you described earlier.

If you need the source then ask yourself .

(B) ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΣΗ ΠΕΣΟΝΤΩΝ ΑΞΚΩΝ-Μ.ΥΠΑΞΚΩΝ (Greek Officers)
Α/Α ΒΑΘΜΟΣ ΕΠΩΝΥΜΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΠΑΤΕΡΑ Σ.Α ΜΟΝΑΔΑ ΗΜΕΡ. ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ ΠΕΡΙΟΧΗ ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ

1 Σχης (ΠΒ) ΧΑΤΖΗΔΑΚΗΣ ΕΜΜΑΝΟΥΗΛ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ 29704 173 ΜΑ/ΤΠ 22.7.1974 Περιοχή Καραόλου Αμμοχώστου
2 Σχης (ΠΖ) ΜΠΟΥΤΟΣ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ ΜΙΧΑΗΛ 31048 286 Τ.Π. 3.8.1974 Τραυματίστηκε στο χωριό Κοντεμένος Κύπρου και απεβίωσε στο 401 ΓΣΝΑ
3 Σχης (ΠΖ) ΜΟΥΖΑΚΗΣ ΑΝΔΡΕΑΣ ΝΙΚΟΛΑΟΣ 32589 Ι ΑΤΔ 20.7.1974 Περιοχή Τ/Κ Λυκείου Αμμοχώστου
4 Ανχης (ΠΖ) ΚΑΤΣΑΝΗΣ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣ 33261 33 ΜΚ 22.7.1974 Ύψωμα Πετρομούθια Πενταδακτύλου
5 Τχης (ΠΖ) ΣΤΑΜΠΟΥΛΗΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΟΣ ΠΕΛΟΠΙΔΑΣ 36569 ΕΛΔΥΚ 16.8.1974 Στρδο ΕΛΔΥΚ
6 Τχης (ΜΧ) ΣΤΑΥΡΙΑΝΑΚΟΣ ΣΩΤΗΡΙΟΣ ΜΙΧΑΗΛ 36619 ΕΛΔΥΚ 16.8.1974 Στρδο ΕΛΔΥΚ
7 Λγός (ΠΖ) ΤΣΩΝΟΣ (Αναγνωρίστηκε με τη μέθοδο DNA) ΣΩΤΗΡΙΟΣ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ 37441 ΕΛΔΥΚ 29.7.1974 Τραυματίστηκε στο Τ/Κ χωριό Κιόνελι Λευκωσίας και απεβίωσε στο Γ.Ν.Λευκωσίας
8 Λγός (ΠΖ) ΤΣΟΥΚΝΙΔΑΣ ΔΗΜΗΤΡΙΟΣ ΒΑΙΟΣ 37462 281 Τ.Π. 21.7.1974 Περιοχή Πέντε Μίλι Καραβά Κερύνειας
9 Ανθλγός (ΠΒ) ΚΑΤΣΑΝΟΣ ΕΥΑΓΓΕΛΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ 39707 173 ΜΑ/ΤΠ 22.7.1974 Περιοχή Καραόλου Αμμοχώστου
10 Εφ.Ανθλγός (ΠΖ) ΖΑΡΡΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ 149/140032/66 226 Τ.Π. 20.7.1974 Ύψωμα Αρτέμιδος Λάρνακας
11 Ανθστής (ΠΖ) ΚΟΚΑΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ ΠΑΝΑΓΙΩΤΗΣ 5024 ΕΛΔΥΚ 21.7.1974 Τ/Κ χωριό Κιόνελι Λευκωσίας
12 Ανθστής (ΜΧ) ΚΟΥΡΛΙΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ ΝΙΚΟΛΑΟΣ 5004 ΕΛΔΥΚ 16.8.1974 Στρδο ΕΛΔΥΚ
13 Ανθστής (ΠΖ) ΜΠΙΝΑΚΗΣ (Αναγνωρίστηκε με τη μέθοδο DNA) ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ 5056 ΕΛΔΥΚ 22.7.1974 Στρδο ΕΛΔΥΚ
14 Ανθστής (ΠΖ) ΣΚΑΜΠΑΡΔΩΝΗΣ ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣ ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΣ 5001 ΕΛΔΥΚ 16.8.1974 Στρδο ΕΛΔΥΚ
15 Ανθστής (ΤΘ) ΦΩΤΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ ΑΘΑΝΑΣΙΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ 6183 23 ΕΜΑ 23.7.1974 Περιοχή Αερολιμένος Λευκωσίας
16 Δεα (ΚΔ) ΤΣΑΚΜΙΡΑΝΗΣ ΔΗΜΗΤΡΙΟΣ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΣ 136/107442/74 Α ΜΚ 22.7.1974 Περιοχή Μακεδονίτισσας Λευκωσίας



(Γ) ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΣΗ ΠΕΣΟΝΤΩΝ ΑΕΡΟΠΟΡΙΑΣ (Greek Airforce)
Α/Α ΒΑΘΜΟΣ ΕΠΩΝΥΜΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΠΑΤΕΡΑ Σ.Α ΜΟΝΑΔΑ ΗΜΕΡ. ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ ΠΕΡΙΟΧΗ ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ

1 Επγος (Ι) ΠΑΝΑΓΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ (Αναγνωρίστηκε με τη μέθοδο DNA) ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΟΣ 4163 22.7.1974 Περιοχή αεροδρομίου Λευκωσίας
2 Επγος (Ι) ΣΥΜΕΩΝΙΔΗΣ ΣΤΕΡΓΙΟΣ 5461 22.7.1974 Περιοχή αεροδρομίου Λευκωσίας
3 Ανθσγος (ΤΥΜ) ΔΑΒΑΡΗΣ (Αναγνωρίστηκε με τη μέθοδο DNA) ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ 9558 22.7.1974 Περιοχή αεροδρομίου Λευκωσίας
4 Εσμίας (ΡΝΑ) ΑΝΘΙΜΟΣ ΗΛΙΑΣ 24978 22.7.1974 Περιοχή αεροδρομίου Λευκωσίας



(Δ) ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΣΗ ΠΕΣΟΝΤΩΝ ΝΑΥΤΙΚΟΥ (Greek Navy)
Α/Α ΒΑΘΜΟΣ ΕΠΩΝΥΜΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΠΑΤΕΡΑ Σ.Α ΜΟΝΑΔΑ ΗΜΕΡ. ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ ΠΕΡΙΟΧΗ ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ

1 Υποπλοίαρχος (Μ) ΤΣΟΜΑΚΗΣ ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΙΟΣ 20.7.1974 Έπεσε κατά την βύθιση της Τ/Α 3 στη θαλάσσια περιοχή Κερύνειας
2 Αρχικελευστής (ΜΗΧ) ΒΙΤΟΥΛΑΔΙΤΗΣ ΛΕΩΝΙΔΑΣ ΑΓΜ 64059 20.7.1974 Έπεσε κατά την βύθιση της Τ/Α 3 στη θαλάσσια περιοχή Κερύνειας
3 Κελευστής (ΤΟΡ) ΚΑΡΕΤΣΟΣ ΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΣ ΑΓΜ 18549 20.7.1974 Έπεσε κατά την βύθιση της Τ/Α 3 στη θαλάσσια περιοχή Κερύνειας
4 Ναύτης (ΜΗΧ) ΚΟΥΤΣΟΥΡΑΔΗΣ ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΙΟΣ ΑΓΜ 50051 20.7.1974 Έπεσε κατά την βύθιση της Τ/Α 3 στη θαλάσσια περιοχή Κερύνειας

DT, If he could met even one Greek soldier who was in Cyprus in 1974 and discussed with him 5 mnts then he would be shamed of what he is stating here.It seems that he never met such a person. Personally i am meeting such people frequently (in coffe shops, in villages )and the only words i can find to tell them is just "THANKS" .But the propaganta mixing up junta with normal fathers and young boys fight for this Island is going very well in Cyprus during the last 37 years. I blame Greece many times, particularly its certain politicians but nobody can blame Greek people who are still consider that they have an open account down there.!!I hope this do not be necessary but people like GR will look to the skies and sea to see a hand of help, saving their lifes.If all is under control we feel like we are staying in a super power state but when the danger will be front of us then the propaganta is dying and we will have to face the reality.
Mpakogianni lets say and some others are trying to find ways to get out of Cyprus problem and people like GR just helping them without to realise that they are just prepare their final dissapearance of the Island.(at least as Ethnos/language/culture).

[Get Real!]

Keep 'em coming...

Yet more emoticons...

It was one of those “Χωρις Λογια” and besides… I like to treat my funbase with eye candy!

You have no answered my question: if Greece is not Cyprus' best ally, who is?

If the very population of Cyprus; those that call themselves “Cypriot”, is comprised of 60% "Hellenic" traitors and 30% Turkish traitors, what's the chances that any foreigner would want to ally with her?

...incorrect use of a semicolon, and still no answer to my question!

Go on... explain the grammar “error”!

Could it be that you are not as smart as you think you are?

Or the other way round?

[Get Real!]

Here's a list of those muchous you described earlier.

If you need the source then ask yourself .

That Greece dumped and abandoned a couple of thousand young men to be sacrificed for the double enosis scheme is an old story DT and that’s why I gave them a special place on my website… that is where you got that list from right?

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... morial.htm

[james_mav]

Keep 'em coming...

Yet more emoticons...

It was one of those “Χωρις Λογια” and besides… I like to treat my funbase with eye candy!

"Funbase"...is that pidgin for something?

You have no answered my question: if Greece is not Cyprus' best ally, who is?

If the very population of Cyprus; those that call themselves “Cypriot”, is comprised of 60% "Hellenic" traitors and 30% Turkish traitors, what's the chances that any foreigner would want to ally with her?

...incorrect use of a semicolon, and still no answer to my question!

Go on... explain the grammar “error”!

Still no answer to my question. I'll leave correcting your poor grammar as an exercise for the reader.

Could it be that you are not as smart as you think you are?

Or the other way round?

Not impossible. But it's not me dodging questions with poor grammer and posting infantile emoticons.

[Get Real!]

DT, If he could met even one Greek soldier who was in Cyprus in 1974 and discussed with him 5 mnts then he would be shamed of what he is stating here.It seems that he never met such a person. Personally i am meeting such people frequently (in coffe shops, in villages )and the only words i can find to tell them is just "THANKS" .But the propaganta mixing up junta with normal fathers and young boys fight for this Island is going very well in Cyprus during the last 37 years. I blame Greece many times, particularly its certain politicians but nobody can blame Greek people who are still consider that they have an open account down there.!!I hope this do not be necessary but people like GR will look to the skies and sea to see a hand of help, saving their lifes.If all is under control we feel like we are staying in a super power state but when the danger will be front of us then the propaganta is dying and we will have to face the reality.
Mpakogianni lets say and some others are trying to find ways to get out of Cyprus problem and people like GR just helping them without to realise that they are just prepare their final dissapearance of the Island.(at least as Ethnos/language/culture).

Epsilon, save us the Greek eulogy because one must accept responsibility of one's foolish actions...

If Greece NEVER intended to go ALL THE WAY against Turkey then why was she fucking around with the GC people that destabilized Cyprus and led to this catastrophe?

She had spent the previous half century screwing up the minds of the foolish locals here, but when it came to the crunch she run away with her tail between her legs and let the locals get slaughtered by the invading Turks!

If that was her idea of “Hellenism” did Cyprus really need it?

But don’t answer me that question… tell it to the 6,000 dead.

[EPSILON]

DT, If he could met even one Greek soldier who was in Cyprus in 1974 and discussed with him 5 mnts then he would be shamed of what he is stating here.It seems that he never met such a person. Personally i am meeting such people frequently (in coffe shops, in villages )and the only words i can find to tell them is just "THANKS" .But the propaganta mixing up junta with normal fathers and young boys fight for this Island is going very well in Cyprus during the last 37 years. I blame Greece many times, particularly its certain politicians but nobody can blame Greek people who are still consider that they have an open account down there.!!I hope this do not be necessary but people like GR will look to the skies and sea to see a hand of help, saving their lifes.If all is under control we feel like we are staying in a super power state but when the danger will be front of us then the propaganta is dying and we will have to face the reality.
Mpakogianni lets say and some others are trying to find ways to get out of Cyprus problem and people like GR just helping them without to realise that they are just prepare their final dissapearance of the Island.(at least as Ethnos/language/culture).

Epsilon, save us the Greek eulogy because one must accept responsibility of one's foolish actions...

If Greece NEVER intended to go ALL THE WAY against Turkey then why was she fucking around with the GC people that destabilized Cyprus and led to this catastrophe?

She had spent the previous half century screwing up the minds of the foolish locals here, but when it came to the crunch she run away with her tail between her legs and let the locals get slaughtered by the invading Turks!

If that was her idea of “Hellenism” did Cyprus really need it?

But don’t answer me that question… tell it to the 6,000 dead.

The point here is what you mean by the word Greece. I asked this many times.Is Cyprus as state (as ROC) or generally as Cypriots also same liable because of its citizens (part of them) participated in Junta's plans. What about these Greeks sent to rocky islands by same Junta? Is Greece liable also? Do they have to change Ethnicity because junta of Greek origin did what they did?

What about the Russians, do they have also to change Ethnicity because Stalin passed from the country's government? I agree that maybe Greece as state, do not have the military power to demand Turkish troops to lieve from Cyprus tomorrow morning but do not diseregard what democratic Greece did so far for our case.

[Get Real!]

"Funbase"...is that pidgin for something?

Let's just say it's something you'll never have...

Still no answer to my question.

I don't think I've left anything unanswered...

I'll leave correcting your poor grammar as an exercise for the reader.

You just keep digging your grave...

First, you should establish yourself on the CF and THEN come and challenge GR... say in a year’s time, but not the other way round!

Not impossible. But it's not me dodging questions with poor grammer and posting infantile emoticons.

Give it up dude... there is such a thing as aiming TOO high!

[Get Real!]

DT, If he could met even one Greek soldier who was in Cyprus in 1974 and discussed with him 5 mnts then he would be shamed of what he is stating here.It seems that he never met such a person. Personally i am meeting such people frequently (in coffe shops, in villages )and the only words i can find to tell them is just "THANKS" .But the propaganta mixing up junta with normal fathers and young boys fight for this Island is going very well in Cyprus during the last 37 years. I blame Greece many times, particularly its certain politicians but nobody can blame Greek people who are still consider that they have an open account down there.!!I hope this do not be necessary but people like GR will look to the skies and sea to see a hand of help, saving their lifes.If all is under control we feel like we are staying in a super power state but when the danger will be front of us then the propaganta is dying and we will have to face the reality.
Mpakogianni lets say and some others are trying to find ways to get out of Cyprus problem and people like GR just helping them without to realise that they are just prepare their final dissapearance of the Island.(at least as Ethnos/language/culture).

Epsilon, save us the Greek eulogy because one must accept responsibility of one's foolish actions...

If Greece NEVER intended to go ALL THE WAY against Turkey then why was she fucking around with the GC people that destabilized Cyprus and led to this catastrophe?

She had spent the previous half century screwing up the minds of the foolish locals here, but when it came to the crunch she run away with her tail between her legs and let the locals get slaughtered by the invading Turks!

If that was her idea of “Hellenism” did Cyprus really need it?

But don’t answer me that question… tell it to the 6,000 dead.

The point here is what you mean by the word Greece. I asked this many times.Is Cyprus as state (as ROC) or generally as Cypriots also same liable because of its citizens (part of them) participated in Junta's plans. What about these Greeks sent to rocky islands by same Junta? Is Greece liable also? Do they have to change Ethnicity because junta of Greek origin did what they did?

What about the Russians, do they have also to change Ethnicity because Stalin passed from the country's government? I agree that maybe Greece as state, do not have the military power to demand Turkish troops to lieve from Cyprus tomorrow morning but do not diseregard what democratic Greece did so far for our case.

I'll tell you what Epsilon, why don't you start a dedicated thread and jot down your ideas as to why Greece may be distanced from the events of July 15th 1974, and I'll see you there. Fair enough?