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[Kifeas]

funny how they always get involved when they can get something.

Funny, how it is never reported when a government begs and pleas for help privately.

My friend, in 1974 I lost all my properties. Any access to my properties is being denied to me for 31 years. Is being denied by Turkey, which occupies the northern part of Cyprus. Turkey occupies the north of Cyprus with the use of American weapons donated to her by the US. American donated weapons are used for violating my property rights. American weapons are occupying my properties. The US is a collaborator to the illegal occupation of my properties.
Thank you very much for the help. I really appreciate it!

[JustAnAmerican]

Let me first say, I am sorry for your loss.

So the American “donated” weapons caused you to lose your property, hmmm, I thought it was the G/C treatment of T/Cs that caused the need for the Turkish Army to invade and take your property?

So I guess, we should really hold the manufacturers of these weapons responsible not the fuckers pulling the triggers and using them…

Great, I will go run over someone tomorrow and get out and say it wasn't me it was the car that did it.

Kifeas,

As for your property; Is it still in decent condition? Do you want it back or would you sell it?

[JustAnAmerican]

[quote="Kifeas"]
From a legal perspective, the status of the British bases in Cyprus is in a vacuum. Furthermore, they are not sovereign. /quote]

As for sovereignty
Oh they are very sovereign. Your government and others recognize this because the GoC allows planes flying from Turkey to “touch and go” land at Akrotiri before landing in Larnaka. The pilots don’t mind. It counts in their logbook as an extra landing for them. And it is not a direct flight!

[Kifeas]

So the American “donated” weapons caused you to lose your property, hmmm,

It is both the country that used them and the country that donated them (and continues to donate them.)

I thought it was the G/C treatment of T/Cs that caused the need for the Turkish Army to invade and take your property?

Is it so? I am afraid not! At least this is not the Turkish version of the story. The Turkish version of the story is that they invaded based on the treaty of guarantee so that the constitutional order, which was violated with the coup of the C.I.A. backed Greek Junta, is restored. Of course it has been restored in a perfect way.

So I guess, we should really hold the manufacturers of these weapons responsible not the fuckers pulling the triggers and using them…

No, is not the manufactures who are responsible. It is the US government that authorises and finances the donations.

Great, I will go run over someone tomorrow and get out and say it wasn't me it was the car that did it.

No my friend, you didn’t get it all right! If the government or the state issuing the driver’s licence to you -a hypothetically reckless driver, fails to remove you from the streets after you cause accidents and kill people, then this State is equally responsible and guilty for the people that you kill in the streets.

As for your property; Is it still in decent condition?

No, it is not! All the trees were uprooted, it was divided into plots and several houses –already sold for some peanuts to some British, are being built inside. Of course everything is done illegally, according to the rule of national and international law. Perfectly legal according to the rule of the powerful (read the law of the jungle,) which becomes even more powerful with the continuing donations of American weapons and the international backing of the US.

Do you want it back or would you sell it?

This is up to me to decide!
What I demand is the compensation of 31 years of lost revenues from these properties, which have not been replaced by the use of any alternative properties.

[Kifeas]

As for sovereignty
Oh they are very sovereign.

No, they are not a sovereign territory of Britain. A.) They are on a rental basis. B.) They are meant to be used only for the military needs of the UK. C.) They do not posses continental shelf and political FIR rights. D.) Britain is not allowed by the treaty of establishment to set up a separate political government and administrate these areas like an independed state or even as a British county.

Your government and others recognize this because the GoC allows planes flying from Turkey to “touch and go” land at Akrotiri before landing in Larnaka. The pilots don’t mind. It counts in their logbook as an extra landing for them. And it is not a direct flight!

You are obviously talking about military use American planes.

[JustAnAmerican]

Well don’t hold your breath waiting for the British or the US to pay rent.

Secondly, donating weapons does not make a country responsible for the fact you now have no property and cannot get along with your own countrymen. I believe your own Cypriots had something to do with that.

Lastly, it is a damn shame what they have done to your land, but if you hold out your vote for 31 years of compensation, you will one day be watching KLM and British Airway flights land in the new country of TRNC, because the EU and the world is not going to wait around for 2 or 3 more NO votes.

[Main_Source]

well the EU shouldnt make up corrupt plans which put the GC in a no win situation.

Typical smug American, thinks he knows it all.

[JustAnAmerican]

Source,

As opposed to the typically smug G/C, (in this case a 25 year old punk) who’s probable life experiences are limited to his weekends in the GCNG, putting a better muffler on his Subaru, and him living with his momma.
Go somewhere boy, do something, and if you are going to be a patriot for your country then begin to work for them.

Then when you relay a comment that you heard in a meeting between the two government officials, then I doubt anyone would think you are being smug.

[JustAnAmerican]

well the EU shouldnt make up corrupt plans which put the GC in a no win situation.

The G/Cs and T/C are the ones that cannot come up with a solution, not the EU. The ones that cannot agree will be the ones to blame when we all get tired of the Cyprus problem. The no win situation was created by yourselves.
Hey Pendergras, said it all the other day. Both sides are just too far apart.

[gabaston]

M_S

The no win situation was created in 1963 when 12 million greeks decided to take on 60 million turks. We are now at the eventuality of such folly.


The world (tiny Gambia – USA) is sending out messages but you’re not listening. The more you ignore the pressure on you for an agreement, the more it will grow. Pap’s only want another term in office, his best bet is to delay another annan until then. To be fair this must also suit Talat too as he will probably get another term.

I am a landowner with land in Larnaca or Girne. I am not going to wait another six years for the next annan, which will probably be decisive. I am fifty and I want to retire soon. I will start building in Girne at the first opportunity. There are probably hundreds if not thousands like me. Since any future agreement is likely to entail any undeveloped tc land being returned to gc owners, and since I prefer to live in the north, I have little option other than to start building. This is yet more pressure on you, and will deprive you of yet more northern cyprus.

Imo the longer the present situation continues the more gc will loose.
Best to get paps around the table asap, (or get rid of him, his personal aspirations are selling you down the drain), and take three quarters of cyprus now. Its not a bad deal since it was Makarios who tore up the constitution. It’s probably the best deal you’ve been offered in three thousand years.