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[-mikkie2-]

And how do you see the property issue being resolved?

[JustAnAmerican]

And how do you see the property issue being resolved?

Mikkie2,
Man this is such a difficult issue.

The US would like to see reunification, but we have an understanding of the existence of prejudice, hate, and religious persecution from our own history. We understand those elements can destroy prosperity and a better future vision.

Cyprus has such a diverse property problem. Some people lost their homes, some lost the property, and some while their property is still there have their homes damaged beyond repair. Some are now living in a better home than they had before the war, and some are living in worse conditions.

I believe there will be form of compensation, combined with the resettling of property, but NO ONE will be 100% happy. And that is the root of the problematic reunification vote.

The Question is ……. will your family and loved ones be better off with the fruits of reunification??

And we know how the vote went last time….

[-mikkie2-]

JustAnAmerican,

The wall of silence regarding the property issue by the people that can influence matters is a BIG problem.

The silence regarding the way properties are being handled in the north gives tacid approval for the Turks to do as they wish. You must underastand that 70% of the economic potential of the island lies in the north. The current development boom in the north has one aim and that is to preclude the return of greek cypriots to the north.

The question is, what kind reunification will we have in these conditions. The turks are hiding behind their yes vote and simply are pushing through their vision of 'unification'.

Pressue needs to be brought to bear on BOTH sides. Currently, all the pressue is one way which has the effect of further entrenching positions rather than encouraging dialogue.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

JustAnAmerican,

You must underastand that 70% of the economic potential of the island lies in the north. The current development boom in the north has one aim and that is to preclude the return of greek cypriots to the north.

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Ms mikkie2

You are absolutely right.

The North. compared to the South is an impoverished Third World nation.

The Economic Development that the GC's have enjoyed for 30 plus years has been denied to this region. And that goes for "Foreign Aid" too.

Many, like myself, deplore the concrete jungle that we see sprouting anew every day. Not from any sense of guilt but from a sense of environmental loss.

It has been pointed out to me, however, that if "We" didn't exploit this opportunity, then the GC's , eventually, would have. This is likely to be true since we were not aware that 70% of the Economic potential lay in the North.

This Boom stems directly from the "OXI" vote and Annan V

A number of TC's believe that the GC's have had their slice of the pie and now they want ours too

It is also widely believed that the more EU citizens owning property in the North will make any future property settlement much more complex.

Since it seems that TC's cannot win in the Long Term many have adopted the short term view of grab what you can now and bugger the future. The GC's do not want to share anyway.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr JustAnAmerican

I agree with your views on the bus issue.

Since the opening of the borders we see so many GC coaches in the North. loaded with Tourists from the South together with thei Guides.

No one stopped them. Or the numerous Taxi's.

You may say that the North would gain economically from these new tourists buying lunch and souvenirs etc. but I get the impression that the tourists are very well controlled and not allowed to buy too much from our illegal regime.

Seen any coach loads of tourists from the North in the South recently??

Clearly not.

Who gains from the current situation? Answer. GC Tour Operators.

Our busses are not to the standard of GC busses nor do they meet the requirements of EU. This may be true but they work perfectly well in the North, why should they not do so in the South?

I appreciate my comments are somewhat simplistic but once in a while it's good to let off some steam, caused by stupid posts and the GREED of some Cypriots.

[Kifeas]

The North. compared to the South is an impoverished Third World nation.

That is a profound exaggeration! It might look so in some areas due to the concentration of many Anatolian settlers /workers who are generally very poor and also very badly dressed. You should go to Cairo in Egypt and see what it means to be in an impoverished third world nation.

The Economic Development that the GC's have enjoyed for 30 plus years has been denied to this region. And that goes for "Foreign Aid" too.

It has been denied by whom? And why?

It has been pointed out to me, however, that if "We" didn't exploit this opportunity, then the GC's , eventually, would have.

Which opportunity? To sell stolen land? Each one should exploit his opportunities using his own property. With measure and reason! Not like the way it happens now in the north!

This is likely to be true since we were not aware that 70% of the Economic potential lay in the North.

Since you rightfully accept that the 70% of the economic potential lays in the north, you may also consider it unreasonable for the 18% of the population to be left unbothered to exploit it alone and without control, measure and reason.

This Boom stems directly from the "OXI" vote and Annan V

From the Annan plan, Yes! From the “OXI” vote, why? It should have been the opposite! The Annan plan gave them the “green light,” due to its scandalous property provisions, which would have left the vast majority of the GC properties in the north in the hands of the TC community and the GCs with toilet papers in their hands. The “OXI” vote should have acted in exactly the opposite direction. It didn’t occur this way though, because up to very recently the international players and especially the Anglo-Americans were telling the TCs not to worry because they will do their bests to make the GCs accept the A-plan, whether they like it or not. How many times your government spokesman Mr. Butcher has said that the US government supports that the solution in Cyprus is the Annan Plan? Consequently, the TCs took the property provisions of the A-plan for granted and they acted accordingly. The Anglo-Americans are morally responsible for what is happening in the north regarding GC properties.

A number of TC's believe that the GC's have had their slice of the pie and now they want ours too

How and why they believe such a thing? What is the logic behind such a conviction? We only want what belongs to us, or at least what proportionately belongs to us from the resources of our country. Did you explain to these TCs who express these convictions, that they currently occupy and control 2.2 times more properties (the best properties of Cyprus,) than their fair share and that there are as many as 180,000 GCs who have no property in their hands for 30 years now?

It is also widely believed that the more EU citizens owning property in the North will make any future property settlement much more complex.

That is true! However, the TCs continue selling the GC properties in the north. Should we assume that they want to make the property settlement more complex because in reallity, they do not want a solution? If this is the case, then they are hypocrites when they say they want a solution and re-unification and it is the GCs who do not want such.

Since it seems that TC's cannot win in the Long Term many have adopted the short-term view of grab what you can now and bugger the future. The GC's do not want to share anyway.

Yes, the GCs do not want to share! Another victimising slogan! Is it the GCs who do not want to share, or the opposite? If the TCs wanted a solution, why they didn’t come out with constructive proposals on the property issue and instead they hid themselves behind the lucrative for them provisions of the A-plan, which would have granted them ownership of double their fair share in value and 1.7 times more their fair share in amount (area) of properties?

The sad thing is that the ordinary TCs, whose majority genuinely wants a solution, do not know the whole story and instead they buy what their leadership is selling them. "Papadopoullos is the problem and only him!"

[JustAnAmerican]

Kifeas,
I did not write any of the quotes above.

[JustAnAmerican]

Suetonius wrote all of the items you are quoting that JustAnAmerican said.

[Main_Source]

How many third world nations do you know with an abundance of casinos?

[garbitsch]

How many third world nations do you know with an abundance of casinos?

This assumption is as weak as the assumption of "countries having mcdonald's would never fight with each other".