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[Icarus]

The Turkish Cypriots should be given an ultimatum to repair all the churches within a reasonable period of time or Tekke turned into a pig sty.

Fair & square is the way I like it…

Fair and square: the Greek Cypriots should also be given the same amount of time to repair all of the mosques. But what will they do about the ones they razed to the ground?

I presume you want the Turkish Cypriots to rebuild the Church of Panagia Apagou in Khelones and the Church of Agia Katerina in Gerani.

So, presumably, the Greek Cypriots should also rebuild the mosques in Kidasi, Phalia, Goshi, Ktima Paphos, Deneia, Flasou, Korakou, Loukrounou, Fasli, Magounda...? (And I list those mosques because they're the ones documented by the bicommunal Cyprus Temples project, so you can't dismiss it as propaganda.)

What deadline would you like?

Presenting only one community as the victim is untrue and unhelpful. Nationalist extremists on both sides have destroyed lives and communities. If you don't acknowledge that and do something about it, you will never rescue your country, or even your community, because extremism will thrive and innocent individuals and communities will continue to suffer. If you want your churches repaired, why don't you consider a paired project - repair one church, repair one mosque?

If you continue to tell the other community to repair your churches while you leave their mosques to decay, and when you have destroyed so many mosques that are now not ruins, but archaeological sites under the soil, you will achieve nothing.

I have seen many mosques in the Republic of Cyprus in a very good state of repair. I can't say the same about Greek Orthodox Churches and cemeteries.

How much time is required recovering all Cypriot Antiquities and Byzantine Icons?

http://www.savingantiquities.org/featur ... sicons.php

http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules. ... t&sid=4964

http://www.museum-security.org/cyprus-a ... n-rijn.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/01/world ... wanted=all

http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Proble ... tion2.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1768274.stm

Less time would be required if the Republic of Cyprus did not buy back stolen antiquities from the market. A lot of the money goes to the Grey Wolves and the Turkish Deep State and bankrolls their continued looting and destruction.

This is the most ridiculous statement.

Firstly, I am not sure as to the lengths the Republic of Cyprus is going to in order retrieve stolen antiquities and precious artifacts.

But if they are trying to buy there stolen artifacts, then I do not blame them. National heritage is a very important thing, and I am sure that many of these items are priceless to all Cypriots.

But surely, if stolen artifacts are found overseas, then these artifacts would be returned to their rightful owners by the authorities, free of charge. This is what usually happens when stolen goods are found by law enforcement agencies. They are eventually returned!

The Elgin Marbles should be returned to their rightful owners. So should the Temple of Bergamon in the Berlin Museum.

Yes they should also be returned.

However, you can never compare the Elgin Marbles with the complete and systematic eradication of Greek Cypriot inheritance from the lands they were ethnically cleansed from by brute force. Greek Cypriot heritage has been plundered by Turkish invaders, and many priceless icons and antiquities have been pawned by Turkish Racqueteer criminal elements.

You are comparing the Elgin Marbles, which is itself wrong, to the elimination of Greek Cypriot heritage which is the most despicable war crime of altering the island's character and and destroying our heritage.



Turkey should be ashamed...

Agreed, wholeheartedly. The ethnic cleansing and the destruction you mentioned should never have happened - like many other things, like the 1974coup -which led to all this.

At last I found a video of the Temple/Altar of Pergamon. A very unexpected find. Tragic.

enjoy:

[youtube]http://www.tripwolf.com/en/guide/show/175914/Germany/Berlin/PergamonMuseum[/youtube]

Why did you mention the Coup?

Is that some poor attempt in justifying the destruction of Greek Cypriot heritage?

The other day, Deniz tried to justify Turks selling girls to Arabs by quoting Plato ....

I do remember that thread...

Maybe he was having a blonde moment just like when he decided to water his donkey thus causing the Coup.....

[YFred]

The Turkish Cypriots should be given an ultimatum to repair all the churches within a reasonable period of time or Tekke turned into a pig sty.

Fair & square is the way I like it…

Fair and square: the Greek Cypriots should also be given the same amount of time to repair all of the mosques. But what will they do about the ones they razed to the ground?

I presume you want the Turkish Cypriots to rebuild the Church of Panagia Apagou in Khelones and the Church of Agia Katerina in Gerani.

So, presumably, the Greek Cypriots should also rebuild the mosques in Kidasi, Phalia, Goshi, Ktima Paphos, Deneia, Flasou, Korakou, Loukrounou, Fasli, Magounda...? (And I list those mosques because they're the ones documented by the bicommunal Cyprus Temples project, so you can't dismiss it as propaganda.)

What deadline would you like?

Presenting only one community as the victim is untrue and unhelpful. Nationalist extremists on both sides have destroyed lives and communities. If you don't acknowledge that and do something about it, you will never rescue your country, or even your community, because extremism will thrive and innocent individuals and communities will continue to suffer. If you want your churches repaired, why don't you consider a paired project - repair one church, repair one mosque?

If you continue to tell the other community to repair your churches while you leave their mosques to decay, and when you have destroyed so many mosques that are now not ruins, but archaeological sites under the soil, you will achieve nothing.

I have seen many mosques in the Republic of Cyprus in a very good state of repair. I can't say the same about Greek Orthodox Churches and cemeteries.

How much time is required recovering all Cypriot Antiquities and Byzantine Icons?

http://www.savingantiquities.org/featur ... sicons.php

http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules. ... t&sid=4964

http://www.museum-security.org/cyprus-a ... n-rijn.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/01/world ... wanted=all

http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Proble ... tion2.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1768274.stm

Less time would be required if the Republic of Cyprus did not buy back stolen antiquities from the market. A lot of the money goes to the Grey Wolves and the Turkish Deep State and bankrolls their continued looting and destruction.

This is the most ridiculous statement.

Firstly, I am not sure as to the lengths the Republic of Cyprus is going to in order retrieve stolen antiquities and precious artifacts.

But if they are trying to buy there stolen artifacts, then I do not blame them. National heritage is a very important thing, and I am sure that many of these items are priceless to all Cypriots.

But surely, if stolen artifacts are found overseas, then these artifacts would be returned to their rightful owners by the authorities, free of charge. This is what usually happens when stolen goods are found by law enforcement agencies. They are eventually returned!

The Elgin Marbles should be returned to their rightful owners. So should the Temple of Bergamon in the Berlin Museum.

Yes they should also be returned.

However, you can never compare the Elgin Marbles with the complete and systematic eradication of Greek Cypriot inheritance from the lands they were ethnically cleansed from by brute force. Greek Cypriot heritage has been plundered by Turkish invaders, and many priceless icons and antiquities have been pawned by Turkish Racqueteer criminal elements.

You are comparing the Elgin Marbles, which is itself wrong, to the elimination of Greek Cypriot heritage which is the most despicable war crime of altering the island's character and and destroying our heritage.



Turkey should be ashamed...

Agreed, wholeheartedly. The ethnic cleansing and the destruction you mentioned should never have happened - like many other things, like the 1974coup -which led to all this.

At last I found a video of the Temple/Altar of Pergamon. A very unexpected find. Tragic.

enjoy:

[youtube]http://www.tripwolf.com/en/guide/show/175914/Germany/Berlin/PergamonMuseum[/youtube]

Why did you mention the Coup?

Is that some poor attempt in justifying the destruction of Greek Cypriot heritage?

Was the coup a good thing or a bad thing? I dont take brother killing brother lightly, brother.

There is NO justification whatsoever to the wanton destruction of Cyprus. If you did a poll, with one exception you will find that no TC will justify these actions.

The Coup was bad...

But I fail to comprehend as to why you would mention this when we were discussing stolen Cypriot artifacts.

I was asking you if you were attempting to gain some justification for Turkey's actions....

The day the coup happened, I was watering my donkey. Therefore I conclude that the coup was caused by me watering the donkey. OK!!

At least it was drinking. But what caused the coup though? Was it that Sampson saw this donkey bending down to drink?

[denizaksulu]

The Turkish Cypriots should be given an ultimatum to repair all the churches within a reasonable period of time or Tekke turned into a pig sty.

Fair & square is the way I like it…

Fair and square: the Greek Cypriots should also be given the same amount of time to repair all of the mosques. But what will they do about the ones they razed to the ground?

I presume you want the Turkish Cypriots to rebuild the Church of Panagia Apagou in Khelones and the Church of Agia Katerina in Gerani.

So, presumably, the Greek Cypriots should also rebuild the mosques in Kidasi, Phalia, Goshi, Ktima Paphos, Deneia, Flasou, Korakou, Loukrounou, Fasli, Magounda...? (And I list those mosques because they're the ones documented by the bicommunal Cyprus Temples project, so you can't dismiss it as propaganda.)

What deadline would you like?

Presenting only one community as the victim is untrue and unhelpful. Nationalist extremists on both sides have destroyed lives and communities. If you don't acknowledge that and do something about it, you will never rescue your country, or even your community, because extremism will thrive and innocent individuals and communities will continue to suffer. If you want your churches repaired, why don't you consider a paired project - repair one church, repair one mosque?

If you continue to tell the other community to repair your churches while you leave their mosques to decay, and when you have destroyed so many mosques that are now not ruins, but archaeological sites under the soil, you will achieve nothing.

I have seen many mosques in the Republic of Cyprus in a very good state of repair. I can't say the same about Greek Orthodox Churches and cemeteries.

How much time is required recovering all Cypriot Antiquities and Byzantine Icons?

http://www.savingantiquities.org/featur ... sicons.php

http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules. ... t&sid=4964

http://www.museum-security.org/cyprus-a ... n-rijn.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/01/world ... wanted=all

http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Proble ... tion2.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1768274.stm

Less time would be required if the Republic of Cyprus did not buy back stolen antiquities from the market. A lot of the money goes to the Grey Wolves and the Turkish Deep State and bankrolls their continued looting and destruction.

This is the most ridiculous statement.

Firstly, I am not sure as to the lengths the Republic of Cyprus is going to in order retrieve stolen antiquities and precious artifacts.

But if they are trying to buy there stolen artifacts, then I do not blame them. National heritage is a very important thing, and I am sure that many of these items are priceless to all Cypriots.

But surely, if stolen artifacts are found overseas, then these artifacts would be returned to their rightful owners by the authorities, free of charge. This is what usually happens when stolen goods are found by law enforcement agencies. They are eventually returned!

The Elgin Marbles should be returned to their rightful owners. So should the Temple of Bergamon in the Berlin Museum.

Yes they should also be returned.

However, you can never compare the Elgin Marbles with the complete and systematic eradication of Greek Cypriot inheritance from the lands they were ethnically cleansed from by brute force. Greek Cypriot heritage has been plundered by Turkish invaders, and many priceless icons and antiquities have been pawned by Turkish Racqueteer criminal elements.

You are comparing the Elgin Marbles, which is itself wrong, to the elimination of Greek Cypriot heritage which is the most despicable war crime of altering the island's character and and destroying our heritage.



Turkey should be ashamed...

Agreed, wholeheartedly. The ethnic cleansing and the destruction you mentioned should never have happened - like many other things, like the 1974coup -which led to all this.

At last I found a video of the Temple/Altar of Pergamon. A very unexpected find. Tragic.

enjoy:

[youtube]http://www.tripwolf.com/en/guide/show/175914/Germany/Berlin/PergamonMuseum[/youtube]

Why did you mention the Coup?

Is that some poor attempt in justifying the destruction of Greek Cypriot heritage?

Was the coup a good thing or a bad thing? I dont take brother killing brother lightly, brother.

There is NO justification whatsoever to the wanton destruction of Cyprus. If you did a poll, with one exception you will find that no TC will justify these actions.

The Coup was bad...

But I fail to comprehend as to why you would mention this when we were discussing stolen Cypriot artifacts.

I was asking you if you were attempting to gain some justification for Turkey's actions....

The day the coup happened, I was watering my donkey. Therefore I conclude that the coup was caused by me watering the donkey. OK!!

Just don't do it again then...

I hope you have learned you lesson!

You are asking for trouble. If I turned the heat up then..................

[Get Real!]

Samarkeolog,

Mosques and Islam in general, has been alive and well in the unoccupied area of Cyprus ever since I can remember…

http://www.islamicfinder.org/worldIslam ... prus&lang=

This Islamic website being run in the unoccupied area of Cyprus, belongs to a CF member…

http://www.geocities.com/qamarsland/cig.html

From your link, take a look at the pictures of the mosques and compare those to the state of so many of the churches in the occupied territory…

http://cyprustemples.com/selectreligion.asp

As for the land being used by Ottomans to erect Mosques, the Ottomans gave their soldiers land grants provided they settled on Cyprus, so where do you suppose the Ottomans got that land from?

[Get Real!]

and the Hagia Sophia?

That should be returned to Rome or present day Italy of course...

[denizaksulu]

and the Hagia Sophia?

That should be returned to Rome or present day Italy of course...

Stone by stone, like the British and the Germans.

[Oracle]

Samarkeolog,

Mosques and Islam in general, has been alive and well in the unoccupied area of Cyprus ever since I can remember…

http://www.islamicfinder.org/worldIslam ... prus&lang=

This Islamic website being run in the unoccupied area of Cyprus, belongs to a CF member…

http://www.geocities.com/qamarsland/cig.html

From your link, take a look at the pictures of the mosques and compare those to the state of so many of the churches in the occupied territory…

http://cyprustemples.com/selectreligion.asp

As for the land being used by Ottomans to erect Mosques, the Ottomans gave their soldiers land grants provided they settled on Cyprus, so where do you suppose the Ottomans got that land from?

A regular GR! back on form again

[Oracle]

and the Hagia Sophia?

That should be returned to Rome or present day Italy of course...

And the lunatic version still lingering on ....

[denizaksulu]

and the Hagia Sophia?

That should be returned to Rome or present day Italy of course...

And the lunatic version still lingering on ....

SCHIZOPHRENIA? Oh poor GR.

[samarkeolog]

Here are the remains of Goshi Mosque (Kossi Camisi).

If the churches are to be restored, and the mosques, so should the homes. Eighty Greek Cypriot homes have been destroyed in Rizokarpaso. Up to a few hundred Greek Cypriot homes may have been destroyed during the 1963-1974 conflict. Thousands of Turkish Cypriot homes have been destroyed across the island.

Greek Cypriots rightly complain that their churches have been damaged or destroyed. But many mosques have been destroyed, and entire Turkish Cypriot villages. It's historically inaccurate and dangerous only to acknowledge and talk about churches' treatment. It encourages bitterness and division, and will help keep the island partitioned.

[Edited to make it read 1963-1974, not 1963-197...]

Before you make sweeping statements, perhaps you need to look into the history of "entire Turkish Cypriot villages " that were "destroyed" or of "razed" mosques .... and make sure that the Turkish Army/TMT or more natural elements like earthquakes and weather were not instrumental in these processes.

Pano Koutraphas was not destroyed by earthquake (unless it was a bloody tiny one, which didn't even make it to Kato Koutraphas...).

Agioi Eliophotoi was not washed down the hillside in the rain (unless it really was made of very poor stone, and the perfect, untouched church above it was built upon far firmer foundations...).

TMT did not destroy them.

The Turkish Army did not destroy them.

You embarrass yourself with these unscientific ideas and conspiracy theories.