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[YFred]

I was just wondering what kind of a mosque one can build for 309,000 Euros, because that would be the average cost per each mosque if it only costs 6.5 Million Euros to build 21 mosques.?

I can't believe it costs 309,000 Euros just to place a minaret on a church and to remove a cross.

OK, now the light has come on in my head.!

Thanks, DT.!

Why not use the bell tower/campanilla. The Spanish did that in Cordova.

They dont need a minaret anyway. Even in Istanbul they use hoparlor/loud hailers/speakers. All they need is a telegraph pole. Even better leave the churches alone and let the Christian citizens follow their own religion in their own churches. The money for the mosques can go towards paying for the civil servants wages or the care of the elderly.

Judging by your comments, I nominate you for the next director of Social Services, but you are not getting anywhere near the Efkaf building, you may upset Mr Muftu and some hocas.

[denizaksulu]

I was just wondering what kind of a mosque one can build for 309,000 Euros, because that would be the average cost per each mosque if it only costs 6.5 Million Euros to build 21 mosques.?

I can't believe it costs 309,000 Euros just to place a minaret on a church and to remove a cross.

OK, now the light has come on in my head.!

Thanks, DT.!

Why not use the bell tower/campanilla. The Spanish did that in Cordova.

They dont need a minaret anyway. Even in Istanbul they use hoparlor/loud hailers/speakers. All they need is a telegraph pole. Even better leave the churches alone and let the Christian citizens follow their own religion in their own churches. The money for the mosques can go towards paying for the civil servants wages or the care of the elderly.

Judging by your comments, I nominate you for the next director of Social Services, but you are not getting anywhere near the Efkaf building, you may upset Mr Muftu and some hocas.

Stupid remark.

Havent you read that there is NO EVKAF!!!

[YFred]

I was just wondering what kind of a mosque one can build for 309,000 Euros, because that would be the average cost per each mosque if it only costs 6.5 Million Euros to build 21 mosques.?

I can't believe it costs 309,000 Euros just to place a minaret on a church and to remove a cross.

OK, now the light has come on in my head.!

Thanks, DT.!

Why not use the bell tower/campanilla. The Spanish did that in Cordova.

They dont need a minaret anyway. Even in Istanbul they use hoparlor/loud hailers/speakers. All they need is a telegraph pole. Even better leave the churches alone and let the Christian citizens follow their own religion in their own churches. The money for the mosques can go towards paying for the civil servants wages or the care of the elderly.

Judging by your comments, I nominate you for the next director of Social Services, but you are not getting anywhere near the Efkaf building, you may upset Mr Muftu and some hocas.

Stupid remark.

Havent you read that there is NO EVKAF!!!

No No No, there are no evkaf lands, it does exist, its just very poor.

[denizaksulu]

I was just wondering what kind of a mosque one can build for 309,000 Euros, because that would be the average cost per each mosque if it only costs 6.5 Million Euros to build 21 mosques.?

I can't believe it costs 309,000 Euros just to place a minaret on a church and to remove a cross.

OK, now the light has come on in my head.!

Thanks, DT.!

Why not use the bell tower/campanilla. The Spanish did that in Cordova.

They dont need a minaret anyway. Even in Istanbul they use hoparlor/loud hailers/speakers. All they need is a telegraph pole. Even better leave the churches alone and let the Christian citizens follow their own religion in their own churches. The money for the mosques can go towards paying for the civil servants wages or the care of the elderly.

Judging by your comments, I nominate you for the next director of Social Services, but you are not getting anywhere near the Efkaf building, you may upset Mr Muftu and some hocas.

Stupid remark.

Havent you read that there is NO EVKAF!!!

No No No, there are no evkaf lands, it does exist, its just very poor.

How can a land be poor? Get the lazy sods off their backsides. Oops, I nearly forgot. They are all doctors, pharmacists and lawyers or abroad.

I suppose the Anatolians can begin growing papaverum again for the Americans.

[Oracle]

Here are the remains of Goshi Mosque (Kossi Camisi).

If the churches are to be restored, and the mosques, so should the homes. Eighty Greek Cypriot homes have been destroyed in Rizokarpaso. Up to a few hundred Greek Cypriot homes may have been destroyed during the 1963-1974 conflict. Thousands of Turkish Cypriot homes have been destroyed across the island.

Greek Cypriots rightly complain that their churches have been damaged or destroyed. But many mosques have been destroyed, and entire Turkish Cypriot villages. It's historically inaccurate and dangerous only to acknowledge and talk about churches' treatment. It encourages bitterness and division, and will help keep the island partitioned.

[Edited to make it read 1963-1974, not 1963-197...]

Before you make sweeping statements, perhaps you need to look into the history of "entire Turkish Cypriot villages " that were "destroyed" or of "razed" mosques .... and make sure that the Turkish Army/TMT or more natural elements like earthquakes and weather were not instrumental in these processes.

But, selective acquisition of Ecclesiastical furnishings and icons being found in auction rooms round the world are an entirely different matter.

So to is the matter of deliberate conversion of Churches to Mosques or stables ... (same thing in my opinion!)

[Icarus]

The Turkish Cypriots should be given an ultimatum to repair all the churches within a reasonable period of time or Tekke turned into a pig sty.

Fair & square is the way I like it…

Fair and square: the Greek Cypriots should also be given the same amount of time to repair all of the mosques. But what will they do about the ones they razed to the ground?

I presume you want the Turkish Cypriots to rebuild the Church of Panagia Apagou in Khelones and the Church of Agia Katerina in Gerani.

So, presumably, the Greek Cypriots should also rebuild the mosques in Kidasi, Phalia, Goshi, Ktima Paphos, Deneia, Flasou, Korakou, Loukrounou, Fasli, Magounda...? (And I list those mosques because they're the ones documented by the bicommunal Cyprus Temples project, so you can't dismiss it as propaganda.)

What deadline would you like?

Presenting only one community as the victim is untrue and unhelpful. Nationalist extremists on both sides have destroyed lives and communities. If you don't acknowledge that and do something about it, you will never rescue your country, or even your community, because extremism will thrive and innocent individuals and communities will continue to suffer. If you want your churches repaired, why don't you consider a paired project - repair one church, repair one mosque?

If you continue to tell the other community to repair your churches while you leave their mosques to decay, and when you have destroyed so many mosques that are now not ruins, but archaeological sites under the soil, you will achieve nothing.

I have seen many mosques in the Republic of Cyprus in a very good state of repair. I can't say the same about Greek Orthodox Churches and cemeteries.

How much time is required recovering all Cypriot Antiquities and Byzantine Icons?

http://www.savingantiquities.org/featur ... sicons.php

http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules. ... t&sid=4964

http://www.museum-security.org/cyprus-a ... n-rijn.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/01/world ... wanted=all

http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Proble ... tion2.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1768274.stm

Less time would be required if the Republic of Cyprus did not buy back stolen antiquities from the market. A lot of the money goes to the Grey Wolves and the Turkish Deep State and bankrolls their continued looting and destruction.

This is the most ridiculous statement.

Firstly, I am not sure as to the lengths the Republic of Cyprus is going to in order retrieve stolen antiquities and precious artifacts.

But if they are trying to buy there stolen artifacts, then I do not blame them. National heritage is a very important thing, and I am sure that many of these items are priceless to all Cypriots.

But surely, if stolen artifacts are found overseas, then these artifacts would be returned to their rightful owners by the authorities, free of charge. This is what usually happens when stolen goods are found by law enforcement agencies. They are eventually returned!

[denizaksulu]

The Turkish Cypriots should be given an ultimatum to repair all the churches within a reasonable period of time or Tekke turned into a pig sty.

Fair & square is the way I like it…

Fair and square: the Greek Cypriots should also be given the same amount of time to repair all of the mosques. But what will they do about the ones they razed to the ground?

I presume you want the Turkish Cypriots to rebuild the Church of Panagia Apagou in Khelones and the Church of Agia Katerina in Gerani.

So, presumably, the Greek Cypriots should also rebuild the mosques in Kidasi, Phalia, Goshi, Ktima Paphos, Deneia, Flasou, Korakou, Loukrounou, Fasli, Magounda...? (And I list those mosques because they're the ones documented by the bicommunal Cyprus Temples project, so you can't dismiss it as propaganda.)

What deadline would you like?

Presenting only one community as the victim is untrue and unhelpful. Nationalist extremists on both sides have destroyed lives and communities. If you don't acknowledge that and do something about it, you will never rescue your country, or even your community, because extremism will thrive and innocent individuals and communities will continue to suffer. If you want your churches repaired, why don't you consider a paired project - repair one church, repair one mosque?

If you continue to tell the other community to repair your churches while you leave their mosques to decay, and when you have destroyed so many mosques that are now not ruins, but archaeological sites under the soil, you will achieve nothing.

I have seen many mosques in the Republic of Cyprus in a very good state of repair. I can't say the same about Greek Orthodox Churches and cemeteries.

How much time is required recovering all Cypriot Antiquities and Byzantine Icons?

http://www.savingantiquities.org/featur ... sicons.php

http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules. ... t&sid=4964

http://www.museum-security.org/cyprus-a ... n-rijn.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/01/world ... wanted=all

http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Proble ... tion2.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1768274.stm

Less time would be required if the Republic of Cyprus did not buy back stolen antiquities from the market. A lot of the money goes to the Grey Wolves and the Turkish Deep State and bankrolls their continued looting and destruction.

This is the most ridiculous statement.

Firstly, I am not sure as to the lengths the Republic of Cyprus is going to in order retrieve stolen antiquities and precious artifacts.

But if they are trying to buy there stolen artifacts, then I do not blame them. National heritage is a very important thing, and I am sure that many of these items are priceless to all Cypriots.

But surely, if stolen artifacts are found overseas, then these artifacts would be returned to their rightful owners by the authorities, free of charge. This is what usually happens when stolen goods are found by law enforcement agencies. They are eventually returned!

The Elgin Marbles should be returned to their rightful owners. So should the Temple of Bergamon in the Berlin Museum.

[AWE]

and the Hagia Sophia?

[Icarus]

The Turkish Cypriots should be given an ultimatum to repair all the churches within a reasonable period of time or Tekke turned into a pig sty.

Fair & square is the way I like it…

Fair and square: the Greek Cypriots should also be given the same amount of time to repair all of the mosques. But what will they do about the ones they razed to the ground?

I presume you want the Turkish Cypriots to rebuild the Church of Panagia Apagou in Khelones and the Church of Agia Katerina in Gerani.

So, presumably, the Greek Cypriots should also rebuild the mosques in Kidasi, Phalia, Goshi, Ktima Paphos, Deneia, Flasou, Korakou, Loukrounou, Fasli, Magounda...? (And I list those mosques because they're the ones documented by the bicommunal Cyprus Temples project, so you can't dismiss it as propaganda.)

What deadline would you like?

Presenting only one community as the victim is untrue and unhelpful. Nationalist extremists on both sides have destroyed lives and communities. If you don't acknowledge that and do something about it, you will never rescue your country, or even your community, because extremism will thrive and innocent individuals and communities will continue to suffer. If you want your churches repaired, why don't you consider a paired project - repair one church, repair one mosque?

If you continue to tell the other community to repair your churches while you leave their mosques to decay, and when you have destroyed so many mosques that are now not ruins, but archaeological sites under the soil, you will achieve nothing.

I have seen many mosques in the Republic of Cyprus in a very good state of repair. I can't say the same about Greek Orthodox Churches and cemeteries.

How much time is required recovering all Cypriot Antiquities and Byzantine Icons?

http://www.savingantiquities.org/featur ... sicons.php

http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules. ... t&sid=4964

http://www.museum-security.org/cyprus-a ... n-rijn.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/01/world ... wanted=all

http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Proble ... tion2.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1768274.stm

Less time would be required if the Republic of Cyprus did not buy back stolen antiquities from the market. A lot of the money goes to the Grey Wolves and the Turkish Deep State and bankrolls their continued looting and destruction.

This is the most ridiculous statement.

Firstly, I am not sure as to the lengths the Republic of Cyprus is going to in order retrieve stolen antiquities and precious artifacts.

But if they are trying to buy there stolen artifacts, then I do not blame them. National heritage is a very important thing, and I am sure that many of these items are priceless to all Cypriots.

But surely, if stolen artifacts are found overseas, then these artifacts would be returned to their rightful owners by the authorities, free of charge. This is what usually happens when stolen goods are found by law enforcement agencies. They are eventually returned!

The Elgin Marbles should be returned to their rightful owners. So should the Temple of Bergamon in the Berlin Museum.

Yes they should also be returned.

However, you can never compare the Elgin Marbles with the complete and systematic eradication of Greek Cypriot inheritance from the lands they were ethnically cleansed from by brute force. Greek Cypriot heritage has been plundered by Turkish invaders, and many priceless icons and antiquities have been pawned by Turkish Racqueteer criminal elements.

You are comparing the Elgin Marbles, which is itself wrong, to the elimination of Greek Cypriot heritage which is the most despicable war crime of altering the island's character and and destroying our heritage.

Turkey should be ashamed...

[bill cobbett]

The Turkish Cypriots should be given an ultimatum to repair all the churches within a reasonable period of time or Tekke turned into a pig sty.

Fair & square is the way I like it…

Fair and square: the Greek Cypriots should also be given the same amount of time to repair all of the mosques. But what will they do about the ones they razed to the ground?

I presume you want the Turkish Cypriots to rebuild the Church of Panagia Apagou in Khelones and the Church of Agia Katerina in Gerani.

So, presumably, the Greek Cypriots should also rebuild the mosques in Kidasi, Phalia, Goshi, Ktima Paphos, Deneia, Flasou, Korakou, Loukrounou, Fasli, Magounda...? (And I list those mosques because they're the ones documented by the bicommunal Cyprus Temples project, so you can't dismiss it as propaganda.)

Pollocks! The Marbles belong to us North Londoners. The Bleeding Athenicians can go take a running jump.
What deadline would you like?

Presenting only one community as the victim is untrue and unhelpful. Nationalist extremists on both sides have destroyed lives and communities. If you don't acknowledge that and do something about it, you will never rescue your country, or even your community, because extremism will thrive and innocent individuals and communities will continue to suffer. If you want your churches repaired, why don't you consider a paired project - repair one church, repair one mosque?

If you continue to tell the other community to repair your churches while you leave their mosques to decay, and when you have destroyed so many mosques that are now not ruins, but archaeological sites under the soil, you will achieve nothing.

I have seen many mosques in the Republic of Cyprus in a very good state of repair. I can't say the same about Greek Orthodox Churches and cemeteries.

How much time is required recovering all Cypriot Antiquities and Byzantine Icons?

http://www.savingantiquities.org/featur ... sicons.php

http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules. ... t&sid=4964

http://www.museum-security.org/cyprus-a ... n-rijn.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/01/world ... wanted=all

http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Proble ... tion2.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1768274.stm

Less time would be required if the Republic of Cyprus did not buy back stolen antiquities from the market. A lot of the money goes to the Grey Wolves and the Turkish Deep State and bankrolls their continued looting and destruction.

This is the most ridiculous statement.

Firstly, I am not sure as to the lengths the Republic of Cyprus is going to in order retrieve stolen antiquities and precious artifacts.

But if they are trying to buy there stolen artifacts, then I do not blame them. National heritage is a very important thing, and I am sure that many of these items are priceless to all Cypriots.

But surely, if stolen artifacts are found overseas, then these artifacts would be returned to their rightful owners by the authorities, free of charge. This is what usually happens when stolen goods are found by law enforcement agencies. They are eventually returned!

The Elgin Marbles should be returned to their rightful owners. So should the Temple of Bergamon in the Berlin Museum.