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[Tim Drayton]

According to an article in yesterday's Afrika newspaper, Turkey is providing 3.75 million TL in support for health services, 4 million TL in support for education and 16 million TL to build these 21 new mosques. Are the existing mosques in Cyprus filled to capacity?

To answer your question, no. However TRNC is need of construction activity, so Allahu-ekber. I am not even religous.
They may even spend some of that money converting the churches!

Perhaps I may add a "Tanrı uludur" to your sentiments!

I also read in yesterday's Afrika that pine and cypress saplings have taken root in the Venetian walls, dating from 1567, in the northern part of Nicosia. The walls are apparently made of earth covered in stone, and some of these saplings have grown to a height of one metre. Clearly, if nothing is done, as these saplings grow they will tear the walls apart. Afrika reports that the historic walls are already on the verge of collapse in the vicinity of the Presidential Palace.

So, in fact, construction activity is desperately needed to save Nicosia's cultural heritage.

I was in Famagusta a couple of months ago and took an extensive walk around the old Venetian city. What I saw left me heartbroken. Apart from one or two iconic buildings which are being maintained everything appears to be gradually crumbling to pieces. The sad thing is that Famagusta should be the jewel in the crown of Cyprus tourism. Instead, with Varosha fenced off, the streets of the town centre filled with the unemployed lumpen proletariat offspring of Anatolian settlers and the splendours of the Venetian past left to crumble into dust, the place is an eyesore.

If there is a need to boost the TRNC construction sector, how about devoting some money to restoring the remaining Venetian architectural heritage, expenditure that will eventually be recouped in additional income from tourism? Is the AKP government interested in preserving the historic hertiage of Cyprus? I doubt it.

If anyone can, RoC can and should for the benefit of all the island. The money should come from the TC section of the donations made to the RoC by the international community, which the GC government has stolen for the past 35 years.

OK, but don't you think that quite a bit could be done with this 6.5 million euro that has been earmarked for building mosques?

If it was up to me I would not spend any of it on mosques, but I think AKP being an offshoot of old Erbakan's party would oblect to it and the chances are it will be withdrawn.

I agree with you, old chap. The AKP has a very different agenda. I am simply suggesting that the genuine interests of Cyprus are not particularly dear to the AKP's heart.

Denize dushen yilana sarilir! Its the best we've had.

Başka bir denize düşseydiniz bari!

[YFred]

According to an article in yesterday's Afrika newspaper, Turkey is providing 3.75 million TL in support for health services, 4 million TL in support for education and 16 million TL to build these 21 new mosques. Are the existing mosques in Cyprus filled to capacity?

To answer your question, no. However TRNC is need of construction activity, so Allahu-ekber. I am not even religous.
They may even spend some of that money converting the churches!

Perhaps I may add a "Tanrı uludur" to your sentiments!

I also read in yesterday's Afrika that pine and cypress saplings have taken root in the Venetian walls, dating from 1567, in the northern part of Nicosia. The walls are apparently made of earth covered in stone, and some of these saplings have grown to a height of one metre. Clearly, if nothing is done, as these saplings grow they will tear the walls apart. Afrika reports that the historic walls are already on the verge of collapse in the vicinity of the Presidential Palace.

So, in fact, construction activity is desperately needed to save Nicosia's cultural heritage.

I was in Famagusta a couple of months ago and took an extensive walk around the old Venetian city. What I saw left me heartbroken. Apart from one or two iconic buildings which are being maintained everything appears to be gradually crumbling to pieces. The sad thing is that Famagusta should be the jewel in the crown of Cyprus tourism. Instead, with Varosha fenced off, the streets of the town centre filled with the unemployed lumpen proletariat offspring of Anatolian settlers and the splendours of the Venetian past left to crumble into dust, the place is an eyesore.

If there is a need to boost the TRNC construction sector, how about devoting some money to restoring the remaining Venetian architectural heritage, expenditure that will eventually be recouped in additional income from tourism? Is the AKP government interested in preserving the historic hertiage of Cyprus? I doubt it.

If anyone can, RoC can and should for the benefit of all the island. The money should come from the TC section of the donations made to the RoC by the international community, which the GC government has stolen for the past 35 years.

OK, but don't you think that quite a bit could be done with this 6.5 million euro that has been earmarked for building mosques?

If it was up to me I would not spend any of it on mosques, but I think AKP being an offshoot of old Erbakan's party would oblect to it and the chances are it will be withdrawn.

I agree with you, old chap. The AKP has a very different agenda. I am simply suggesting that the genuine interests of Cyprus are not particularly dear to the AKP's heart.

Denize dushen yilana sarilir! Its the best we've had.

Başka bir denize düşseydiniz bari!

Yani, Başka denizin yilanlari daha iyimi? Ne fark eder.
Tim, which part of UK are you from?

[Tim Drayton]

According to an article in yesterday's Afrika newspaper, Turkey is providing 3.75 million TL in support for health services, 4 million TL in support for education and 16 million TL to build these 21 new mosques. Are the existing mosques in Cyprus filled to capacity?

To answer your question, no. However TRNC is need of construction activity, so Allahu-ekber. I am not even religous.
They may even spend some of that money converting the churches!

Perhaps I may add a "Tanrı uludur" to your sentiments!

I also read in yesterday's Afrika that pine and cypress saplings have taken root in the Venetian walls, dating from 1567, in the northern part of Nicosia. The walls are apparently made of earth covered in stone, and some of these saplings have grown to a height of one metre. Clearly, if nothing is done, as these saplings grow they will tear the walls apart. Afrika reports that the historic walls are already on the verge of collapse in the vicinity of the Presidential Palace.

So, in fact, construction activity is desperately needed to save Nicosia's cultural heritage.

I was in Famagusta a couple of months ago and took an extensive walk around the old Venetian city. What I saw left me heartbroken. Apart from one or two iconic buildings which are being maintained everything appears to be gradually crumbling to pieces. The sad thing is that Famagusta should be the jewel in the crown of Cyprus tourism. Instead, with Varosha fenced off, the streets of the town centre filled with the unemployed lumpen proletariat offspring of Anatolian settlers and the splendours of the Venetian past left to crumble into dust, the place is an eyesore.

If there is a need to boost the TRNC construction sector, how about devoting some money to restoring the remaining Venetian architectural heritage, expenditure that will eventually be recouped in additional income from tourism? Is the AKP government interested in preserving the historic hertiage of Cyprus? I doubt it.

If anyone can, RoC can and should for the benefit of all the island. The money should come from the TC section of the donations made to the RoC by the international community, which the GC government has stolen for the past 35 years.

OK, but don't you think that quite a bit could be done with this 6.5 million euro that has been earmarked for building mosques?

If it was up to me I would not spend any of it on mosques, but I think AKP being an offshoot of old Erbakan's party would oblect to it and the chances are it will be withdrawn.

I agree with you, old chap. The AKP has a very different agenda. I am simply suggesting that the genuine interests of Cyprus are not particularly dear to the AKP's heart.

Denize dushen yilana sarilir! Its the best we've had.

Başka bir denize düşseydiniz bari!

Yani, Başka denizin yilanlari daha iyimi? Ne fark eder.
Tim, which part of UK are you from?

Home counties, but lived in Scotland for a long time as a child/youth as well.

[denizaksulu]

According to an article in yesterday's Afrika newspaper, Turkey is providing 3.75 million TL in support for health services, 4 million TL in support for education and 16 million TL to build these 21 new mosques. Are the existing mosques in Cyprus filled to capacity?

To answer your question, no. However TRNC is need of construction activity, so Allahu-ekber. I am not even religous.
They may even spend some of that money converting the churches!

Perhaps I may add a "Tanrı uludur" to your sentiments!

I also read in yesterday's Afrika that pine and cypress saplings have taken root in the Venetian walls, dating from 1567, in the northern part of Nicosia. The walls are apparently made of earth covered in stone, and some of these saplings have grown to a height of one metre. Clearly, if nothing is done, as these saplings grow they will tear the walls apart. Afrika reports that the historic walls are already on the verge of collapse in the vicinity of the Presidential Palace.

So, in fact, construction activity is desperately needed to save Nicosia's cultural heritage.

I was in Famagusta a couple of months ago and took an extensive walk around the old Venetian city. What I saw left me heartbroken. Apart from one or two iconic buildings which are being maintained everything appears to be gradually crumbling to pieces. The sad thing is that Famagusta should be the jewel in the crown of Cyprus tourism. Instead, with Varosha fenced off, the streets of the town centre filled with the unemployed lumpen proletariat offspring of Anatolian settlers and the splendours of the Venetian past left to crumble into dust, the place is an eyesore.

If there is a need to boost the TRNC construction sector, how about devoting some money to restoring the remaining Venetian architectural heritage, expenditure that will eventually be recouped in additional income from tourism? Is the AKP government interested in preserving the historic hertiage of Cyprus? I doubt it.

If anyone can, RoC can and should for the benefit of all the island. The money should come from the TC section of the donations made to the RoC by the international community, which the GC government has stolen for the past 35 years.

OK, but don't you think that quite a bit could be done with this 6.5 million euro that has been earmarked for building mosques?

If it was up to me I would not spend any of it on mosques, but I think AKP being an offshoot of old Erbakan's party would oblect to it and the chances are it will be withdrawn.

I agree with you, old chap. The AKP has a very different agenda. I am simply suggesting that the genuine interests of Cyprus are not particularly dear to the AKP's heart.

Denize dushen yilana sarilir! Its the best we've had.

I aint that bad Yfred. Give me a break

[samarkeolog]

The Turkish Cypriots should be given an ultimatum to repair all the churches within a reasonable period of time or Tekke turned into a pig sty.

Fair & square is the way I like it…

Fair and square: the Greek Cypriots should also be given the same amount of time to repair all of the mosques. But what will they do about the ones they razed to the ground?

I presume you want the Turkish Cypriots to rebuild the Church of Panagia Apagou in Khelones and the Church of Agia Katerina in Gerani.

So, presumably, the Greek Cypriots should also rebuild the mosques in Kidasi, Phalia, Goshi, Ktima Paphos, Deneia, Flasou, Korakou, Loukrounou, Fasli, Magounda...? (And I list those mosques because they're the ones documented by the bicommunal Cyprus Temples project, so you can't dismiss it as propaganda.)

What deadline would you like?

Presenting only one community as the victim is untrue and unhelpful. Nationalist extremists on both sides have destroyed lives and communities. If you don't acknowledge that and do something about it, you will never rescue your country, or even your community, because extremism will thrive and innocent individuals and communities will continue to suffer. If you want your churches repaired, why don't you consider a paired project - repair one church, repair one mosque?

If you continue to tell the other community to repair your churches while you leave their mosques to decay, and when you have destroyed so many mosques that are now not ruins, but archaeological sites under the soil, you will achieve nothing.

[Oracle]

Surely the ability to "repair" comes in to question.

With weathered, neglected Mosques, sure ... the RoC can spruce up as necessary, and has done as far as I know, consistently, from the one I have seen near Polis.

But, what of the centuries old Churches, whose artifacts and antiquities of unparalleled ecclesiastical significance, which are now dispersed throughout the world, some never to be seen again... how do you "repair" those? ... Do you ask some Turkish painter to throw together some reproduction?

What of the deliberately stripped furnishings and architectural features, in the near one-thousand year old GC Churches ... what materials can you trust the "trnc" botchers to throw upon these?

You are denying the deliberate vandalism of Churches perpetrated by the invaders to remove the traditions of the GCs ... and comparing it with weathered neglect of Mosques.

[AWE]

Perhaps a joint project with Cypriot craftspeople working together on each communities buildings...

[Icarus]

The Turkish Cypriots should be given an ultimatum to repair all the churches within a reasonable period of time or Tekke turned into a pig sty.

Fair & square is the way I like it…

Fair and square: the Greek Cypriots should also be given the same amount of time to repair all of the mosques. But what will they do about the ones they razed to the ground?

I presume you want the Turkish Cypriots to rebuild the Church of Panagia Apagou in Khelones and the Church of Agia Katerina in Gerani.

So, presumably, the Greek Cypriots should also rebuild the mosques in Kidasi, Phalia, Goshi, Ktima Paphos, Deneia, Flasou, Korakou, Loukrounou, Fasli, Magounda...? (And I list those mosques because they're the ones documented by the bicommunal Cyprus Temples project, so you can't dismiss it as propaganda.)

What deadline would you like?

Presenting only one community as the victim is untrue and unhelpful. Nationalist extremists on both sides have destroyed lives and communities. If you don't acknowledge that and do something about it, you will never rescue your country, or even your community, because extremism will thrive and innocent individuals and communities will continue to suffer. If you want your churches repaired, why don't you consider a paired project - repair one church, repair one mosque?

If you continue to tell the other community to repair your churches while you leave their mosques to decay, and when you have destroyed so many mosques that are now not ruins, but archaeological sites under the soil, you will achieve nothing.

I have seen many mosques in the Republic of Cyprus in a very good state of repair. I can't say the same about Greek Orthodox Churches and cemeteries.

How much time is required recovering all Cypriot Antiquities and Byzantine Icons?

http://www.savingantiquities.org/featur ... sicons.php

http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules. ... t&sid=4964

http://www.museum-security.org/cyprus-a ... n-rijn.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/01/world ... wanted=all

http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Proble ... tion2.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1768274.stm

[samarkeolog]

Surely the ability to "repair" comes in to question....

You are denying the deliberate vandalism of Churches perpetrated by the invaders to remove the traditions of the GCs ... and comparing it with weathered neglect of Mosques.

I presume you're not referring to me, as I explicitly noted two churches being razed to the ground.

I would like to think you hadn't even read my post, because I listed a number of mosques that had been razed to the ground and provided the link to a bicommunal project, where you could see photographs of the mosques, or, if there were no remains, the bicommunal project's description of the site.

Mosques did not only suffer from weather and neglect.

Either accept the facts, or at least, please, don't repeat dangerous lies.

[samarkeolog]

The Turkish Cypriots should be given an ultimatum to repair all the churches within a reasonable period of time or Tekke turned into a pig sty.

Fair & square is the way I like it…

Fair and square: the Greek Cypriots should also be given the same amount of time to repair all of the mosques. But what will they do about the ones they razed to the ground?

I presume you want the Turkish Cypriots to rebuild the Church of Panagia Apagou in Khelones and the Church of Agia Katerina in Gerani.

So, presumably, the Greek Cypriots should also rebuild the mosques in Kidasi, Phalia, Goshi, Ktima Paphos, Deneia, Flasou, Korakou, Loukrounou, Fasli, Magounda...? (And I list those mosques because they're the ones documented by the bicommunal Cyprus Temples project, so you can't dismiss it as propaganda.)

What deadline would you like?

Presenting only one community as the victim is untrue and unhelpful. Nationalist extremists on both sides have destroyed lives and communities. If you don't acknowledge that and do something about it, you will never rescue your country, or even your community, because extremism will thrive and innocent individuals and communities will continue to suffer. If you want your churches repaired, why don't you consider a paired project - repair one church, repair one mosque?

If you continue to tell the other community to repair your churches while you leave their mosques to decay, and when you have destroyed so many mosques that are now not ruins, but archaeological sites under the soil, you will achieve nothing.

I have seen many mosques in the Republic of Cyprus in a very good state of repair. I can't say the same about Greek Orthodox Churches and cemeteries.

How much time is required recovering all Cypriot Antiquities and Byzantine Icons?

http://www.savingantiquities.org/featur ... sicons.php

http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules. ... t&sid=4964

http://www.museum-security.org/cyprus-a ... n-rijn.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/01/world ... wanted=all

http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Proble ... tion2.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1768274.stm

Less time would be required if the Republic of Cyprus did not buy back stolen antiquities from the market. A lot of the money goes to the Grey Wolves and the Turkish Deep State and bankrolls their continued looting and destruction.