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[gabaston]

MaC

Ok…..

The more I think this through, even a bi-zonal, bi-federal solution is open to corruption.

Why?

We will end up with minorities on both sides. Assume that in the north tcs outnumber gc by two to one. Democracy will soon put up tc politicians who will promise the earth to the majority (i.e.tcs). just to get their vote, they can promise the earth at the expense of the minority, with the undeclared mandate of “if they don’t like it, they can go to their own side”. Then the administration on the other side respond by doing the same.

Is there a way we can avoid this?

Democratically is this unavoidable?

Seems like we are caught in a no win situation. If we have one cypriot govt again the same situation can arise, whereby the majority vote can easily be gathered at the expense of the minority and we go back to the sixties type govt.

[Kifeas]

kifeas is the person i find myself agreeing with. his views are cool by me and i never disagree with what he has said

Thank you Demetriou for finding my posts cool.

However you didn't follow my advice, which was to remove Grivas from your signature.

Grivas did some very few good things for Cyprus but unfortunately he also did many-many bad things too. He ordered the execution of many GCs because they disagreed with him, he attacked and killed many innocent TCs in Kofinou village and he created the EOKA B with the purpose of overthrowing the elected president of Cyprus and make union with Greek Junta, his EOKA B organisation commited murders and carried bomb attacks against police stations and government offices, at a time in which GCs should have been united because Turkey was preparing herself for an invasion in Cyprus. These are some of the many bad things he did against Cyprus because he was stubborn, stupid and fanatic. He carries a lot of the blame and responsibility for the bad situation that we are facing in Cyprus until now.

Perhaps you should replace him with Matsis who was a true hero

[demetriou_74]

Matsis, i have yet to read about him (guessing its a him) do you care to givea brief history. the main EOKA movement was a good thing for cyprus. at least he put his life on the line to save cyprus, which was more than most people were doing. most cypriots were happy to be ruled by every other country, and if they were not they did not do much in the way of stopping it.


sure no doubt he killed greeks, and in his book he admits this, but he only killed people who treachored against cyprus. and as for the turks he ordered to be killed it was deserved. the Brits put turks in charge of the police, who abused their powers.


EOKA B was not one of his greatest ideas, but i still have to larn more before i cast my verdict. However what he did do for cyprus was great and as greek cypriots we should be thankfull.

[brother]

Demetriou you arrogance and general lack of information plus ignorance but yet your willing and imo stupid persistance to keep supporting this murderer just completely baffles me.

sure no doubt he killed greeks, and in his book he admits this, but he only killed people who treachored against cyprus. and as for the turks he ordered to be killed it was deserved. the Brits put turks in charge of the police, who abused their powers.

Well that is just shocking, so thats like saying you think grivas is cool but i am in power and hence have you killed for your different opinion.

Having a different opinion is not a crime and as such no one has the right to kill you, if Grivas the nutcase had even half a brain he could have arrested them and then taken them to trial to prove whatever but he knew that by killing them he installed fear in the people which made them accept his lunatic fantasies just so he would not send his EOKA murderers to their door to kill them.


Demetrio, grow up and stop commenting on issues you have none to complete rubbish ideas of, your estimation among forum members go's down by the day whenever you type lately and keep supporting the biggest murderer cyprus ever saw or will ever see.

[demetriou_74]

Bro we could argue this for year its obvious there is no middle ground. i will say agree to disagree.

[brother]

Your right there is no middle ground majority of GC and all TC agree he was a murderer and a lunatic and it is only the nationalists that supported EOKAB that love him, is that you Demetriou?

[demetriou_74]

i whole heartedly support EOKA but i have not read enough about EOKA B to say. from what i have seen EOKA B was just an attempt for control not liberation

[brother]

So you basing your opinion on assumptions, which frankly is not good enough, please refrain from commenting until you have thoroughly researched the full facts, and then and only then come and express your opinion.

[cannedmoose]

sure no doubt he killed greeks, and in his book he admits this, but he only killed people who treachored against cyprus.

And who made Grivas judge, jury and executioner? The man wanted one thing, power for himself. When he realised that Makarios was in his way, EOKA B magically appeared. Grivas was a man hungry for power, pure and simple and was prepared to kill anyone who was in his way. Yes he was a Greek patriot, but the worst kind of patriot, one who kills his fellow countrymen because they disagree with his perception of what the nation is about. I hope he's burning in the fires of hell as we speak.

[metecyp]

Yes he was a Greek patriot, but the worst kind of patriot, one who kills his fellow countrymen because they disagree with his perception of what the nation is about.

I'm also critical of people who calls themselves patriots or nationalists because they always hide behind the national symbols to avoid criticism. Their "nationalism" makes them always-right and they have no tolerance for other ideas...