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[detailer]

Another imporatant error in your post is that allevies are not a seperate ethnic group in Turkey about Turkey but have different religion.

[demetriou_74]

Kifeas is correct. cyprus is its own country. power should be voted for by the people of cyprus. although there is an unequal ratio of greeks to turks that is irrelevant. democracy should be used. the people vote for what will benifit the people of the country

[Kifeas]

While most of the other things you wrote might be actually right or subjectively discussable, this one is definetly wrong both in law or practice.

1) 1960 agreement states clearly that there are two ethnic groups in R of Cyprus simply called Turkish and Greeks with some "reserved" rights for each society whereas there is no single agreement signed about republic of Turkey which reserves any right for kurdish society in Turkey.

Another one!
The 1960 constitution states that there are two larger communities, The Greek and the Turkish one, and also several other smaller ones. Communities do not make a separate people by them selves nor denote that the country belongs to any one of the two separately. Whether it is mentioned or not, in the constitution of the USA for example, the fact remains one, that there are many communities in this country like the blacks, the Greeks the Anglo-Saxons, the Italians, the Latinos, etc, etc. The fact that there are many communities in the USA, irrespective of their specific mentioning in the constitution or not, doesn’t give each and every one of them separate ownership rights. Nor does it make the USA eligible to belong to any other country of American people’s origin, either in part or as a whole.

2) Prcatically it is wrong, since 1963 there have been significant seperation between two societies since TC rights were attacked and two societies are living in different sections of Cyprus ( Nicosia for example).

There is not country in the world that did not experience a civil war or segregation in its history. The USA for example had experienced a long and very bloody civil war between the South and the North states. It had remained divided on this basis. It has also remained socially and culturally divided on the basis of race, between black and white people. Yet, it is still one country today, without official social and political segregation between north and south or between blacks and whites.

[Main_Source]

Main_Source wrote:
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There is a strong feeling that Cyprus belongs to us, rather than the Greeks and that includes me,


Turkey...what logic makes you come ot the conclusion that Cyprus belongs to Turkey?


Now read this page http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destination ... istory.htm

It says that Cyprus was taken over by the Ottomans. And then it says that there was a Turkish population in Cyprus. I am not saying the whole of the island was ours, nor Greek.There was a Turkish population and there was a Greek population. Now that is why I said, a country trying take over the whole of Cyprus would be a disaster! It would just bring war, nothing else!

Turkey...with this train of thought...then do you think that most of Africa should be given to Britain, France, Holland and Portugal?...do you think India should be given back to Britain? How about most of Europe and N.Africa going to Italy because of it's once Roman Empire?

Shit, why not make the whole of the middle east part of Greece, because Alexander the Great ruled it once. GREECE COULD RULE FROM GREECE TO THE NORTH EAST OF THE INDIAN PENINSULAR!!!

Do you now see how f******g dumb the argument that Cyprus belongs to Turkey is? Cyprus has been populated by a very large majority of Greeks before there was such thing as a Turk.

[cannedmoose]

For once, I actually agree with Kifeas, apart from his last point. Turkey ((* has actually been quite considered in many of his other posts.

[Kifeas]

For once, I actually agree with Kifeas, apart from his last point. Turkey ((* has actually been quite considered in many of his other posts.

I am glad that you found at least one thing to disagree with me, because if you had agreed with me in everything, I would have begun to worry about my own ideas.

Thanks any way!

[detailer]

The 1960 constitution states that there are two larger communities, The Greek and the Turkish one, and also several other smaller ones.

It does not only say that Kifeas. It says that there should be Turkish Cypriot (who is elected by TC) vice president who can veto agreements with other countries and numerous internal laws/actions. Again, I am asking: Is there any right given like that to blacks in USA or kursih in Turkey by law?

Communities do not make a separate people by them selves nor denote that the country belongs to any one of the two separately.

I did not suggest those at any point.

Whether it is mentioned or not, in the constitution of the USA for example, the fact remains one, that there are many communities in this country like the blacks, the Greeks the Anglo-Saxons, the Italians, the Latinos, etc, etc. The fact that there are many communities in the USA, irrespective of their specific mentioning in the constitution or not, doesn’t give each and every one of them separate ownership rights. Nor does it make the USA eligible to belong to any other country of American people’s origin, either in part or as a whole.

Again irrelevant.

[Kifeas]

It does not only say that Kifeas. It says that there should be Turkish Cypriot (who is elected by TC) vice president who can veto agreements with other countries and numerous internal laws/actions. Again, I am asking: Is there any right given like that to blacks in USA or kursih in Turkey by law?

Yes, it does say so. What is the relationship with my arguments? What is the point you want to make?

[Turkey (( *]

Turkey!

I read your stupid ranting and although I realised that you must be some very young block who has ill or partial knowledge of history and political geography and therefore worthless for to a reply, I still feel compelled to say a few things to you.

1.) Cyprus is a country by itself, likewise Turkey is.
2.) Cyprus doesn’t belong to any other country, neither tο Turkey nor tο Greece.
3.) There is no Turkish Cyprus as much as there is no Greek Cyprus. Cyprus is one, indivisible and belongs to its people -those who are eligible to be its citizens.
4.) The people of Cyprus is composed by Greek speaking, Turkish speaking, and by various other ethnic background people. In the same way that Turkey’s people is composed by ethnic Turks, Kurds, allevies, and many other people from various ethnic backgrounds including Armenian, Greek, etc, etc. Like the USA is composed by people of many ethnic backgrounds etc, etc.
5.) Cyprus doesn’t belong to Turkey, simply because it pre-existed the creation of the Turkish state. Like wise, it doesn’t belong to the Ottomans because the Ottoman empire doesn’t exist any longer and also when it existed, it was just one of the many conquering empires that occupied Cyprus by force, during its very long history.
6.) The history of Cyprus is way far longer than the appearance of the Ottoman Empire and also way far longer than the appearance of Turkish people on the planet as an ethnic entity. Cyprus has a written history of 3,500 years. Turkish people have a written history of even less than 1,000 years. The written history of Cyprus coincides with the first appearance of Greek speaking people in Cyprus, who at times were the only people living here but also in all phases of its long history, they were always the vast majority of the Cypriot people.
7.) We do not need any shallow knowledge people like you to tell us what and who we are. I know it is not your fault but rather the fault of the educational system and the nationalistic Kemalist elites of your country, which are experts in the teaching (brain washing) of creative history lessons in schools, universities and in the media.
8.) I advise you to go and do some proper studying before posting “ideas” in this forum.
9.) I will monitor your attitude and quality of your postings and if you continue with provocative postings like the previous ones in which you said that Cyprus belongs to Turkey, I will personally lobby so that you are banned from this forum.

Kifeas!

I may be a young person and I may have partial knowledge of history in this area and I know I may have or have a lot of things to learn as everybody. I registered to this forum to learn and post what I know and think about these topics(I am sure they may be wrong or there may be errors in these posts). I appreciate that you are trying to correct me in such a way I have never seen in may life. Who the f**k do you think you are!! Learn some manners before you talk, the people that write worthless replies and are worthless to write according to you, are next generation people who will solve this problem. And please monitor my attitude and quality of my postings please.I am so scared that you might ban me from this forum:cry:, at least I won't spend hours from morning until mignight reading replies and writing replies! And please continue banning young people who write replies with error, so that the next generation won't have correct ideas. So come on kifeas, start lobbying and ban me, so that I don't lose any sleep and spend my time in my summer holiday writing long replies to people like you who think the next generation is worthless. But believe me, you weren't born as a know-it-all guy as well, you had to learn things like everybody. You had to pass from the point I am passing, so don't let me stop you, go ahead lobby and ban me!!!!!

[Turkey (( *]

Turkey!

I read your stupid ranting and although I realised that you must be some very young block who has ill or partial knowledge of history and political geography and therefore worthless for to a reply, I still feel compelled to say a few things to you.

1.) Cyprus is a country by itself, likewise Turkey is.
2.) Cyprus doesn’t belong to any other country, neither tο Turkey nor tο Greece.
3.) There is no Turkish Cyprus as much as there is no Greek Cyprus. Cyprus is one, indivisible and belongs to its people -those who are eligible to be its citizens.
4.) The people of Cyprus is composed by Greek speaking, Turkish speaking, and by various other ethnic background people. In the same way that Turkey’s people is composed by ethnic Turks, Kurds, allevies, and many other people from various ethnic backgrounds including Armenian, Greek, etc, etc. Like the USA is composed by people of many ethnic backgrounds etc, etc.
5.) Cyprus doesn’t belong to Turkey, simply because it pre-existed the creation of the Turkish state. Like wise, it doesn’t belong to the Ottomans because the Ottoman empire doesn’t exist any longer and also when it existed, it was just one of the many conquering empires that occupied Cyprus by force, during its very long history.
6.) The history of Cyprus is way far longer than the appearance of the Ottoman Empire and also way far longer than the appearance of Turkish people on the planet as an ethnic entity. Cyprus has a written history of 3,500 years. Turkish people have a written history of even less than 1,000 years. The written history of Cyprus coincides with the first appearance of Greek speaking people in Cyprus, who at times were the only people living here but also in all phases of its long history, they were always the vast majority of the Cypriot people.
7.) We do not need any shallow knowledge people like you to tell us what and who we are. I know it is not your fault but rather the fault of the educational system and the nationalistic Kemalist elites of your country, which are experts in the teaching (brain washing) of creative history lessons in schools, universities and in the media.
8.) I advise you to go and do some proper studying before posting “ideas” in this forum.
9.) I will monitor your attitude and quality of your postings and if you continue with provocative postings like the previous ones in which you said that Cyprus belongs to Turkey, I will personally lobby so that you are banned from this forum.

Kifeas!

I may be a young person and I may have partial knowledge of history in this area and I know I may have or have a lot of things to learn as everybody. I registered to this forum to learn and post what I know and think about these topics(I am sure they may be wrong or there may be errors in these posts). I appreciate that you are trying to correct me in such a way I have never seen in may life. Who the f**k do you think you are!! Learn some manners before you talk, the people that write worthless replies and are worthless to write according to you, are next generation people who will solve this problem. And please monitor my attitude and quality of my postings please.I am so scared that you might ban me from this forum , at least I won't spend hours from morning until mignight reading replies and writing replies! And please continue banning young people who write replies with error, so that the next generation won't have correct ideas. So come on kifeas, start lobbying and ban me, so that I don't lose any sleep and spend my time in my summer holiday writing long replies to people like you who think the next generation is worthless. But believe me, you weren't born as a know-it-all guy as well, you had to learn things like everybody. You had to pass from the point I am passing, so don't let me stop you, go ahead lobby and ban me!!!!!