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[brother]

Well on saturday on the news i saw the german police beat a turk of german citizenship for half an hour (captured on various peoples movie cameras and mobile phones) and it was horrific, at least 7 coppers beat the living shit out of this poor chap and his crime, was none as they let him go without charge and now he will be sueing them.
Also at one point you see some policemen trying to stop people recording their brutality and they were foiled by the en masse of people watching who started to encompass them.

[MicAtCyp]

I dont' still understand what this "political-evolution" means. How come GC got their right of independence from UK then, by which kind of "political-evolution"? With the help of the democratic organisation EOKA in which democratic conditions? They forced UK out of Cyprus because they started to threaten security of U.K in Cyprus and U.K got its bases before losing all of it. My friend, these kinds of rights come with military struggle (maybe with economic sanctions in some cases).

No you got it all wrong.The Eoka struggle a product of Democratic political evolutiotion???? Ts,ts.ts..... OK forget about this issue.

Well, first of all, if GC were not after Enosis, there woudn't be any political/social base for TC to be after Taksim. This "overinflated rights" issue is again very subjective. Given that what happened to the forced "deflation" in 1963, I can argue that those rights were not enough to protect themselves.

Look my friend.The 1960 agreements were not a product of free will.Others decided, and others forced them.This was the problem plus the fact the GCs actually wanted Enosis. If those overinflated rights were not enough imagine what would happen if they were more.

I am repeating myself: when you find a right too much for the other party and try to change it by putting military force, you implicitly accept that you can lose what you have as well.

I agree. If those rights were too much the use of force should not be an option.Slowly slowly through democratic dialogue and peaceful processes those things would come to normal.
But I guess we the Cypriots and especially the GCs who were the majority were not politically mature, they thought they would settle everything in a minute.The same was true for the TCs .

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Please MicAtCyp, don't tell me thisa doesn't happen in Europe! Several months ago it came out in the major Turkish newspaper(Milliyet) that some demonstrators in France were beaten by sticks by the police force! These cops may not be in civil clothing, but the thing they did was the same. And I really don't think a bomber or a guilty criminal would stay where he is after seeing the police controlling the area, you don't agree??

Oh, Turkey CC you know the difference between the two better than me.Yes everywhere in the world demonstrators are hit especially if they revert to violence burn cars, shops, etc.
However not in a funeral.Not an 80 year old man.Not because some hysteric woman shouted "curse upon the Turks who killed my husband". Not from police hiding inside the crowd. Not by 20 pilicemen inside a crowd of 40 mourning people.And not so often as in Turkey.

Turkey CC if I tell you that what happens today in Turkey against the Kurds is exactly what was happening in Cyprus against the TCs in the 60s would you beleive me?
I bet today you say "well nothing much happens against the Kurds, only a few troubles in some villages". If I tell you this is exactly what we the GCs were thinking in the past for what was happening against the TCs would you beleive me?