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[JustAnAmerican]

my 5 cents...

5. should Cyprus become liKe USA and opperate a State system with a Central Government
I would say a relatively weak central government, that operates foreign affairs, inner security, international relations. Taxes for instance should be regulated by the federal states (also in order to give business incentives in the north).

This weaker Federal government concept might work, but maintaining the 1 to 4 ratio would be difficult.

As for the flag, I like the current one (which was designed by a TC) but if it must be changed then they should keep the current colours but maybe redesign it. I dont think it should have any blue or red on it.

Psychologically, I dont think GC could accept the red of Turkey on their flag as it would be a basic representation of the Ottoman occupation. As for the blue...well I supposed something similar could be said with TC, I dont know.

I agree totally with Source, you cannot put a flag with a symbol or color that is going to represent the past. Five or six years ago, the US Federal goverment asked the State goverments to eliminate any color or star reference to the Civil War- Confederate flag in our 7 Southern States in the United States. (Southern States were forced to redesign their State flags after the Civil War. Being sneaky and still harboring disdain for the northern states, the State legislatures put small pieces of the confederate flag in their new flags and displayed the confederate flag underneath the State flag. The Confederate flags flew over the state capitals for a 125 years. But the symbols reminded people too much of a terrible history. So they were forced to take down the confederate flags.

[garbitsch]

1. what should happen to the homes illegaly occupied?
Some properties should be returned to their owners. The rest should be asked to the owners if they want to hold that property again or take a compensation.

2. where would the evicted people live?
You mean T.Cs who will be forced to leave the houses after G.Cs come? IF yes, then new houses should be built for them with the help of international donors.

3. what language should be taught in schools?
English, Greek and Turkish should be compulsory until high school. Then, students should be asked whether they still want to study Greek or Turkish.

4. should schools be 'mixed'?
In a bizonal federation, T.Cs and G.Cs should have their own schools.

5. should Cyprus become liKe USA and opperate a State system with a Central Government
No, the US federation is not applicable to the Cyprus case. In this case, I favour Belgian or Swiss model.

6. should EU be involved with running of Cyprus
EU has already involved in daily base affairs of RoC with it's membership to EU.

7. What would the flag be?
A new flag which should NOT include the colours of Red and Blue.

8. how do you stop the past turning into violence?
Education. Demilitarisation. It should be taught that the other side is brothers not the enemy.

[demetriou_74]

i think all homes should be given back to the legal owner. if a person is living in the house they should either buy it if the legal owner wants to sell. or get out. as for where they go i say they are on their own. after the divide they all knew they were never in that home for life. turkey greece etc should stay out of it so that way they have no control. the gov of Cyprus should give tax breaks to firms willing to build up property.

as for schools is say the student should have the choice between greek/turkish and have english and the other language as a secondary option.

[Dhavlos]

1. what should happen to the homes illegaly occupied?

Everyone should be given the chance to go back to their homes, either GC or TC.


2. where would the evicted people live?

The 'victims' are usually the poorest of the poor from turkey, who they wanted to get rid of(like gypsies etc...), and they have apparently been moved around loads of times. They need proper homes, where they are originally from. not only Cyprus/Turkey, but the UN should take note and rehouse them properly...in their villages they came from in Turkey. In my village for example...a load of gypsie-type people who all came from one village came over together


3. what language should be taught in schools?

In predominantly GC areas, obviously greek, and visa versa in TC areas. But a requirement should be that a minimum of each other languages should be taught...and the choice to further that on also.


4. should schools be 'mixed'?

Yes if possible....would encourage interaction outside of school too, that can only be a positive step


5. should Cyprus become liKe USA and opperate a State system with a Central Government

Ok, GCs want to go back to their villages in the north, right? so im guessing that TC would want to move back to the south to their villages too, right?-as long as they were secure nothing bad would happen again?
Isuggest a miulti zonal system, with TC villages groupings being a district, same for Gc ones, and then for towns also...al of which send a Deputy to parliament. So basically a unitary gov't with devolved powers to the districts.


6. should EU be involved with running of Cyprus

Not in the sense of them helping any more than they do with other EU states...you should not integrate an institution like the Eu which might not be everlasting. What happens if it goes?the State needs to be able to operate by itself without outside interdferance...look at the treaty of Guarentee!!!


7. What would the flag be?

I like the old flag...ok it has history, but doesnt it thus show how we have been able to work through our problems....we must not forget the past...we must learn.

8. how do you stop the past turning into violence?

Proper education, i suppose a strong penalty for violence for the short term...especially when you have people who knew/got involved in 1960/74...when a new generation comes through, hopefully sense would have prevailed....as well as reason and rationale so people can live together

[cannedmoose]

6. should EU be involved with running of Cyprus

Not in the sense of them helping any more than they do with other EU states...you should not integrate an institution like the Eu which might not be everlasting. What happens if it goes?the State needs to be able to operate by itself without outside interdferance...look at the treaty of Guarentee!!!

Just on this point Dhavlos, the EU is already intimately involved in how Cypriot state institutions operate. As Cyprus adopted each chapter of the acquis, EU legislation became interwoven with existing domestic legislation, or was transcribed in place of existing (and non-existent) statutes. A recent study by Neill Nugent (2003) estimated that approximately 60% of policies traditionally the realm of nation-states is now subject to EU involvement, and a 1996 study by Schmitter found that in 24 major policy areas, none were exposed to national decision-making processes alone. Therefore, integration has already taken place, the door is open and the horse has bolted. As a result, unless the EU disintegrates and its legal framework is consigned by states to the dustbin of history, Cyprus will never again be the master of its own affairs, nor will any country within the EU or on its close periphery.

[Dhavlos]

Just on this point Dhavlos, the EU is already intimately involved in how Cypriot state institutions operate. As Cyprus adopted each chapter of the acquis, EU legislation became interwoven with existing domestic legislation, or was transcribed in place of existing (and non-existent) statutes. A recent study by Neill Nugent (2003) estimated that approximately 60% of policies traditionally the realm of nation-states is now subject to EU involvement, and a 1996 study by Schmitter found that in 24 major policy areas, none were exposed to national decision-making processes alone. Therefore, integration has already taken place, the door is open and the horse has bolted. As a result, unless the EU disintegrates and its legal framework is consigned by states to the dustbin of history, Cyprus will never again be the master of its own affairs, nor will any country within the EU or on its close periphery.

I understand what u mean...but im saying thats fine, what i mean is that the EU should not be part of a cypriot constitution in this sense: the judiciary, say there is one GC and one TC judge, it should not be written in the law that an EU judge be there also...incase on day the Eu dissappears... then there would be a constitutional crisis... if u see what i mean....

if it doesnt make sense, its probably just me being unclear.

[Agios Amvrosios]

Demilitarise. If possible, Including the British

Are you taking this seriously? Why do you think the Poms farted the Annan plan in the first place. To cement the position of the bases for a bit longer. The British military's on going presence is a fact.Nobody is really going to do anything about it. The Poms haven't even paid rent to the RoC for the bases and the RoC is too shit scared to say anything about it. Don't stir the shit couse they'll come and get you from your bed late at night when your fucking your girlfriend/boyfriend or wife and take you with a pillow case over your head while your still in your undies and electroshock your testicles.

[Saint Jimmy]

First:

Why do you think the Poms farted the Annan plan in the first place. To cement the position of the bases for a bit longer.

and then:

The British military's on going presence is a fact.Nobody is really going to do anything about it.

Man, lay off the booze. Or, lay off your keyboard.

[gabaston]

Saint – again we agree

Didn’t the greeks produce genius?
Pythagaros Archimedes Homer.
Were they not the founders of European intelligence and culture.


all that great stuff they discovered and laid the foundations on which Europe evolved, has now been reduced this.

What went so wrong?