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[bill cobbett]

Ok, as it's a "peaceful thread". On the matter of CY volunteers fighting for European Freedoms ....

A late grandfather and late great uncle together with several others from the old village were amongst the 20,000 cys that volunteered to join the CY Regiment of the GB army.

They spent some time in Egypt, presumably attached to the GB 8th Army, serving in transport. Along with thousands of other CYs they were ordered to Greece in 1940 (?), spent days in ships in or off-shore from Pireaus, sometimes spending the days in the hills and the nights back on ship.

Inevitably, they were taken prisoner and spent the next three to four years in the pow camps in Germany.

I see from the link above that it is confirmed they many tissys also volunteered. In WW1 tissys composed 11% of the volunteers and I see from the memorial to those who gave their lives, a number of tissy names are amongst the fallen from WW2.

Perhaps a few moments to honour those of both comms who served and gave their lives for all our Freedoms.

[kentish]

this is a sad and useless forum when virtually every concilliatory thread is hijacked by the very sad vile woman,oracle,i pity everyone that knows her,i bet they duck when she knocks on her neighbours door because sure as hell she doesnt get a knock on her door

[Get Real!]

I didn't assume anything of the sort ... I had discussed that same roll of honour site with someone else some months ago.

What I queried about this "historical" approach was how it did not account for the workforce demographics which were changed by the GC males who fought in WWII ....

You're an idiot AND a liar!

GCs were, on the whole, away, otherwise engaged fighting for freedom for Britain and against the Nazis ... whilst the TCs, relatively unburdened, were left in Cyprus making hay whilst the sun shone ...

[Piratis]

Yes, the invasion was justified. What took place afterwards was crazy.

I believe that a military intervention was called for after the events of the 15 th of July, for the sole purpose of restoring the constitution.
I however condemn the brutal actions of the Turkish army towards GC civilians. I do recognize that the "intervention" was blown out of proportion and that later events made it into an invasion.

What actually happened was not an intervention of restoring the constitution. What happened was an invasion of Cyprus for the ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots from 1/3rd of Cyprus and the partition of the island. This required the murders and atrocities against innocent people in order to scare the rest and force them to abandon their homes. This is what the invasion really was and it was executed as planned. Do you think it was justified?

If Turkey had not made an invasion, but instead helped the resistance fighters to defeat the coupists the history would be much different. But this is only an imaginary scenario. Not what happened.

So why can't you admit that the Turkish invasion (the real one, not some different imaginary scenario) was not justified? No TC was killed in 1974 until the invasion (and 5 days was plenty of time if there was such intention) and Makarios was at the UN condemning the coup while resistance fighters were fighting against the coupists. There was absolutely no excuse to start an invasion killing indiscriminately 1000s of innocent people and stealing their lands.

Also I want to remind you that our side in the most official way has condemned the coup and the actions of the coupists. Also the president of Cyprus, clearly and officially has condemned all crimes against innocent TC. On the contrary you continue to excuse and even celebrate your crimes against us!

[Oracle]

I didn't assume anything of the sort ... I had discussed that same roll of honour site with someone else some months ago.

What I queried about this "historical" approach was how it did not account for the workforce demographics which were changed by the GC males who fought in WWII ....

You're an idiot AND a liar!

GCs were, on the whole, away, otherwise engaged fighting for freedom for Britain and against the Nazis ... whilst the TCs, relatively unburdened, were left in Cyprus making hay whilst the sun shone ...

This was my actual quote ...

The reduction in the GC male workforce at that time (they went off to fight in WWII), meant the TCs had a more prominent role in Cyprus ... which perhaps they used to their advantage. This bias in the demographic dynamics was not adequately covered by this site and from a historical point of view that was a severe weakness which made the site redundant IMHO.

How were the workforce demographics not changed by the sheer number of GCs who volunteered?

Suddenly, a few thousand jobs became available!

You are incapable of handling statistics as well as history ....

[kentish]

The Common Labour Struggles of Greek and Turkish Cypriots
(Events Through History)

By Pantelis Varnava

A fantastic site! How did we miss this?


http://www.peace-cyprus.org/Memories/Labor/

I had a look at it some time ago with reference to the Limni mine and did not think it was so fantastic.

Without spending time going over it again in detail; I think it was because I got the impression too much emphasis was placed on the input by TCs without making reference to the fact that GCs were, on the whole, away, otherwise engaged fighting for freedom for Britain and against the Nazis ... whilst the TCs, relatively unburdened, were left in Cyprus making hay whilst the sun shone ...

[Oracle]

The Common Labour Struggles of Greek and Turkish Cypriots
(Events Through History)

By Pantelis Varnava

A fantastic site! How did we miss this?


http://www.peace-cyprus.org/Memories/Labor/

I had a look at it some time ago with reference to the Limni mine and did not think it was so fantastic.

Without spending time going over it again in detail; I think it was because I got the impression too much emphasis was placed on the input by TCs without making reference to the fact that GCs were, on the whole, away, otherwise engaged fighting for freedom for Britain and against the Nazis ... whilst the TCs, relatively unburdened, were left in Cyprus making hay whilst the sun shone ...

[Oracle]

Ok, as it's a "peaceful thread". On the matter of CY volunteers fighting for European Freedoms ....

A late grandfather and late great uncle together with several others from the old village were amongst the 20,000 cys that volunteered to join the CY Regiment of the GB army.

They spent some time in Egypt, presumably attached to the GB 8th Army, serving in transport. Along with thousands of other CYs they were ordered to Greece in 1940 (?), spent days in ships in or off-shore from Pireaus, sometimes spending the days in the hills and the nights back on ship.

Inevitably, they were taken prisoner and spent the next three to four years in the pow camps in Germany.

I see from the link above that it is confirmed they many tissys also volunteered. In WW1 tissys composed 11% of the volunteers and I see from the memorial to those who gave their lives, a number of tissy names are amongst the fallen from WW2.

Perhaps a few moments to honour those of both comms who served and gave their lives for all our Freedoms.

My father has several medals through serving in the British Army in WWII. He has The Africa Star (Egypt), amongst others, and he too spent over a year as a POW ... but in Italy ... where he managed to escape and made his way to Greece where my grandmother used to hide escapees .... everyone tried to do their bit!

War is a terrible thing ...

[bill cobbett]

Ok, as it's a "peaceful thread". On the matter of CY volunteers fighting for European Freedoms ....

A late grandfather and late great uncle together with several others from the old village were amongst the 20,000 cys that volunteered to join the CY Regiment of the GB army.

They spent some time in Egypt, presumably attached to the GB 8th Army, serving in transport. Along with thousands of other CYs they were ordered to Greece in 1940 (?), spent days in ships in or off-shore from Pireaus, sometimes spending the days in the hills and the nights back on ship.

Inevitably, they were taken prisoner and spent the next three to four years in the pow camps in Germany.

I see from the link above that it is confirmed they many tissys also volunteered. In WW1 tissys composed 11% of the volunteers and I see from the memorial to those who gave their lives, a number of tissy names are amongst the fallen from WW2.

Perhaps a few moments to honour those of both comms who served and gave their lives for all our Freedoms.

My father has several medals through serving in the British Army in WWII. He has The Africa Star (Egypt), amongst others, and he too spent over a year as a POW ... but in Italy ... where he managed to escape and made his way to Greece where my grandmother used to hide escapees .... everyone tried to do their bit!

War is a terrible thing ...

Yes, war is beyond anyone's imagination who hasn't seen it first hand I often think.

Nice story about our O's late grandfather, someone who served with distinction.

We still have our late grandfather's little service book from the time. No honours in it, just a ref to an Africa campaign medal although I don't think he ever got the real medal.

[RichardB]

Ok, as it's a "peaceful thread". On the matter of CY volunteers fighting for European Freedoms ....

A late grandfather and late great uncle together with several others from the old village were amongst the 20,000 cys that volunteered to join the CY Regiment of the GB army.

They spent some time in Egypt, presumably attached to the GB 8th Army, serving in transport. Along with thousands of other CYs they were ordered to Greece in 1940 (?), spent days in ships in or off-shore from Pireaus, sometimes spending the days in the hills and the nights back on ship.

Inevitably, they were taken prisoner and spent the next three to four years in the pow camps in Germany.

I see from the link above that it is confirmed they many tissys also volunteered. In WW1 tissys composed 11% of the volunteers and I see from the memorial to those who gave their lives, a number of tissy names are amongst the fallen from WW2.

Perhaps a few moments to honour those of both comms who served and gave their lives for all our Freedoms.

My father has several medals through serving in the British Army in WWII. He has The Africa Star (Egypt), amongst others, and he too spent over a year as a POW ... but in Italy ... where he managed to escape and made his way to Greece where my grandmother used to hide escapees .... everyone tried to do their bit!

War is a terrible thing ...

Yes, war is beyond anyone's imagination who hasn't seen it first hand I often think.

Nice story about our O's late grandfather, someone who served with distinction.

We still have our late grandfather's little service book from the time. No honours in it, just a ref to an Africa campaign medal although I don't think he ever got the real medal.

Nice stories Bill and O

Did all Cypriots who enlisted serve in the same theartre of war?

I ask this becuase my wife's father also served in Italy as did one of her uncles ( a big chap named Melis who used to have a coffee shop on the hill from Troodos main square up to the RAF camp) who was also taken prisoner

Also my father served with the 8th Army in Italy and North Africa (Grenadier Guards)

Quite a coincidence for a relatively small forum

I must research this area more