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The Common Labour Struggles of Greek and Turkish Cypriots

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby 74LB » Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:00 pm

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Tim Drayton wrote:
Piratis wrote:
74LB wrote:
Piratis wrote:While the brutal Ottoman rule had ended just a couple of decades earlier, the Greek Cypriots did not seek any revenge against the TCs, but on the contrary they cooperated more and more with them (although the British did not exactly encourage this).

The hostilities between the two communities restarted only when the TCs started to cooperate again with the foreign Imperialists (UK/Turkey) in order to regain Ottoman style privileges for themselves on the expense of all other Cypriots.

The historical facts show that the Cypriot people are forgiving people and do not seek revenge for things that happened in the past, but are also people who appreciate democracy and human rights and are always willing to fight against those who are trying to deprive them from these rights.


:shock: Try telling that to the remainder of my relatives of Sandallar village. And Murataga. And Attlilar as well.


Are you talking about the approximately 200 people who were killed during the war you started and while you were killing 1000s and ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots?

I said Greek Cypriots will not seek revenge for things that happened in the past. I didn't say that they will not fight back while they are attacked. On the contrary I said: "are also people who appreciate democracy and human rights and are always willing to fight against those who are trying to deprive them from these rights".


One of the victims of these massacres was a 16 day old baby. How can a 16 day old baby attack anybody?


Ask the Turks why they invaded Cyprus and killed 1000s of innocent people (including children) and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of innocent people (including children) and raped women and under age girls.

Funny how the aggressors are trying to present themselves as the victims because they also had a few losses in the war they started. The Germans had millions of casualties during WWII (including children), should they now pretend to be the victims of that war?

If for the Turks a coup that was made by the Athens Junta and a tiny minority of Cypriots can be an excuse to invade Cyprus and collectively punish all Greek Cypriots, then surely all TCs should also be collectively responsible for the crimes their community and Turkey commits, right?

Those who support that the Turkish invasion was in any way justified, should also accept that the reaction of those GCs was also justified.

My position is that the Turkish invasion was not justified and that if the Turks had not invaded killing 1000s of GCs, then those 200 or so TCs wouldn't have died either.

So 74LB, was the Turkish invasion justified, yes or no? You can't justify the killing of 1000s and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of innocent people just because they are GCs, and not also justify the killing of 200 people just because they are TCs.

If you don't justify the Turkish invasion and the mentality of collective punishment then I challenge you to say it clearly, and blame Turkey for acting wrongly and starting a war which resulted in the death of innocent people.


Yes, the invasion was justified. What took place afterwards was crazy.
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Postby umit07 » Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:11 pm

Piratis wrote:Do you excuse the Turkish invasion?


I believe that a military intervention was called for after the events of the 15 th of July, for the sole purpose of restoring the constitution. I however condemn the brutal actions of the Turkish army towards GC civilians. I do recognize that the "intervention" was blown out of proportion and that later events made it into an invasion.
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:46 pm

74LB wrote:
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denizaksulu wrote:Oracle, there is never any justification for the killing of innocents;NEVER. For once in your life and on this forum, show compassion for ALL the innocents. OMG, I am getting a headache. :twisted:

Condemn the B----y murderers of this little child.


In regards to Oracle, to this day we are yet to see any sign of compassion against any TC, even a 16 day old baby. She is blinded by her hate and fascist views to an extent beyond repair. Out of everyone on this forum I'd have to say that O's logic scares the crap out of me.

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Tend to agree with you here - we are dealing with a mindset that is so so dangerous.


The only mindset that is dangerous is the one which approves of invasions and wars and is only concerned with their own losses whilst ignoring the fact that the baby and many other innocent people might still be alive today if it was not for that one cause ... the Turkish invasion.

You have a dangerous mindset because you do not condemn Turkey for being the direct cause of thousands of innocent lost lives!
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:55 pm

Oracle and Piratis,

This was meant to be a peaceful thread about the times when Cypriots of all ethnicities came together as one, but it seems no matter what one posts some of us always find a way to turn it into the usual crap!

I’m pretty disappointed in both of you, something that angers me even further when I also take into consideration your “Hellenic” bollocks mentalities!

Coincidence? I don’t know…
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:10 pm

As always political point scoring against anything Hellenic is paramount in your mind, despite its complete non-relevance here.

Perhaps if you had put that aside you might have noticed umit and 74LB bringing up their "personal gripes" at the start ....

Besides, once you post a thread, it is not up to you to dictate, what and, who posts .... or have the rules of a free forum been changed?
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:22 pm

No, the first DAFT post was made by YOU Oracle!

You assumed that TCs never fought in WWII and automatically saw fit to throw that at them! :roll:

Urged by your irrelevant diarrhea, Piratis then saw fit to go on about how “forgiving” one side is… :roll:

Why didn’t you apologize to TCs for insulting those TCs who lost their lives in WWII once you were proven wrong?
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Postby ahristos » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:26 pm

in small numbers only!
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:33 pm

Get Real! wrote:No, the first DAFT post was made by YOU Oracle!

You assumed that TCs never fought in WWII and automatically saw fit to throw that at them! :roll:

Urged by your irrelevant diarrhea, Piratis then saw fit to go on about how “forgiving” one side is… :roll:

Why didn’t you apologize to TCs for insulting those TCs who lost their lives in WWII once you were proven wrong?


I didn't assume anything of the sort ... I had discussed that same roll of honour site with someone else some months ago.

What I queried about this "historical" approach was how it did not account for the workforce demographics which were changed by the GC males who fought in WWII ....

Instead, by 1944 the TCs were demanding the first segregations in Unions based on ethnicity ... How daft was that?
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:38 pm

Oracle wrote:As always political point scoring against anything Hellenic is paramount in your mind, despite its complete non-relevance here.

Perhaps if you had put that aside you might have noticed umit and 74LB bringing up their "personal gripes" at the start ....

Besides, once you post a thread, it is not up to you to dictate, what and, who posts .... or have the rules of a free forum been changed?



Please note that on this page alone you will find three TCs (I hope) that do condemn the actions 'after' the Turkish army intervened. That is a start. There is not much the ordinary people can do to get the T army out, where the UN, EU USA the whole world and numerous Resolutions have failed. The people are not asleep. Lets hope a good dialogue between the factions sort something out where there will be no necessity of a foriegn army on the island.
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Postby ahristos » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:38 pm

unions suporte always them members even when they are racially diferent....
also at this time cypriots had more solidarity against colonials patrons...
after intepentance or exactly from 1958 starts the problem
i belive the begining of problem is devite and role...
from british colonialists..... this methode they have fillow also als
pakistan india-------srilanka--------canada quebeck--------south africa-------cyprus-----
so who is ur master now ???? your self or Turkey? british are going
once tc have to let isolation and get free in this global wold
the only way is the way of union that is the way to freedom
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