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[Oracle]

Just love seeing you argue Turkey's corner.

That's YOUR interpretation of it...

If the two-headed eagle is of Hittite origin then you must accept and respect that and quit playing games.

If the Turkish Cypriots went to WWII and spilled their blood then you must accept and respect that and quit playing games.

In other words DT, always give credit where credit is due and scorn where it's not regardless of whether it’s a friend or foe. That’s what makes one fair & square.

So how about a little fair & square for our Greek ancestry .... or are you back to double standards ... again!

Your Greek ancestry has a LOT to answer for Oracle...

That's your blighted opinion and you are welcome to it.

You are entitled to make-up your own opinions, but you are not entitled to make up facts!

[yialousa1971]

DT. .... any chance you can slip a little something in GR!'s drink next time you are out together? Strychnine, Polonium ...

I told you he was a crypto-Turk!

Better to put some Potassium or Sodium in his mouth, that should shut him up.

[Dr J]

The culture of an 8000...4000BC civilization such as the Choirokitians, cannot possibly be compared to that used in the 21st century!

Cop out answer.

Give us all an example of Choirokitian culture that can be traced to how you live your life today? What makes you different from the rest of us Greeks in Cyprus apart from you just saying so? (because you crave attention).

[The Cypriot]

All ears lets go, whats this information? And if we're admitting everyone who's done a thesis on the Cyprus issue as evidence then we might as well admit my dissertation as well.

Please watch the film. Dr Andreas Constandinos (who is of Cypriot origin so is genetically predisposed to believe in conspiracy theories) spent much time in Washington, going through all the relevant archives relating to the period with a fine tooth comb; State Department (Cyprus, Greece and Turkey desks), Defence Department, CIA, White House.

Constandinos is very apologetic but, despite his best endeavours, he could find no evidence of a grand US conspiracy, to the chagrin of some in his audience (at the London School of Economics at the end of last year). It appears Greece, unilaterally, is guilty as charged for the Cyprus debacle which lead to Turkey's invasion.

By all means, once you've watched the film, counter with your own thesis and your own documents (blogs called 'Hellenic antidote' excluded).

You're on the island. I'll be all ears.

[Get Real!]

I don't dispute the early presence of the Choirokitians, and that from those few surviving hundreds, they did mix with the next wave (and continuing waves) of merchants from mostly Greece.

You're making stupid ASSUMPTIONS AGAIN!!!

It's not black and white. It's not all Choirokitians or none at all. And it's certainly not zero Greek influence, or all a myth.

Who gives a rat's arse about "influence"? We eat McDonald's burgers and wear Nike shoes, therefore we are "American-influenced" but so what? Does that change one’s ancestry?

And what makes you think Greeks were never influenced by others including Cypriots?

You have made the whole argument a joke with your 'all or nothing' theories. You seem incapable of understanding that things came about in waves and fusions and communications and reciprocations and contextualisation and developments and mergers.

Do you acknowledge Greek "mergers" like those with Slavs and later with Turks?

You are the one not being true to yourself by saying to DT. you must accept if there were signs that some previous culture existed then latter day "invaders" have a right to call those their own. Yet the Greeks came along after the dwindling Choirokitians, and continued their culture ... but you do not give them any credence as having a right on this Island. Yet TCs are so recent and their influence is suddenly more important.

You're MANUFACTURING bollocks again! You just can't help yourself... and not to mention your incorrect order of alleged "arrivals".

I'm not trying to minimise any-one's input ... but I don't approve of trying to write something out of the history books just because it doesn't fit your present-day working hypothesis for removing the Turks.

That's YOUR fallacious interpretation of it.

[Oracle]

It appears Greece, unilaterally, is guilty as charged for the Cyprus debacle which lead to Turkey's invasion.

Who charged Greece?

To date, only the Junta is guilty as charged .... not Greece!

[Oracle]

I don't dispute the early presence of the Choirokitians, and that from those few surviving hundreds, they did mix with the next wave (and continuing waves) of merchants from mostly Greece.

You're making stupid ASSUMPTIONS AGAIN!!!

It's not black and white. It's not all Choirokitians or none at all. And it's certainly not zero Greek influence, or all a myth.

Who gives a rat's arse about "influence"? We eat McDonald's burgers and wear Nike shoes, therefore we are "American-influenced" but so what? Does that change one’s ancestry?

And what makes you think Greeks were never influenced by others including Cypriots?

You have made the whole argument a joke with your 'all or nothing' theories. You seem incapable of understanding that things came about in waves and fusions and communications and reciprocations and contextualisation and developments and mergers.

Do you acknowledge Greek "mergers" like those with Slavs and later with Turks?

You are the one not being true to yourself by saying to DT. you must accept if there were signs that some previous culture existed then latter day "invaders" have a right to call those their own. Yet the Greeks came along after the dwindling Choirokitians, and continued their culture ... but you do not give them any credence as having a right on this Island. Yet TCs are so recent and their influence is suddenly more important.

You're MANUFACTURING bollocks again! You just can't help yourself... and not to mention your incorrect order of alleged "arrivals".

I'm not trying to minimise any-one's input ... but I don't approve of trying to write something out of the history books just because it doesn't fit your present-day working hypothesis for removing the Turks.

That's YOUR fallacious interpretation of it.

You know what?

Your thuggish approach to history is, frankly, boring ....

You are fast making a great Miltiades replacement, and therefore taking yourself out of the serious discussion mode.

[Get Real!]

The culture of an 8000...4000BC civilization such as the Choirokitians, cannot possibly be compared to that used in the 21st century!

Cop out answer.

Give us all an example of Choirokitian culture that can be traced to how you live your life today? What makes you different from the rest of us Greeks in Cyprus apart from you just saying so? (because you crave attention).

You’ve just rehashed the same childish question in different packaging…

The ancestors of indigenous Cypriots are the Choirokitians and all subsequent descendants thereof, like the ancient Cypriots of Sotira, because MOTHER NATURE says so and there's not a “history book” on this planet that can adequately explain otherwise.

[The Cypriot]

It appears Greece, unilaterally, is guilty as charged for the Cyprus debacle which lead to Turkey's invasion.

Who charged Greece?

To date, only the Junta is guilty as charged .... not Greece!

In 1974 the Junta controlled Greece. But I take your point. Presumably you'd agree in turn that not all Turks are guilty for Turkey's crimes in Cyprus either. Although some of your posts might give that impression.

[Get Real!]

Come now Oracle, do not evade the question...

Do you acknowledge Greek "mergers" like those with Slavs and later with Turks?