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[Oracle]

DT. .... any chance you can slip a little something in GR!'s drink next time you are out together? Strychnine, Polonium ...

I told you he was a crypto-Turk!

[Get Real!]

The difference is the Greeks were actually there and at the right time, and took the culture to the new places.

What you are claiming, is that invaders can adopt as their own all the indigenous culture that has gone before, even if they were not there at the time of its inception.

You mean like the Greek embezzlement of Cypriot heritage...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus23213.html

Yet you cling to Choirokitian culture .... for all the double standards that you preach!

What exactly are these alleged "double standards" I preach?

[Oracle]

The difference is the Greeks were actually there and at the right time, and took the culture to the new places.

What you are claiming, is that invaders can adopt as their own all the indigenous culture that has gone before, even if they were not there at the time of its inception.

You mean like the Greek embezzlement of Cypriot heritage...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus23213.html

Yet you cling to Choirokitian culture .... for all the double standards that you preach!

What exactly are these alleged "double standards" I preach?

The certainty of a Choirokitian ancestry and its continuing role in today's Cyprus ... whilst all else, better documented, is all just a myth.

[Get Real!]

Just love seeing you argue Turkey's corner.

That's YOUR interpretation of it...

If the two-headed eagle is of Hittite origin then you must accept and respect that and quit playing games.

If the Turkish Cypriots went to WWII and spilled their blood then you must accept and respect that and quit playing games.

In other words DT, always give credit where credit is due and scorn where it's not regardless of whether it’s a friend or foe. That’s what makes one fair & square.

[Oracle]

Just love seeing you argue Turkey's corner.

That's YOUR interpretation of it...

If the two-headed eagle is of Hittite origin then you must accept and respect that and quit playing games.

If the Turkish Cypriots went to WWII and spilled their blood then you must accept and respect that and quit playing games.

In other words DT, always give credit where credit is due and scorn where it's not regardless of whether it’s a friend or foe. That’s what makes one fair & square.

So how about a little fair & square for our Greek ancestry .... or are you back to double standards ... again!

[Get Real!]

The certainty of a Choirokitian ancestry and its continuing role in today's Cyprus ... whilst all else, better documented, is all just a myth.

If you regard yourself an intelligent woman, then apply your intellect to solve this “riddle”…

If the Choirokitians are NOT the ancestors of the modern indigenous Cypriots then THERE CANNOT BE ANY “INDIGENOUS Cypriots”!

And if there are no INDIGENOUS Cypriots then you must be able to ANSWER WHY with credible evidence.

Because, in every other country of the world the ancient indigenous people are always naturally linked to its modern indigenous citizens, even as a percentage of their makeup, so why is Cyprus an exception?

Did a meteor fall on Cyprus in 7000BC and squashed them all?

Did a disease kill them all off?

Did some other factor wipe them out?

It is YOUR JOB Oracle, to investigate and prove that BEFORE you make WILD CLAIMS.

[Get Real!]

Just love seeing you argue Turkey's corner.

That's YOUR interpretation of it...

If the two-headed eagle is of Hittite origin then you must accept and respect that and quit playing games.

If the Turkish Cypriots went to WWII and spilled their blood then you must accept and respect that and quit playing games.

In other words DT, always give credit where credit is due and scorn where it's not regardless of whether it’s a friend or foe. That’s what makes one fair & square.

So how about a little fair & square for our Greek ancestry .... or are you back to double standards ... again!

Your Greek ancestry has a LOT to answer for Oracle...

[Dr J]

GR, can you give us all substantial examples of Choirokitian culture that you partake in today and how it is totally different from Greek culture??

[Get Real!]

GR, can you give us all substantial examples of Choirokitian culture that you partake in today and how it is totally different from Greek culture??

The culture of an 8000...4000BC civilization such as the Choirokitians, cannot possibly be compared to that used in the 21st century!

[Oracle]

The certainty of a Choirokitian ancestry and its continuing role in today's Cyprus ... whilst all else, better documented, is all just a myth.

If you regard yourself an intelligent woman, then apply your intellect to solve this “riddle”…

If the Choirokitians are NOT the ancestors of the modern indigenous Cypriots then THERE CANNOT BE ANY “INDIGENOUS Cypriots”!

And if there are no INDIGENOUS Cypriots then you must be able to ANSWER WHY with credible evidence.

Because, in every other country of the world the ancient indigenous people are always naturally linked to its modern indigenous citizens, even as a percentage of their makeup, so why is Cyprus an exception?

Did a meteor fall on Cyprus in 7000BC and squashed them all?

Did a disease kill them all off?

Did some other factor wipe them out?

It is YOUR JOB Oracle, to investigate and prove that BEFORE you make WILD CLAIMS.

I don't dispute the early presence of the Choirokitians, and that from those few surviving hundreds, they did mix with the next wave (and continuing waves) of merchants from mostly Greece.

It's not black and white. It's not all Choirokitians or none at all. And it's certainly not zero Greek influence, or all a myth.

You have made the whole argument a joke with your 'all or nothing' theories. You seem incapable of understanding that things came about in waves and fusions and communications and reciprocations and contextualisation and developments and mergers.

You are the one not being true to yourself by saying to DT. you must accept if there were signs that some previous culture existed then latter day "invaders" have a right to call those their own. Yet the Greeks came along after the dwindling Choirokitians, and continued their culture ... but you do not give them any credence as having a right on this Island. Yet TCs are so recent and their influence is suddenly more important.

I'm not trying to minimise any-one's input ... but I don't approve of trying to write something out of the history books just because it doesn't fit your present-day working hypothesis for removing the Turks.