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[Dr J]

GR - out of all those territories and tribes you listed who use the two headed eagle emblem, how many of them came into contact with the Byzantine Empire - answer is all of them.

Infact if your trying to convince me that the Eastern Roman Empire was predominantly Latin in its culture - you deserve to be laughed at even more.

Go back to molesting donkeys in your Omonia kit you retard.

[Get Real!]

GR - out of all those territories and tribes you listed who use the two headed eagle emblem, how many of them came into contact with the Byzantine Empire - answer is all of them.

Err, that IS expected so what exactly is the point you’re trying to make because mine was that there’s nothing Greek about that emblem…

Infact if your trying to convince me that the Eastern Roman Empire was predominantly Latin in its culture - you deserve to be laughed at even more.

I simply informed you that Byzantine <> Greek but ROMAN! Now whether they spoke Greek, Latin, Turkish, Japanese, or a combination thereof is besides the point and who cares anyway…

Go back to molesting donkeys in your Omonia kit you retard.

Molesting Greek and Turkish donkeys is exactly what I do here on the CF so stick around my long-eared friend...

[Oracle]

Err, that IS expected so what exactly is the point you’re trying to make because mine was that there’s nothing Greek about that emblem…

Other than the oldest double-headed eagle emblem is found amidst other Greek architectural antiquities from a few centuries BC ... and then spread/popularised around the known world by Greeks.

[The Cypriot]

My apologies...lets get back to Απόν ακούει του γονιού , παρα γονιάς τζιμάτε." and Με τον συγγενή σου φάε πιε τζιαι αλίσιι βερίσιι μεν κάμεις ..

There, I promise we won't ever have to talk about something substantial ever again.

What is your problem?

That I drew parallels between fascist Italy's mythological preoccupation with ancient Rome and right-wing Greek preoccupation with the glories of the Byzantine empire? That I stated the Greek Junta, like any military dictatorship (and like Mussolini), pursued expansionist aims in an attempt to garner popular support, and that these plans manifested themselves on Cyprus, with disastrous effects?

If your point is that the Junta was simply an unwitting and totally subservient puppet of the CIA, and that Greece's role in Cyprus at the time was nothing more than to implement US designs to assassinate Makarios and implement a preplanned partition, then this isn't a view that I subscribe to. A monumental US foreign-policy cock up? For sure. A sinister and fully-orchestrated CIA conspiracy? I'm not so sure, based on information currently to hand in the US (and UK).

Have a look at this video (if you haven't seen it already) which is an effective 'antidote' to the more simplistic, grand conspiracy theory blog you posted.

It's a talk by UK Cypriot-German, Dr Andreas Constandinos, of the University of East Anglia, summarising his three years research thesis entitled 'Cyprus Crisis of 1974: Calculated conspiracy or foreign policy failure'.



We can talk about this if you want. It is quite substantial though. However, if you're going to respond with any more patronising and incredibly annoying posts to me, I'd rather you just kept your promise.

[Get Real!]

Err, that IS expected so what exactly is the point you’re trying to make because mine was that there’s nothing Greek about that emblem…

Other than the oldest double-headed eagle emblem is found amidst other Greek architectural antiquities from a few centuries BC ... and then spread/popularised around the known world by Greeks.

Sorry Oracle, but we can’t accept your word for it because you’re just a Greek propagandist who can’t be trusted.

Had you bothered to check the Wiki article on the two-headed eagle I recently posted, you would’ve found your worst nightmare come true because according to this article the origin is none other than Turkey and the Hittites!

As for you suggesting that the Wiki is not a good source of information, I’d agree with you when it comes to hotly contested subjects like the Cyprus problem, but not the two headed eagle!

Origins

Double-headed eagles have been present in imagery for many centuries. The two-headed eagle can be found in archaeological remains of the Hittite civilization dating from a period that ranges from the 20th century BC to the 13th century BC.

Cylindric seals discovered in Bogazkoy, an old Hittite capital in modern-day Turkey, represent clearly a two-headed eagle with spread wings. The aesthetics of this symmetrical position explains in part the birth of this religious figure. It probably dates from the 18th century BC, and was used in a tradesman background. It can also be seen in the same region in two monumental settings: in Alacahöyük around 1400 BC and in Yazilikaya before 1250 BC. Here the context looks different and totally religious: the eagle becomes a divinity symbol. The two-headed eagle slowly disappears during the last Hittite period, from the 9th century BC to the 7th century BC, and totally disappears after the end of the empire.

The double-headed eagle was also in use by the Arsacid Dynasty of Armenia and the Mamikonian family[1] in the 3rd to 9th centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-headed_eagle

The end result of this debate is…

The two-headed eagle = Originally Turkish!

The Byzantine Empire = Roman!

Better luck next time...

[DT.]

A sinister and fully-orchestrated CIA conspiracy? I'm not so sure, based on information currently to hand in the US (and UK).

All ears lets go, whats this information? And if we're admitting everyone who's done a thesis on the Cyprus issue as evidence then we might as well admit my dissertation as well.

[YFred]

A sinister and fully-orchestrated CIA conspiracy? I'm not so sure, based on information currently to hand in the US (and UK).

All ears lets go, whats this information? And if we're admitting everyone who's done a thesis on the Cyprus issue as evidence then we might as well admit my dissertation as well.

Lets hear it then! but don't admit it, just submit it.

[DT.]

The end result of this debate is…

The two-headed eagle = Originally Turkish!

The Byzantine Empire = Roman!

Better luck next time...

You're claiming that anything Greek is a figment of everyone's imagination and you claim something called turkish existed in the 13th century?

You been at the expired weetabix again?

[Get Real!]

The end result of this debate is…

The two-headed eagle = Originally Turkish!

The Byzantine Empire = Roman!

Better luck next time...

You're claiming that anything Greek is a figment of everyone's imagination and you claim something called turkish existed in the 13th century?

You been on the expired weetabix again?

No worries... use "Hittite"! Happy?

I just know the word "Turkish" would knock Oracle's socks off more efficiently!

[DT.]

The end result of this debate is…

The two-headed eagle = Originally Turkish!

The Byzantine Empire = Roman!

Better luck next time...

You're claiming that anything Greek is a figment of everyone's imagination and you claim something called turkish existed in the 13th century?

You been on the expired weetabix again?

No worries... use "Hittite"! Happy?

I just know the word "Turkish" would knock Oracle's socks off more efficiently!

So all of a sudden you're a wiki fan? What did you edit the article yourself?