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[rhodesia47]

You can file a border dispute petition to the land registry office and in a couple of years they will visit the place to solve the dispute..you can also hire a private topographer who can make through the land registry an official search at the place and point you the exact borders of your land( this will save you time but not money !).
Regarding the title deeds sometimes they have false informations about the total surface of the land or the exact borders of the land.
At the old times peole used to appoint the borders by their own so now many people occupy some wrong piece of land than the one appointed by their title deed.

Thank you Doratis1980.
I think it's better to get someone totally independent from Nicosia/Limossol land registry office to do the GPS. If the title deeds has wrong information, it's reallly unacceptable. What I can say? We did not buy this house from old times people, or any old family. There could be something wrong, but not that wrong.

[rhodesia47]

The Title Deeds do define the boundry of your property, although they can be a bit vague at time - no GPS 150 years ago.

The village mayor (Mukhtar) can no doubt be part of the 'old boys' network' but, of course, in theory, Land Registry officials cannot be bribed!

Your starting point must be a lawyer, but maybe not the one you used previously, if he/she failed to identify the land dispute when you purchased it.

It is hard to win, in a situation like this.

Lana

Thank you Svetlana.

I am really fed up with the previous solicitor. He asked my wife to be at present to add both name on the property, when my wife came, he said no! And now he even did not reply any email from us!

Yes, we will change the solicitor and really want to put the previous one into court as well!

[Sotos]

It is very rare for a title deed to have the wrong info. So if your title deed says that your plot is 1000 square meters then that is how much it is. But the person who sold it to you might have shown to you an area which is 1100 square meters. So although you bought 1000 square meters you now occupy 1100 square meters. But it could be the other way around and the one who is wrong is not you but the "mayor". So you will get the 1000 square meters that you paid for but you have to see if that disputed land falls within your plot or not.

[rhodesia47]

Thank you Sotos! Very much appreciated to all of you!
In fact, the house and courtyard is small, if the "mayor" cut that piece, we will have only a very tiny courtyard left, and I even cannot imagine where the door should go(there is only one main door to the courtyard and the house), because the door is very close to the tree. If the plot is 1000, I don't mind to cut 100. But if it's only about 350 or even smaller, how can I tolerate the business noise that is so close to me? We are not investing, we only have this home in Cyprus and I will be a teacher in Cypriot school in one or two years.
My previous owners not only built "illegal extention", but also the blxxdy "illegal door"?!

I hope the "mayor" was wrong, and hope the gang he got to do the survey was nothing to do with the land registry office!

[purdey]

There are instances where the village can take small pieces of land for roads and paths etc. These usually take place on undeveloped land where developement is planned. I cannot imagine this happening in your case with an existing dwelling.
There are also building regulations to be adhered to, again I cannot see permission granted for an extension in so close to your dwelling, no matter whose that parcel of land is. There may also be a cut off point for disputed land if no claim has been made in the past.

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

It's always fine until last month. The "mayor" of Tala village, lost his own spot and suddenly claimed a part of our courtyard plus one tree acutally are belonged to him! And he wants to take it back for his new coffee shop.

We bought this house 3 years ago, not from any developer, law firm, it's an old 150 years old house and the owner who sold us the house always had the existing title deeds! And the solicitor, the real estate agent never mentioned that one piece of land is disputed!

Allegedly the mayor quickly got the land registry office to come down to our courtyard in one week even WITHOUT our permission for entry to confirm that story. And he is planning to extend his coffee shop. As we are working overseas and will not be back until August, what action we should take to prevent any damage to our courtyard before we are back?

Is there any very clear statement in title deeds that show clearly the boundaries. And the point is - the title deeds could be changed by some "powerful" people or not? Or Is the land registry office could be bribed? As we are hinted by that.

We try to contact Nigel Howath and will be very grateful for any help from you!

Thats cypriots for you..its a real shame for you because if they want something..they get it, doesnt matter what you say. you can scream your rights till your blue in the face, it doesnt matter to them. one of the problems is they are very well connected people and all do something for eachother.
however try and be posistive and fight for what is yours. a good idea if you are still at the house and not in uk would be to go outside and take as many pictures as you can of the area, this may help incase its not there when you return.

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

Thank you Sotos! Very much appreciated to all of you!
In fact, the house and courtyard is small, if the "mayor" cut that piece, we will have only a very tiny courtyard left, and I even cannot imagine where the door should go(there is only one main door to the courtyard and the house), because the door is very close to the tree. If the plot is 1000, I don't mind to cut 100. But if it's only about 350 or even smaller, how can I tolerate the business noise that is so close to me? We are not investing, we only have this home in Cyprus and I will be a teacher in Cypriot school in one or two years.
My previous owners not only built "illegal extention", but also the blxxdy "illegal door"?!

I hope the "mayor" was wrong, and hope the gang he got to do the survey was nothing to do with the land registry office!

be rest assured they wouldnt have come from the land registry office...

[CBBB]

It's always fine until last month. The "mayor" of Tala village, lost his own spot and suddenly claimed a part of our courtyard plus one tree acutally are belonged to him! And he wants to take it back for his new coffee shop.

We bought this house 3 years ago, not from any developer, law firm, it's an old 150 years old house and the owner who sold us the house always had the existing title deeds! And the solicitor, the real estate agent never mentioned that one piece of land is disputed!

Allegedly the mayor quickly got the land registry office to come down to our courtyard in one week even WITHOUT our permission for entry to confirm that story. And he is planning to extend his coffee shop. As we are working overseas and will not be back until August, what action we should take to prevent any damage to our courtyard before we are back?

Is there any very clear statement in title deeds that show clearly the boundaries. And the point is - the title deeds could be changed by some "powerful" people or not? Or Is the land registry office could be bribed? As we are hinted by that.

We try to contact Nigel Howath and will be very grateful for any help from you!

Thats cypriots for you..its a real shame for you because if they want something..they get it, doesnt matter what you say. you can scream your rights till your blue in the face, it doesnt matter to them. one of the problems is they are very well connected people and all do something for eachother.
however try and be posistive and fight for what is yours. a good idea if you are still at the house and not in uk would be to go outside and take as many pictures as you can of the area, this may help incase its not there when you return.

I quite agree, these bloody Cypriots screw anyone that is stupid enough not to stand up for themselves!

Doesn't that happen everywhere with idiots?

[rhodesia47]

Thank you baby!

I know, we used to live in China. The difference is only that the Chinese government is doing that kind of thing to their own citizens!

Will there be a huge cost difference if I hire some solicitor not from Paphos? I don't want any person locally get invovled because I just lost my confidence, even of the solicitors.

We always have walls protecting the courtyard, trees, and the house, if the guy dare to "invade" into when we are not there, I swear he will not have any business he wants.

We should be alerted when we learned that the cat of our tenants was shot in short distance and struggled for 2 weeks and dead. Obviously it was not just a coincidence of what we have had now...

[Kifeas]

Thank you Purdey!

The funny thing is that the previous owner bought the long bench, planted the flowers, and decorated the cornet by a statue. And the tree, that big size tree, at least have been standing there for at least 20 - 30 years! If we made mistake not to use any accurate GPS, the previous owner did not use it either?

If the guy just wants to build water, make a garden, it would not be too bad. But he wants to extend his cafe shop on that land.

And we also know that with the movement of earth itself, every part position might get changed, one day your house might move to some ground totally not belonged to you? There is no expire date of current position/previous position? And there is no regular check if anyone build any illegal extention? Most countries government will knock down the illegal parts if they get the information from anyone.

Rhodesia, what relation do you have with the owners of the Melitzia restaurant in Tala?