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[Oracle]

There is a second, equally important, matter tied in with refugees' rights to return to their homes. Substituting a "compensation" scheme to entice them to give up their homes would be the equivalent of selling off a chunk of Cyprus to the Turks ..... thereby denying it access to the rest of the Cypriots, forever!

So, it is equally important, as much as the restoration of the Human Rights of the refugees, that the rest of the Cypriots do not inherit a precedent for continued Expansion by Turkey, who may think she can legitimise her smash and grab with some paltry payments to those whose homes and lands she stole.

[denizaksulu]

Hi Gorilla Gal; nice to have you back in full force.

Piratis'' last statement is best ignored as it has no relevance to todays issues. First settlers the Greeks indeed. He never gives up. Next he will be claiming all Greeks are derived from Cyprus.

The piece of neolithic flint head, that was found yesterday, proves his point....Greek scientists say that the figure carved into it's side is without doubt Makarios' head. They have even found tiny traces of souvlaki left on the flint and they think that it belonged to a greek baker. The scientists say that they have half uncovered further proof and when full excavation is finished the stone bottle of Keo will finally put critics minds at rest. There are now noises being made that Greece and Cyprus will be laying claims to Stone Henge along side the Elgin marbles because the giant stones are in a circle. This say, the politicians, proves that that must be Greek in nature because the Greeks invented the wheel. AND...If further proof were needed then the neolithic grafiti on one of the stones cannot be denied. " Stavros was here" says it all claimed one MP!!!

Brain Washing a la Pirati

Maybe the Greeks did not invent the wheel, but the invented many other things and created one of the best civilizations our world has ever seen. On the other hand what the Turks have ever invented? The only thing the Turks are good for is to invade, kill, rape and steal what others created.

As I said: "The native people are those who settled the island first. Greeks, Phoenicians and some other Mediterranean people. Those are the people who made their cities on uninhabited land and created a civilization in Cyprus."

The Greeks (and also Phoenicians and some others) did not invade Cyprus. They came here peacefully and created their own settlements on uninhabited land. On the other hand the Turks came from central Asia 1000s of years later, when Cyprus was already fully inhabited, and what they did was to kill Cypriots by the 10s of thousands, and enslave and exploit Cyprus and its people.

I am very aware of the early Greek civilisations. I am perplexed at your eye witness accounts of the early settlers. I have taken note of your tactic of, the best defence is to attack'. Very impressive. What have all these got to do with the thread though? God only knows. I will forget about Alexander the greats peaceful walkabouts accross Asia. He was a real gentleman.

[Dr J]

I will forget about Alexander the greats peaceful walkabouts accross Asia. He was a real gentleman.

You dont see Greeks laying claims to Iran or Pakistan because they were once ruled by Alexander the Great - on the contrary with many moron Turks who to this day think that Cyprus should be a part of Turkey because it was under Ottoman Empire rule.

[repulsewarrior]

i'm just wondering what would really happen if the turkish army just packed up and left northern cyprus, and the borders were opened. wouldn't more violence erupt as the GCs returned to reclaim their properties?

...it is surprising that so much peace exists in Cyprus now with the Turkish Army, as enemy is so close. Guerrilla warfare has its beginnings, here. And yet the mayhem it is causing worldwide is not reflected through the open malignant warfare we witness elsewhere. On a positive note it may be foreshadowing how events will unfold for the others who live in a state of fear.

but we remain the vanguard...

no GG, GC's will not react violently to a sudden withdrawal of all Turkish troops. it would be disastrous on the other hand if we continue to deny that there is for all of us, as this island's dwellers, the choice to remain as subjects or to demonstrate the courage of Humility and Grace.

we are Cypriots, for peace to exist this must have a meaning which is a representation of our distinction: Bicommunal.

furthermore, enclaves, both Turcophone and Grecophone, (and others) spotting the whole landscape will add to the vitality of both Communities' National Identity where there is a Sovereignty above these Assemblies, in which they are united as a People living for the defence of their own Individual Rights in one Country, where all citizens are equal: Bizonal.

[wyoming cowboy]

I will forget about Alexander the greats peaceful walkabouts accross Asia. He was a real gentleman.

You dont see Greeks laying claims to Iran or Pakistan because they were once ruled by Alexander the Great - on the contrary with many moron Turks who to this day think that Cyprus should be a part of Turkey because it was under Ottoman Empire rule.....or is closer to Turkey then to Greece.

[wyoming cowboy]

I will forget about Alexander the greats peaceful walkabouts accross Asia. He was a real gentleman.

You dont see Greeks laying claims to Iran or Pakistan because they were once ruled by Alexander the Great - on the contrary with many moron Turks who to this day think that Cyprus should be a part of Turkey because it was under Ottoman Empire rule.....or is closer to Turkey then to Greece.

[wyoming cowboy]

The Turkish army could be replaced with a European or Nato force to keep the peace for the time being until the property issue and other issues are resolved.

i'm just wondering what would really happen if the turkish army just packed up and left northern cyprus, and the borders were opened. wouldn't more violence erupt as the GCs returned to reclaim their properties?

...it is surprising that so much peace exists in Cyprus now with the Turkish Army, as enemy is so close. Guerrilla warfare has its beginnings, here. And yet the mayhem it is causing worldwide is not reflected through the open malignant warfare we witness elsewhere. On a positive note it may be foreshadowing how events will unfold for the others who live in a state of fear.

but we remain the vanguard...

no GG, GC's will not react violently to a sudden withdrawal of all Turkish troops. it would be disastrous on the other hand if we continue to deny that there is for all of us, as this island's dwellers, the choice to remain as subjects or to demonstrate the courage of Humility and Grace.

we are Cypriots, for peace to exist this must have a meaning which is a representation of our distinction: Bicommunal.

furthermore, enclaves, both Turcophone and Grecophone, (and others) spotting the whole landscape will add to the vitality of both Communities' National Identity where there is a Sovereignty above these Assemblies, in which they are united as a People living for the defence of their own Individual Rights in one Country, where all citizens are equal: Bizonal.

[denizaksulu]

I will forget about Alexander the greats peaceful walkabouts accross Asia. He was a real gentleman.

You dont see Greeks laying claims to Iran or Pakistan because they were once ruled by Alexander the Great - on the contrary with many moron Turks who to this day think that Cyprus should be a part of Turkey because it was under Ottoman Empire rule.

More and more TC's will disagree with your above assertion. Like I do. Cyprus should be independant of any country. As we know a lot of damage has been done to the way we all think. Ways must be found to 'repair' the damage so we can achieve an independent Cyprus.

[ahristos]

one cyprus under EUs rooles
is the only solution

[observer]

All this talk about "ancestral lands" would be much more convincing if the GCs had not sold off so much of their "ancestral land" to foreigners in the South.

I accept that there are some GCs who would move back, but for the majority it is about money.