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[denizaksulu]

Hi Gorilla Gal; nice to have you back in full force.

Piratis'' last statement is best ignored as it has no relevance to todays issues. First settlers the Greeks indeed. He never gives up. Next he will be claiming all Greeks are derived from Cyprus.

The piece of neolithic flint head, that was found yesterday, proves his point....Greek scientists say that the figure carved into it's side is without doubt Makarios' head. They have even found tiny traces of souvlaki left on the flint and they think that it belonged to a greek baker. The scientists say that they have half uncovered further proof and when full excavation is finished the stone bottle of Keo will finally put critics minds at rest. There are now noises being made that Greece and Cyprus will be laying claims to Stone Henge along side the Elgin marbles because the giant stones are in a circle. This say, the politicians, proves that that must be Greek in nature because the Greeks invented the wheel. AND...If further proof were needed then the neolithic grafiti on one of the stones cannot be denied. " Stavros was here" says it all claimed one MP!!!

Brain Washing a la Pirati

[The Cypriot]

i am not suggesting that cypriots give up their right to return to their land, if that is what they want to do.

I should hope not.

i am trying to understand it. i have lived all over the world, whreeever i was at the time, was my home. i understand the important of roots. i ended up returning to where i satarted from, and i hope to live the rest of my life right here. but i wonder what happened to the other places i called home, for however long they were my home.

Presumably, when you moved around, it was your choice. You weren't forceably expelled. You sold up, capitalised assets, and took a step forward. Until those steps brought you to your original home again. And nothing has stopped you from doing so.

i just don't know why anyone would want to leave a place they had kidds in, grandkids in, put the little marks on the doorframes as the kids grew, with the dates, so you can see a record fo their growth.

Exactly. No one did want to do that. They had to do that or risk experiencing all manner of horrors, including death.

ok, in '74 you were forced to leave. i understand that. but you set up house elsewhere, and you would so readily leave that place to return to some other place, just because you could?

Yes, goddammit! If that's what people want. It's not 'some other place'. It's home. It's the place with those marks on the doorframes!

i think i would accept my life as it was. i went on and made a new one, in a new city, with new friends and memories. why leave that? to go back to someplace and have to rebuild? no, i wouldn't personally leave, but then you are talking to someone who has a strong link to the community ui am a part of now. i hope to never leave it.

Let's hope no one foreign invaders turf you out at gun point then.

[The Cypriot]

i am not suggesting that cypriots give up their right to return to their land, if that is what they want to do.

I should hope not.

i am trying to understand it. i have lived all over the world, whreeever i was at the time, was my home. i understand the important of roots. i ended up returning to where i satarted from, and i hope to live the rest of my life right here. but i wonder what happened to the other places i called home, for however long they were my home.

Presumably, when you moved around, it was your choice. You weren't forceably expelled. You sold up, capitalised assets, and took a step forward. Until those steps brought you to your original home again. And nothing has stopped you from doing so.

i just don't know why anyone would want to leave a place they had kidds in, grandkids in, put the little marks on the doorframes as the kids grew, with the dates, so you can see a record fo their growth.

Exactly. No one did want to do that. They had to do that or risk experiencing all manner of horrors, including death.

ok, in '74 you were forced to leave. i understand that. but you set up house elsewhere, and you would so readily leave that place to return to some other place, just because you could?

Yes, goddammit! If that's what people want. It's not 'some other place'. It's home. It's the place with those marks on the doorframes!

i think i would accept my life as it was. i went on and made a new one, in a new city, with new friends and memories. why leave that? to go back to someplace and have to rebuild? no, i wouldn't personally leave, but then you are talking to someone who has a strong link to the community ui am a part of now. i hope to never leave it.

Let's hope no foreign invaders turf you out at gun point then.

[GorillaGal]

i am not suggesting that cypriots give up their right to return to their land, if that is what they want to do.

I should hope not.

i am trying to understand it. i have lived all over the world, whreeever i was at the time, was my home. i understand the important of roots. i ended up returning to where i satarted from, and i hope to live the rest of my life right here. but i wonder what happened to the other places i called home, for however long they were my home.

Presumably, when you moved around, it was your choice. You weren't forceably expelled. You sold up, capitalised assets, and took a step forward. Until those steps brought you to your original home again. And nothing has stopped you from doing so.

i just don't know why anyone would want to leave a place they had kidds in, grandkids in, put the little marks on the doorframes as the kids grew, with the dates, so you can see a record fo their growth.

Exactly. No one did want to do that. They had to do that or risk experiencing all manner of horrors, including death.

ok, in '74 you were forced to leave. i understand that. but you set up house elsewhere, and you would so readily leave that place to return to some other place, just because you could?

Yes, goddammit! If that's what people want. It's not 'some other place'. It's home. It's the place with those marks on the doorframes!

i think i would accept my life as it was. i went on and made a new one, in a new city, with new friends and memories. why leave that? to go back to someplace and have to rebuild? no, i wouldn't personally leave, but then you are talking to someone who has a strong link to the community ui am a part of now. i hope to never leave it.

Let's hope no foreign invaders turf you out at gun point then.

the cypriot--
we WERE forced to move. it was not choice at all. and we did not gain financially in it at all. we did gain life experience and new friends wherever we went. i guess it's all in attitude.

i can understand why the greek cypriots are that way not.
thank you for the explanation.

[The Cypriot]

the cypriot--
we WERE forced to move.

Sorry. Are you Cypriot? I didn't realise.

it was not choice at all. and we did not gain financially in it at all. we did gain life experience and new friends wherever we went. i guess it's all in attitude.

It's good that you can look on it positively. I can't look at the forced division of Cyprus by foreign powers positively. I can't look at the continued infringement of human rights of Cypriots, regardless of background, positively.

i can understand why the greek cypriots are that way not.
thank you for the explanation.

Cypriots that were Latin, Maronite, Armenian are that way too, in the main, (and also foreign nationals with homes in the north who also fled in terror). A non-Muslim background was what they had in common, not a Greek prefix.

Thank you for your courtesy.

[roseandchan]

my feelings are that both leaders need to find out what their people want, then sit down and sort it all out regarding property.
maybe some people would rather stay where they are and have compensation instead.
if the north would still come under the control/rules of the trnc gov, would people from the south want to come and live here? or any tc want to live under the roc administration in the south?
i think they should put together one join property office for all property claims, only when they have found out what people want can they then be able to sort it out.
would both police departments be able to work together? both court systems? if they could then i could see all the military leaving without a problem.
but both sides will have to work together to make it happen.

[annaka]

Maybe it's like the air you breathe - it's there and without it you die. So with the land and homes you had to leave, there remains hope that one day you will have the choice to return and 35 years later this choice is now long overdue.

Annaka.

[Piratis]

Hi Gorilla Gal; nice to have you back in full force.

Piratis'' last statement is best ignored as it has no relevance to todays issues. First settlers the Greeks indeed. He never gives up. Next he will be claiming all Greeks are derived from Cyprus.

The piece of neolithic flint head, that was found yesterday, proves his point....Greek scientists say that the figure carved into it's side is without doubt Makarios' head. They have even found tiny traces of souvlaki left on the flint and they think that it belonged to a greek baker. The scientists say that they have half uncovered further proof and when full excavation is finished the stone bottle of Keo will finally put critics minds at rest. There are now noises being made that Greece and Cyprus will be laying claims to Stone Henge along side the Elgin marbles because the giant stones are in a circle. This say, the politicians, proves that that must be Greek in nature because the Greeks invented the wheel. AND...If further proof were needed then the neolithic grafiti on one of the stones cannot be denied. " Stavros was here" says it all claimed one MP!!!

Brain Washing a la Pirati

Maybe the Greeks did not invent the wheel, but the invented many other things and created one of the best civilizations our world has ever seen. On the other hand what the Turks have ever invented? The only thing the Turks are good for is to invade, kill, rape and steal what others created.

As I said: "The native people are those who settled the island first. Greeks, Phoenicians and some other Mediterranean people. Those are the people who made their cities on uninhabited land and created a civilization in Cyprus."

The Greeks (and also Phoenicians and some others) did not invade Cyprus. They came here peacefully and created their own settlements on uninhabited land. On the other hand the Turks came from central Asia 1000s of years later, when Cyprus was already fully inhabited, and what they did was to kill Cypriots by the 10s of thousands, and enslave and exploit Cyprus and its people.

[YFred]

Hi Gorilla Gal; nice to have you back in full force.

Piratis'' last statement is best ignored as it has no relevance to todays issues. First settlers the Greeks indeed. He never gives up. Next he will be claiming all Greeks are derived from Cyprus.

The piece of neolithic flint head, that was found yesterday, proves his point....Greek scientists say that the figure carved into it's side is without doubt Makarios' head. They have even found tiny traces of souvlaki left on the flint and they think that it belonged to a greek baker. The scientists say that they have half uncovered further proof and when full excavation is finished the stone bottle of Keo will finally put critics minds at rest. There are now noises being made that Greece and Cyprus will be laying claims to Stone Henge along side the Elgin marbles because the giant stones are in a circle. This say, the politicians, proves that that must be Greek in nature because the Greeks invented the wheel. AND...If further proof were needed then the neolithic grafiti on one of the stones cannot be denied. " Stavros was here" says it all claimed one MP!!!

Brain Washing a la Pirati

Maybe the Greeks did not invent the wheel, but the invented many other things and created one of the best civilizations our world has ever seen. On the other hand what the Turks have ever invented? The only thing the Turks are good for is to invade, kill, rape and steal what others created.

As I said: "The native people are those who settled the island first. Greeks, Phoenicians and some other Mediterranean people. Those are the people who made their cities on uninhabited land and created a civilization in Cyprus."

The Greeks (and also Phoenicians and some others) did not invade Cyprus. They came here peacefully and created their own settlements on uninhabited land. On the other hand the Turks came from central Asia 1000s of years later, when Cyprus was already fully inhabited, and what they did was to kill Cypriots by the 10s of thousands, and enslave and exploit Cyprus and its people.

Thats just not true. They invented war and harems.

[Nikitas]

GG pout the question:

"you really don't think people would die for keeping thier homes? "

Let me put it in US terms so you can understand it. If you were living in Long Island NY, and someone convinced you by various means to leave and move to Bunker Wyoming, would you want to stay put or reclaim your land in Long Island, especially if the area is booming with business and the rents you can receive are really high?

This is what happened to TCs, they were convinced to leave valuable land to move to some off the grid little villages. Prime land in the north was reserved for the top dogs not the man in the street. Now these poor TCs have the opportunity to reclaim their land in the south, land which in many if not most cases is near booming developments. Now you go figure.

Most TCs from the south were urban dwellers, living in the TC quarters of towns like Larnaca, Limassol and Paphos, all three now far more valuable than they were in 1974.

My opinion: the problem will not be getting the TCs to move out of their northern "homes" but getting the GCs to accept return to these decrepit places and leave the south. Most of my family are in that situation since they got kicked out of the north. They now have flash homes in Limassol.

Again my opinion, most people will decide to retain ownership of their pre 1974 land, but will not live in it until they feel safe to do so. Eventually most Cypriots, GC and TC will reclaim their ancestral lands. This artificial and imposed division cannot last in such a small place.