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[humanist]

it is still their ancestral homes and perhaps that is the difference between family oriented societies and capitalist careless ones

[GorillaGal]

it is still their ancestral homes and perhaps that is the difference between family oriented societies and capitalist careless ones

ok, that i do not understand at all.
and i think you are referring to myself/my culture as the capitalistic one? if a house burns down you can't rebuilt it to the exact. life happens. go with the flow. would it not be disrespectful to walk away from the last 35 years? wouldn't that be the capitalistic attitude? -- "i want it all, i want the past and i want the future, i want it all."???

[The Cypriot]

I don't understand how someone who has the Statue of Liberty as their avatar can be encouraging Cypriots to give up on the right to decide what is done to land they legally own; give up on their freedom to return and reclaim it if they so wish.

When Martin Luther King had a dream in the 60's he got shot. Should members of the Civil Rights Movement have gone with the flow? Accepted the situation? After all, life (and death) happens. It was a long time ago. Or should they have continued the struggle against segregation and injustice? Until, decades later, a man of colour could be elected as president; and take up residence in a White House previously only ever occupied by white incumbents.

[Piratis]

it is still their ancestral homes and perhaps that is the difference between family oriented societies and capitalist careless ones

ok, that i do not understand at all.
and i think you are referring to myself/my culture as the capitalistic one? if a house burns down you can't rebuilt it to the exact. life happens. go with the flow. would it not be disrespectful to walk away from the last 35 years? wouldn't that be the capitalistic attitude? -- "i want it all, i want the past and i want the future, i want it all."???

We want nothing more than what is ours. The greedy ones are those who invade foreign countries in order to exploit them. Like the Turks with their invasion of Cyprus, or the Americans with their invasion of Iraq (for the oil).

34 years is absolutely nothing compared to the 1000s of years we have been on this island. Many foreign invaders came, but nobody managed to take Cyprus permanently from its native people.

[GorillaGal]

I don't understand how someone who has the Statue of Liberty as their avatar can be encouraging Cypriots to give up on the right to decide what is done to land they legally own; give up on their freedom to return and reclaim it if they so wish.

When Martin Luther King had a dream in the 60's he got shot. Should members of the Civil Rights Movement have gone with the flow? Accepted the situation? After all, life (and death) happens. It was a long time ago. Or should they have continued the struggle against segregation and injustice? Until, decades later, a man of colour could be elected as president; and take up residence in a White House previously only ever occupied by white incumbents.

i am not suggesting that cypriots give up their right to return to their land, if that is what they want to do. i am trying to understand it. i have lived all over the world, whreeever i was at the time, was my home. i understand the important of roots. i ended up returning to where i satarted from, and i hope to live the rest of my life right here. but i wonder what happened to the other places i called home, for however long they were my home. i just don't know why anyone would want to leave a place they had kidds in, grandkids in, put the little marks on the doorframes as the kids grew, with the dates, so you can see a record fo their growth. ok, in '74 you were forced to leave. i understand that. but you set up house elsewhere, and you would so readily leave that place to return to some other place, just because you could? i think i would accept my life as it was. i went on and made a new one, in a new city, with new friends and memories. why leave that? to go back to someplace and have to rebuild? no, i wouldn't personally leave, but then you are talking to someone who has a strong link to the community ui am a part of now. i hope to never leave it.

[GorillaGal]

it is still their ancestral homes and perhaps that is the difference between family oriented societies and capitalist careless ones

ok, that i do not understand at all.
and i think you are referring to myself/my culture as the capitalistic one? if a house burns down you can't rebuilt it to the exact. life happens. go with the flow. would it not be disrespectful to walk away from the last 35 years? wouldn't that be the capitalistic attitude? -- "i want it all, i want the past and i want the future, i want it all."???

We want nothing more than what is ours. The greedy ones are those who invade foreign countries in order to exploit them. Like the Turks with their invasion of Cyprus, or the Americans with their invasion of Iraq (for the oil).

34 years is absolutely nothing compared to the 1000s of years we have been on this island. Many foreign invaders came, but nobody managed to take Cyprus permanently from its native people.

who are those "native people"?
are they greeks?
are they turks?
are they cypriots?

[Piratis]

Our refugees never called anything else as home. Where they live now they call it as "temporary".

The USA is a country of immigrants. You are not a Native American. While you love your Nation, you don't have such a strong attachment to a particular location. So don't compare yourself with Cypriots.

Also it is the issue of property. People that own land which today can worth millions are now forced to live in some shitty refugee housing. The TCs who are the 18% of the population and own 18% of land, took twice as much with their invasion (36%) and over 50% of the coast line, the most valuable land in Cyprus. So it is not like you selling your apartment in New York and buying an apartment of equivalent value in Miami. It is like being thrown at gun point out of your luxury villa in a nice New York suburb and been send to live in a tent in South Dakota.

[Piratis]

it is still their ancestral homes and perhaps that is the difference between family oriented societies and capitalist careless ones

ok, that i do not understand at all.
and i think you are referring to myself/my culture as the capitalistic one? if a house burns down you can't rebuilt it to the exact. life happens. go with the flow. would it not be disrespectful to walk away from the last 35 years? wouldn't that be the capitalistic attitude? -- "i want it all, i want the past and i want the future, i want it all."???

We want nothing more than what is ours. The greedy ones are those who invade foreign countries in order to exploit them. Like the Turks with their invasion of Cyprus, or the Americans with their invasion of Iraq (for the oil).

34 years is absolutely nothing compared to the 1000s of years we have been on this island. Many foreign invaders came, but nobody managed to take Cyprus permanently from its native people.

who are those "native people"?
are they greeks?
are they turks?
are they cypriots?

The native people are those who settled the island first. Greeks, Phoenicians and some other Mediterranean people (but not the Turks- who came from Central Asia 1000s of years later). Those are the people who made their cities on uninhabited land and created a civilization in Cyprus.

Those who later invaded Cyprus with the aim to put Cyprus under their empire and exploit Cyprus and its people are not native Cypriots.

[denizaksulu]

Hi Gorilla Gal; nice to have you back in full force.

Piratis'' last statement is best ignored as it has no relevance to todays issues. First settlers the Greeks indeed. He never gives up. Next he will be claiming all Greeks are derived from Cyprus.

[zan]

Hi Gorilla Gal; nice to have you back in full force.

Piratis'' last statement is best ignored as it has no relevance to todays issues. First settlers the Greeks indeed. He never gives up. Next he will be claiming all Greeks are derived from Cyprus.

The piece of neolithic flint head, that was found yesterday, proves his point....Greek scientists say that the figure carved into it's side is without doubt Makarios' head. They have even found tiny traces of souvlaki left on the flint and they think that it belonged to a greek baker. The scientists say that they have half uncovered further proof and when full excavation is finished the stone bottle of Keo will finally put critics minds at rest. There are now noises being made that Greece and Cyprus will be laying claims to Stone Henge along side the Elgin marbles because the giant stones are in a circle. This say, the politicians, proves that that must be Greek in nature because the Greeks invented the wheel. AND...If further proof were needed then the neolithic grafiti on one of the stones cannot be denied. " Stavros was here" says it all claimed one MP!!!