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[Oracle]

I think the key is honesty.

If honesty underpins every emotion then the likelihood of deception is low. Honest solutions are best and if two interlocutors are trying to find a solution to a shared problem, it means there was no love, so no common ground there.

Honesty about hate (the much-maligned survival emotion) has to be addressed so that another common start point can be found instead ...

Would love to stop and chat but revision on 'Reproduction' beckons ... so maybe tomorrow.

[RichardB]

Maybe I am alone here but I can see the logic in Flodas post

It is easier to deal with people when you know where they stand

You might hate there views but at least you know what they are and what you are dealing with

Which is far better than trying to deal with people who are 'two faced' where you do not know there true stance on a given subject

I realise that my thoughts are not as eloquent as flodas but I really do think I know where he is coming from

[RichardB]

I think the key is honesty.

If honesty underpins every emotion then the likelihood of deception is low. Honest solutions are best and if two interlocutors are trying to find a solution to a shared problem, it means there was no love, so no common ground there.

Honesty about hate (the much-maligned survival emotion) has to be addressed so that another common start point can be found instead ...

Would love to stop and chat but revision on 'Reproduction' beckons ... so maybe tomorrow.

Very well put O

enjoy the revision young lady

[The Cypriot]

Maybe I am alone here but I can see the logic in Flodas post

It is easier to deal with people when you know where they stand

You might hate there views but at least you know what they are and what you are dealing with

Which is far better than trying to deal with people who are 'two faced' where you do not know there true stance on a given subject

I realise that my thoughts are not as eloquent as flodas but I really do think I know where he is coming from

Not sure how this is relevant to Cyprus though. Are we in any doubt as to what we are dealing with in the north? Who pulls the strings and what they are after?

[miltiades]

Maybe I am alone here but I can see the logic in Flodas post

It is easier to deal with people when you know where they stand

You might hate there views but at least you know what they are and what you are dealing with

Which is far better than trying to deal with people who are 'two faced' where you do not know there true stance on a given subject

I realise that my thoughts are not as eloquent as flodas but I really do think I know where he is coming from

I wonder if the Israelis knew where Hamas stood and whether they found it easier to deal with them during the last insurrection.
The British during the EOKA era also knew where EOKA stood , it was on every wall on every street , did they , I wonder , find it easier to deal with EOKA ?
Don't be taken in by waffle Richard !

[RichardB]

Maybe I am alone here but I can see the logic in Flodas post

It is easier to deal with people when you know where they stand

You might hate there views but at least you know what they are and what you are dealing with

Which is far better than trying to deal with people who are 'two faced' where you do not know there true stance on a given subject

I realise that my thoughts are not as eloquent as flodas but I really do think I know where he is coming from

Not sure how this is relevant to Cyprus though. Are we in any doubt as to what we are dealing with in the north? Who pulls the strings and what they are after?

Kalispera 'O Kyprios'

Yes we know who pulls the strings but the strings are being pulled in a variety of ways at the moment each week/ day that passes the goalposts seem to be moved

If they stayed static then we would know where we stood and which way to take the negotiations.

[The Cypriot]

Kalispera 'O Kyprios'

Yes we know who pulls the strings but the strings are being pulled in a variety of ways at the moment each week/ day that passes the goalposts seem to be moved

If they stayed static then we would know where we stood and which way to take the negotiations.

Rihardho mu, the military want zero concessions over Cyprus because this will seriously undermine their authority. And make no mistake, it's the military that pulls the strings in the north. Turkey's government may be more open to using weasel words in an attempt to ensure Turkey's EU accession stays on track. This might explain the difference in emphasis but the underlying message is still the same. The red lines are still the same. And these are dictated by the military.

[RichardB]

Maybe I am alone here but I can see the logic in Flodas post

It is easier to deal with people when you know where they stand

You might hate there views but at least you know what they are and what you are dealing with

Which is far better than trying to deal with people who are 'two faced' where you do not know there true stance on a given subject

I realise that my thoughts are not as eloquent as flodas but I really do think I know where he is coming from

I wonder if the Israelis knew where Hamas stood and whether they found it easier to deal with them during the last insurrection.
The British during the EOKA era also knew where EOKA stood , it was on every wall on every street , did they , I wonder , find it easier to deal with EOKA ?
Don't be taken in by waffle Richard !

Hi miltiades

To answer your questions

a) No I dont think the Israelis understood. So the problems were a lot harder to deal with than if they had

b) Yes the British knew where EOKA stood but the UK govt of the day chose to ignore what they knew and carry on regardless. If they had stopped and reacted appropriately to what the majority Cypriot population wanted at that time then the problem would not have escalated as it did

I do hope that I am not taken in by waffle miltiades I post as I see fit to and have posted on this thread in response to persons who do not seem to understand where floda was coming from

[miltiades]

I'm one of them Richard , I'm afraid .

[Floda]

Maybe I am alone here but I can see the logic in Flodas post

It is easier to deal with people when you know where they stand

You might hate there views but at least you know what they are and what you are dealing with

Which is far better than trying to deal with people who are 'two faced' where you do not know there true stance on a given subject

I realise that my thoughts are not as eloquent as flodas but I really do think I know where he is coming from

Absolutely RichardB, it is always easier to follow the lead of those who for generations have posed a question, proposed a solution, disposed of it and reposed in order to start the whole process over again.

Such would seem to be the game the politicians play now and have been playing for many years...............result............nothing.

Thus, the selfsame arguments are as prominent today as they were at the onset of the problems (the basis of which were in place long before the actual invasion occurred) and I would hazard a guess that the truth of the matter is that a solution is not really wanted by those who (in authority) feign a desire that they do.

Therefore, not knowing whether there is sincerity in ANY of the talks thus far and speculating on what sincerity future talks may contain (relying on the integrity of politicians ) may God help us all.

The most unfortunate part of the problems in Cyprus IMHO, is that the age old political manoeuvre of setting the population at each other's throats (via religious differences) has worked admirably here and the companionship enjoyed by our forefathers has been destroyed.

Not by those who lived in peaceful harmony for generations, but by those who plotted and schemed to achieve the very situation we are now in, at the end of WW2.