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[boulio]

It seems that the territorial issue will be taken up soon as its been all over the t/c and turkish news concernong talats speech to over the weekend to villagers.attached is hurryiet article about it and also a greek article stating that talat would give back morphou and lissi.

http://infognomonpolitics.blogspot.com/ ... t_759.html

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/opin ... 11&gid=260

again the articles state the 29%+ t/c demand which will need to be reduced substantially for a future settlement.

will the leaders come to any sort of agreement of the territorial issues?

[halil]

TALAT EVALUATES TERRITORY TO TAK NEWSAGENCY

TRNC President Mehmet Ali Talat has put a stop to rumors by saying that ‘if a solution is reached in Cyprus then the handing over of land is inevitable’.
He made the statement to the TAK news agency in response to an article printed in a Turkish newspaper claiming that the Guzelyurt area (Morphou) in the north would be handed over to the Greek Cypriot administration.
The President evaluated the handing over of land once a solution is found to the Cyprus problem to the TAK news agency.

Noting that it had been decided during 1st President Rauf Dentaks’s term that land would be handed over to the Greek Cypriot administration and this decision had also been approved by the Parliament, the President reiterated that therefore this is inevitable.
‘Of course how much land is going to be handed over and which parts is not certain as we haven’t looked at maps yet’, he added.

Referring to an article published in a Turkish newspaper regarding the land issue in Cyprus, President Talat said ‘what they have printed is a total fantasy, ignorance’, and added that they should not print anything on the issue if they have no idea what they are talking about.
He said that the issue of land can only be put to the agenda at the last phase of talks as it is going to be one of the most difficult issues to discuss.

Talat also noted that Turkeys EU negotiations bid and the Presidential elections in the TRNC will be defining factors during the Cyprus negotiations process.

Drawing attention to the fact that in the following days the economic issue will come to an end and the land issue and guarantee issue will be taken up during the talks, President Talat said ‘these are critical issues’.
Upon being asked what issues had been agreed on during the talks, President Talat said they had reached consensus on many issues and had made good progress.

‘There have been issues that we have agreed on and we haven’t agreed on, what’s important is that we have discussed every issue and we have clarified our positions’, he added.
Noting that the world’s interest in the Cyprus issue is platonic, Talat expressed his disappointment over this stance.

Referring to the Yesilirmak area, the President said that if a gate is opened at this point it would change the fate of the Erenkoy village.(KOKİNA)
Pointing to the moves that the new government has decided to take concerning history books, Talat said a lot of problems will be experienced if the history books are returned to their former state.

[halil]

SPOKESMAN ERCAKICA SAYS NO MAPS WILL BE DISCUSSED AT THIS STAGE OF TALKS

TRNC Presidential Spokesman Hasan Ercakica has said discussions on the territory chapter will begin next week.
Ercakica said that no maps will be discussed at this stage of the talks.
He also said that the two sides should discuss the principles that will be referred to while determining the percentage of land that will be under the control of the two constituent states.
Speaking to reporters at this routine weekly press briefing, the Presidential Spokesman touched upon recent reports circulating in the press concerning the issue of territory.

Pointing out that the two leaders will start discussing the topic next week, Ercakica said that next week’s meeting will focus on establishing principles that will be used to determine the amount of land which will be left to the control of the two founding states.

He said bringing maps to the negotiating table was not expected, Ercakica said that they would perceive any such move as inappropriate.
The Presidential Spokesman said that a map outlining the territories of the two founding states could only emerge once agreement is reached on all the issues related to territory.

Touching upon the recent UN Security council resolution extending UNFICYP’s mandate for a further six months, Ercakica reminded that the UN peacekeeping force will not remain stationed on the island forever.

Explaining that the Turkish Cypriot Side did not produce any suggestions regarding UNFICYP’s mission in Cyprus or the number of peacekeeping troops stationed on the island, the Presidential Spokesman said that there was more urgent need for UN peacekeepers in other parts of the world.
He expressed the view that the UN should direct its energy and resources to places where there is a greater need.

Asked to comment on the British Foreign Secretary David Miliband’s latest statement regarding the issue of guarantees, Ercakica said that the British Foreign Secretary’s suggestion that the issue should be discussed subsequent to a peace deal was misinterpreted.

“What he actually meant was at the negotiations”he added.
Pointing out that the Turkish Cypriot Side supported the continuation of the guarantees; Ercakica said “what is essential for us is the continuation of Turkey’s effective guarantee without being watered down.

[Kifeas]

The territorial arrangement between the two states, and what percentage each state will end up with, is totally meaningless if the overall terms of the solution are not agreed and specified. For example, if we were to agree to a type of “federal” solution along the lines of the Turkish /TC “understanding” (or along the philosophy and the destructive ambiguities of the Anan plan,) then the Turkish Cypriot constituent state should not posses any more territory than the 18% of the country. If on the other hand, we agree to a federation along the lines of the Greek Cypriot understanding, then perhaps the 29-30% might not be of a problem.

[halil]

Foreign Minister Huseyin Ozgurgun has said that the red lines of the Turkish Cypriot Side are the two founding states, un-diluted bi-zonality, political equality of the two founding states and Turkey’s active guarantee.
Mr. Ozgurgun was speaking during a visit paid to him by the Cyprus Turkish Fighters Society yesterday.

According to a statement by the Ministry after the meeting, the Foreign Minister stressed that the Turkish Cypriot Side will never accept any ‘fait accompli’ saying ‘We are not lack of alternative. Any solution to the problem would only be found within the framework of policies created by the National Unity Party during a historical process’.

For his part, the Secretary General of the Cyprus Turkish Fighters Society Vural Turkmen said the main reason of UBP’s success in the elections was the party’s policy it has been carrying out on the red lines without making any concessions.

[boulio]

un-diluted bi-zonality,

if this means a pure turkish north you will be lucky to get 15%

[The Cypriot]

Foreign Minister Huseyin Ozgurgun has said that the red lines of the Turkish Cypriot Side are the two founding states, un-diluted bi-zonality, political equality of the two founding states and Turkey’s active guarantee.

Turkey's military needs to bring all its war criminals to justice. So many atrocities were committed by this so-called professional army back in 1974 how can the victims of these atrocities possibly accept them as "active guarantors"? How?

If you were living in the free part of Cyprus, free from the clutches of this military, free from fear of intervention of this military, would you accept this guarantee? Wouldn't this be a 'red line' for you?

The military of Turkey must leave, never to darken Cyprus's door again and alternative, mutually acceptable security arrangements agreed.

[The Cypriot]

Foreign Minister Huseyin Ozgurgun... stressed that the Turkish Cypriot Side will never accept any ‘fait accompli’ saying ‘We are not lack of alternative’.

What are "the alternative" do you think? Is there more than one?

[YFred]

Foreign Minister Huseyin Ozgurgun has said that the red lines of the Turkish Cypriot Side are the two founding states, un-diluted bi-zonality, political equality of the two founding states and Turkey’s active guarantee.

Turkey's military needs to bring all its war criminals to justice. So many atrocities were committed by this so-called professional army back in 1974 how can the victims of these atrocities possibly accept them as "active guarantors"? How?

If you were living in the free part of Cyprus, free from the clutches of this military, free from fear of intervention of this military, would you accept this guarantee? Wouldn't this be a 'red line' for you?

The military of Turkey must leave, never to darken Cyprus's door again and alternative, mutually acceptable security arrangements agreed.

Just as 1963 and 67 Murderers on both sides have never been brought to justice and some achieved very high levels in government on both sides, unfortunately nor will the 74 murderers on both sides. It is better that they come forward and identify the location of where their victims are, so their families can have peace and closure. I doubt that anything will be gained by pursuing them for justice.

As to the Guaranty, without it, TCs will not vote for any agreement. I cannot see why there is an objection. If GC never attack TCs, then Turkey will not attack GCs, and I know you are going to jump up and down saying that GCs did not touch TCs until after the Turkish intervention bla bla, as much as you will deny it Sampson had every intention of wiping TC out. Whether its true or not is immaterial, TC believe it and will not vote for any peace without guarantee.
How many times have we been here? 10000000000million times.

[DT.]

Foreign Minister Huseyin Ozgurgun has said that the red lines of the Turkish Cypriot Side are the two founding states, un-diluted bi-zonality, political equality of the two founding states and Turkey’s active guarantee.

Turkey's military needs to bring all its war criminals to justice. So many atrocities were committed by this so-called professional army back in 1974 how can the victims of these atrocities possibly accept them as "active guarantors"? How?

If you were living in the free part of Cyprus, free from the clutches of this military, free from fear of intervention of this military, would you accept this guarantee? Wouldn't this be a 'red line' for you?

The military of Turkey must leave, never to darken Cyprus's door again and alternative, mutually acceptable security arrangements agreed.

Just as 1963 and 67 Murderers on both sides have never been brought to justice and some achieved very high levels in government on both sides, unfortunately nor will the 74 murderers on both sides. It is better that they come forward and identify the location of where their victims are, so their families can have peace and closure. I doubt that anything will be gained by pursuing them for justice.

As to the Guaranty, without it, TCs will not vote for any agreement. I cannot see why there is an objection. If GC never attack TCs, then Turkey will not attack GCs, and I know you are going to jump up and down saying that GCs did not touch TCs until after the Turkish intervention bla bla, as much as you will deny it Sampson had every intention of wiping TC out. Whether its true or not is immaterial, TC believe it and will not vote for any peace without guarantee.
How many times have we been here? 10000000000million times.

Blithering idiot..

You've just explained to all of us that if Turkey decideds that someone MAY harm the TC's they will have the right to invade again.

Take what you can now cause its gonna get worse for you.