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[The Cypriot]

Just as 1963 and 67 Murderers on both sides have never been brought to justice and some achieved very high levels in government on both sides, unfortunately nor will the 74 murderers on both sides.

Criminals should be bought to justice. Agreed.

As to the Guaranty, without it, TCs will not vote for any agreement. I cannot see why there is an objection. If GC never attack TCs, then Turkey will not attack GCs,

But what if conflict is engineered giving Turkey a pretext to intervene. See the problem here? Who decides? It's a deal-breaker. You must see this.

TC believe it and will not vote for any peace without guarantee.
How many times have we been here? 10000000000million times.

What you need is a guarantee of security not of Turkey's right to intervene, which is about Turkey's military interest, not the interests of the people on Cyprus. See the difference? It's a deal breaker. Make no mistake.

[YFred]

Foreign Minister Huseyin Ozgurgun has said that the red lines of the Turkish Cypriot Side are the two founding states, un-diluted bi-zonality, political equality of the two founding states and Turkey’s active guarantee.

Turkey's military needs to bring all its war criminals to justice. So many atrocities were committed by this so-called professional army back in 1974 how can the victims of these atrocities possibly accept them as "active guarantors"? How?

If you were living in the free part of Cyprus, free from the clutches of this military, free from fear of intervention of this military, would you accept this guarantee? Wouldn't this be a 'red line' for you?

The military of Turkey must leave, never to darken Cyprus's door again and alternative, mutually acceptable security arrangements agreed.

Just as 1963 and 67 Murderers on both sides have never been brought to justice and some achieved very high levels in government on both sides, unfortunately nor will the 74 murderers on both sides. It is better that they come forward and identify the location of where their victims are, so their families can have peace and closure. I doubt that anything will be gained by pursuing them for justice.

As to the Guaranty, without it, TCs will not vote for any agreement. I cannot see why there is an objection. If GC never attack TCs, then Turkey will not attack GCs, and I know you are going to jump up and down saying that GCs did not touch TCs until after the Turkish intervention bla bla, as much as you will deny it Sampson had every intention of wiping TC out. Whether its true or not is immaterial, TC believe it and will not vote for any peace without guarantee.
How many times have we been here? 10000000000million times.

Blithering idiot..

You've just explained to all of us that if Turkey decideds that someone MAY harm the TC's they will have the right to invade again.

Take what you can now cause its gonna get worse for you.

Speak for yourself.
We were saved and grateful for it.

[Kikapu]

I think Turkey, Greece and the UK should be Guarantors to all Cypriots, in that, if any Cypriot should feel uncomfortable living in Cyprus for what ever reason or that they fear for their lives physically or economically, that the above 3 Guarantor nations can guarantee to take these poor Cypriots into their own country and give them a house, a job and a citizenship.!

[The Cypriot]

We were saved and grateful for it.

Fine. Say thank you. And let's move on.

Don't you see? A fully reunited and fully grateful Cyprus – together with Greece – would repay a fully civilised Turkey a hundred-fold, by lobbying the EU for her entry... Like Greece did for Cyprus.

[The Cypriot]

I think Turkey, Greece and the UK should be Guarantors to all Cypriots, in that, if any Cypriot should feel uncomfortable living in Cyprus for what ever reason or that they fear for their lives physically or economically, that the above 3 Guarantor nations can guarantee to take these poor Cypriots into their own country and give them a house, a job and a citizenship.!

Good one. What better guarantee of safety than to run back to mama whenever you wanted...?

[YFred]

We were saved and grateful for it.

Fine. Say thank you. And let's move on.

Don't you see/ A fully reunited and fully grateful Cyprus – together with Greece – would repay a fully civilised Turkey a hundred-fold, by lobbying the EU for her entry... Like Greece did for Cyprus.

I can see that and I think Greece is further on that matter. However the real problem is that TC will not vote for any plan without guaranty. We are in an impossible situation.

[bill cobbett]

We were saved and grateful for it.

Fine. Say thank you. And let's move on.

Don't you see/ A fully reunited and fully grateful Cyprus – together with Greece – would repay a fully civilised Turkey a hundred-fold, by lobbying the EU for her entry... Like Greece did for Cyprus.

I can see that and I think Greece is further on that matter. However the real problem is that TC will not vote for any plan without guaranty. We are in an impossible situation.

... and your greecy friends won't vote for a settlement that includes a Tr guarantee. You'll appreciate the reasons for this F.

There is a workaround to what seems an intractable problem.

[YFred]

We were saved and grateful for it.

Fine. Say thank you. And let's move on.

Don't you see/ A fully reunited and fully grateful Cyprus – together with Greece – would repay a fully civilised Turkey a hundred-fold, by lobbying the EU for her entry... Like Greece did for Cyprus.

I can see that and I think Greece is further on that matter. However the real problem is that TC will not vote for any plan without guaranty. We are in an impossible situation.

... and your greecy friends won't vote for a settlement that includes a Tr guarantee. You'll appreciate the reasons for this F.

There is a workaround to what seems an intractable problem.

Explain.

[The Cypriot]

I can see that and I think Greece is further on that matter. However the real problem is that TC will not vote for any plan without guaranty. We are in an impossible situation.

YFred, the politicians have to lead, not come up with destructive red lines which put us in an impossible situation!

[YFred]

I can see that and I think Greece is further on that matter. However the real problem is that TC will not vote for any plan without guaranty. We are in an impossible situation.

YFred, the politicians have to lead, not come up with destructive red lines which put us in an impossible situation!

You remember what Makarios said? I cannot take my people where they don't want to go.