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[DT.]

I'll tell you what...these guys may be right. We need to start clearing out all our permanent staff in the EU and get some honest ones in.'

Lets start with this guy..

Senior cabinet member to the Cyprus Commissioner Mr Kyprianou and now Mrs Vassilliou

Mr. Erdem Erginel




http://ec.europa.eu/commission_barroso/ ... eam_en.htm

[paliometoxo]

probably not but.. hope there will be

[YFred]

no solution by the end of 2009 2019 2029 2039 ........
KKTC loves you all

I'm sure it does...just like all the other money-seeking desparate whores.

speaking of money seeking whores, south cyprus is world famous for Russian money laundry.

Tight anti-money laundering rues apply in Cyprus due to FATF regulations and EU memberhsip....which is more than I can say for that millitary base in the north which is home to Europe's finest criminals.

Stop kidding yourself. How did Milosevic and the russian mafia get away with it then? Does crooks setting the rules to catch crooks have anything to do with it?

SO this DOES mean that our representatives in the EU are crooks!

By all means dig a little deeper into the EU activities to see how much the crooks are allowed to milk the cow? And how ready and willing she is for milking?
You can start with Papadobullos's firm. That will be a good point to start with.

Let start with this

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 273433.ece






From The Times
January 30, 2008
Fugitives holed up in northern Cyprus
Steve Bird in Kyrenia and Sean O’Neill, Crime Editor

Video: Securitas cash hidden in Cyprus?

The net is closing on a group of fugitives from the £53 million Securitas raid who are hiding in northern Cyprus. The Times has learnt that British investigators have been liaising with Turkish Cypriot authorities to track a number of men believed to have smuggled suitcases full of cash out of Britain.

It is feared, however, that most of the missing £32 million has already been laundered into untraceable assets and invested in other criminal activities, including the drugs trade.

There is neither an extradition treaty nor formal diplomatic ties with northern Cyprus, but a working relationship has been forged that has resulted in a number of other criminal suspects being deported to Britain.

Sean Lupton, 47, who was arrested in connection with the 2006 robbery and then released on bail, is believed to be in Cyprus, as are two Turkish Cypriot brothers linked to the gang.

Sources close to the inquiry said that a number of other Securitas suspects are also holed up in the Turkish-controlled part of the island.

The northern part of Cyprus, occupied by Turkey in 1974, has been transformed by an influx of British money in the past ten years. Casinos and hotels are interspersed with fish-and-chip shops and English pubs and a string of estate agencies offering newly built villas on the hills overlooking the Mediterranean. Much of the Securitas money smuggled here is believed to have been laundered through this booming property market.

“Cash talks,” said one estate agent, who did not want to be named. “What builder would turn down cash in favour of a cheque? It’s the best way of doing business and building villa complexes.”

A British woman engaged in the property market said: “You’re always bumping into the cons. They love it here. They are characters: bull necks, gold rings, chunky necklaces with skin tanned like worn boot leather.”

Should the Securitas fugitives be deported they will face trial and then court orders requiring them to surrender their assets. But those are likely to amount to a small fraction of the missing cash.

The money trail emanating from the Securitas depot in Kent has led not just to Cyprus but also to Morocco, Albania and Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates, which has been identified as pivotal in the laundering of criminal assets.

Rowan Bosworth-Davies, a money-laundering consultant, said that the gang’s immediate priority after the raid would have been to get the money out of Britain. “Smuggling suitcases full of cash is becoming increasingly popular because of strict British banking rules,” he said. “Given how meticulously they planned the robbery I’m quite sure they will have put together a variety of means of getting the stuff out of the country.”

Those means will have included paying trusted friends to carry cash into the eurozone, open bank accounts and immediately turn sterling into euros. The proceeds could then be withdrawn from ATM machines across the European Union. The robbers are also likely to have employed specialist money launderers who, for a commission of about 30 per cent, would be prepared to drip-feed large sums through money transmission outlets to accounts around the globe.

Dubai is a favoured destination for dirty money because of the ease with which gold can be bought for cash, the presence of a booming construction industry and the operation of the “hawala” money transfer system.

Bill Tupman, of University of Exeter, said: “This is a case of crude, old-fashioned money laundering – turning cash into other assets such as gold, property, high-value cars and dope.

“The biggest problem they will have had is the fact that the cash is in sterling. It is much easier and much quicker to launder it in euros. But cash always has a value.”

Mr Bosworth-Davies agreed: “The reality is that wherever there is cash to be obtained there is always someone who is willing to turn a blind eye.

“This was an old-style blag and the end product was a shedload of cash. People have been saying for the last few years that the days of such crimes are over. But despite all the fantastically secure banking systems we hear about, someone has got away with the great bulk of this money.”

The Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca), which has been working closely with Kent Police on the Securitas inquiry, refused to comment on its involvement last night.

Securitas: Profiles of the gang

Lea Rusha, a roofer and father of three, told the court that he was a martial arts expert. The prosecution said that he was at the heart of the gang. He claimed that he was at home eating a curry at the time of the robbery.

Stuart Royle ran a used-car business and said that he was a former member of the Special Boat Service. The Armed Forces have no record of him. He dismissed his legal team and defended himself.

Jetmir Bucpapa, an Albanian, was the reconnaisance man, sizing up the depot and Mr Dixon’s home. His DNA was found on a suitcase containing £825,500 after the robbery.

Roger Coutts, a garage owner, took part in the robbery as well as the kidnappings. He said that he could not explain how his DNA came to be on a holdall where £8.6 million was found.

Emir Hysenaj, also an Albanian, started work at the depot two months before the robbery and, using a high-tech video camera attached to his belt, recorded the inside of the premises.

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You remind me of Mr Jones from "Dads Army" - Don't panic! You are so predictable. Of course there is no point looking south, there is no mafia there.
Statistically for every one crook in the north there are 5 in the south. Go figure that.

[DT.]

no solution by the end of 2009 2019 2029 2039 ........
KKTC loves you all

I'm sure it does...just like all the other money-seeking desparate whores.

speaking of money seeking whores, south cyprus is world famous for Russian money laundry.

Tight anti-money laundering rues apply in Cyprus due to FATF regulations and EU memberhsip....which is more than I can say for that millitary base in the north which is home to Europe's finest criminals.

Stop kidding yourself. How did Milosevic and the russian mafia get away with it then? Does crooks setting the rules to catch crooks have anything to do with it?

SO this DOES mean that our representatives in the EU are crooks!

By all means dig a little deeper into the EU activities to see how much the crooks are allowed to milk the cow? And how ready and willing she is for milking?
You can start with Papadobullos's firm. That will be a good point to start with.

Let start with this

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 273433.ece






From The Times
January 30, 2008
Fugitives holed up in northern Cyprus
Steve Bird in Kyrenia and Sean O’Neill, Crime Editor

Video: Securitas cash hidden in Cyprus?

The net is closing on a group of fugitives from the £53 million Securitas raid who are hiding in northern Cyprus. The Times has learnt that British investigators have been liaising with Turkish Cypriot authorities to track a number of men believed to have smuggled suitcases full of cash out of Britain.

It is feared, however, that most of the missing £32 million has already been laundered into untraceable assets and invested in other criminal activities, including the drugs trade.

There is neither an extradition treaty nor formal diplomatic ties with northern Cyprus, but a working relationship has been forged that has resulted in a number of other criminal suspects being deported to Britain.

Sean Lupton, 47, who was arrested in connection with the 2006 robbery and then released on bail, is believed to be in Cyprus, as are two Turkish Cypriot brothers linked to the gang.

Sources close to the inquiry said that a number of other Securitas suspects are also holed up in the Turkish-controlled part of the island.

The northern part of Cyprus, occupied by Turkey in 1974, has been transformed by an influx of British money in the past ten years. Casinos and hotels are interspersed with fish-and-chip shops and English pubs and a string of estate agencies offering newly built villas on the hills overlooking the Mediterranean. Much of the Securitas money smuggled here is believed to have been laundered through this booming property market.

“Cash talks,” said one estate agent, who did not want to be named. “What builder would turn down cash in favour of a cheque? It’s the best way of doing business and building villa complexes.”

A British woman engaged in the property market said: “You’re always bumping into the cons. They love it here. They are characters: bull necks, gold rings, chunky necklaces with skin tanned like worn boot leather.”

Should the Securitas fugitives be deported they will face trial and then court orders requiring them to surrender their assets. But those are likely to amount to a small fraction of the missing cash.

The money trail emanating from the Securitas depot in Kent has led not just to Cyprus but also to Morocco, Albania and Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates, which has been identified as pivotal in the laundering of criminal assets.

Rowan Bosworth-Davies, a money-laundering consultant, said that the gang’s immediate priority after the raid would have been to get the money out of Britain. “Smuggling suitcases full of cash is becoming increasingly popular because of strict British banking rules,” he said. “Given how meticulously they planned the robbery I’m quite sure they will have put together a variety of means of getting the stuff out of the country.”

Those means will have included paying trusted friends to carry cash into the eurozone, open bank accounts and immediately turn sterling into euros. The proceeds could then be withdrawn from ATM machines across the European Union. The robbers are also likely to have employed specialist money launderers who, for a commission of about 30 per cent, would be prepared to drip-feed large sums through money transmission outlets to accounts around the globe.

Dubai is a favoured destination for dirty money because of the ease with which gold can be bought for cash, the presence of a booming construction industry and the operation of the “hawala” money transfer system.

Bill Tupman, of University of Exeter, said: “This is a case of crude, old-fashioned money laundering – turning cash into other assets such as gold, property, high-value cars and dope.

“The biggest problem they will have had is the fact that the cash is in sterling. It is much easier and much quicker to launder it in euros. But cash always has a value.”

Mr Bosworth-Davies agreed: “The reality is that wherever there is cash to be obtained there is always someone who is willing to turn a blind eye.

“This was an old-style blag and the end product was a shedload of cash. People have been saying for the last few years that the days of such crimes are over. But despite all the fantastically secure banking systems we hear about, someone has got away with the great bulk of this money.”

The Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca), which has been working closely with Kent Police on the Securitas inquiry, refused to comment on its involvement last night.

Securitas: Profiles of the gang

Lea Rusha, a roofer and father of three, told the court that he was a martial arts expert. The prosecution said that he was at the heart of the gang. He claimed that he was at home eating a curry at the time of the robbery.

Stuart Royle ran a used-car business and said that he was a former member of the Special Boat Service. The Armed Forces have no record of him. He dismissed his legal team and defended himself.

Jetmir Bucpapa, an Albanian, was the reconnaisance man, sizing up the depot and Mr Dixon’s home. His DNA was found on a suitcase containing £825,500 after the robbery.

Roger Coutts, a garage owner, took part in the robbery as well as the kidnappings. He said that he could not explain how his DNA came to be on a holdall where £8.6 million was found.

Emir Hysenaj, also an Albanian, started work at the depot two months before the robbery and, using a high-tech video camera attached to his belt, recorded the inside of the premises.

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You remind me of Mr Jones from "Dads Army" - Don't panic! You are so predictable. Of course there is no point looking south, there is no mafia there.
Statistically for every one crook in the north there are 5 in the south. Go figure that.

any proof? Any links on these statistics? Shall we ask Erdem erginel what he thinks of his country's record?

[YFred]

no solution by the end of 2009 2019 2029 2039 ........
KKTC loves you all

I'm sure it does...just like all the other money-seeking desparate whores.

speaking of money seeking whores, south cyprus is world famous for Russian money laundry.

Tight anti-money laundering rues apply in Cyprus due to FATF regulations and EU memberhsip....which is more than I can say for that millitary base in the north which is home to Europe's finest criminals.

Stop kidding yourself. How did Milosevic and the russian mafia get away with it then? Does crooks setting the rules to catch crooks have anything to do with it?

SO this DOES mean that our representatives in the EU are crooks!

By all means dig a little deeper into the EU activities to see how much the crooks are allowed to milk the cow? And how ready and willing she is for milking?
You can start with Papadobullos's firm. That will be a good point to start with.

Let start with this

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 273433.ece






From The Times
January 30, 2008
Fugitives holed up in northern Cyprus
Steve Bird in Kyrenia and Sean O’Neill, Crime Editor

Video: Securitas cash hidden in Cyprus?

The net is closing on a group of fugitives from the £53 million Securitas raid who are hiding in northern Cyprus. The Times has learnt that British investigators have been liaising with Turkish Cypriot authorities to track a number of men believed to have smuggled suitcases full of cash out of Britain.

It is feared, however, that most of the missing £32 million has already been laundered into untraceable assets and invested in other criminal activities, including the drugs trade.

There is neither an extradition treaty nor formal diplomatic ties with northern Cyprus, but a working relationship has been forged that has resulted in a number of other criminal suspects being deported to Britain.

Sean Lupton, 47, who was arrested in connection with the 2006 robbery and then released on bail, is believed to be in Cyprus, as are two Turkish Cypriot brothers linked to the gang.

Sources close to the inquiry said that a number of other Securitas suspects are also holed up in the Turkish-controlled part of the island.

The northern part of Cyprus, occupied by Turkey in 1974, has been transformed by an influx of British money in the past ten years. Casinos and hotels are interspersed with fish-and-chip shops and English pubs and a string of estate agencies offering newly built villas on the hills overlooking the Mediterranean. Much of the Securitas money smuggled here is believed to have been laundered through this booming property market.

“Cash talks,” said one estate agent, who did not want to be named. “What builder would turn down cash in favour of a cheque? It’s the best way of doing business and building villa complexes.”

A British woman engaged in the property market said: “You’re always bumping into the cons. They love it here. They are characters: bull necks, gold rings, chunky necklaces with skin tanned like worn boot leather.”

Should the Securitas fugitives be deported they will face trial and then court orders requiring them to surrender their assets. But those are likely to amount to a small fraction of the missing cash.

The money trail emanating from the Securitas depot in Kent has led not just to Cyprus but also to Morocco, Albania and Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates, which has been identified as pivotal in the laundering of criminal assets.

Rowan Bosworth-Davies, a money-laundering consultant, said that the gang’s immediate priority after the raid would have been to get the money out of Britain. “Smuggling suitcases full of cash is becoming increasingly popular because of strict British banking rules,” he said. “Given how meticulously they planned the robbery I’m quite sure they will have put together a variety of means of getting the stuff out of the country.”

Those means will have included paying trusted friends to carry cash into the eurozone, open bank accounts and immediately turn sterling into euros. The proceeds could then be withdrawn from ATM machines across the European Union. The robbers are also likely to have employed specialist money launderers who, for a commission of about 30 per cent, would be prepared to drip-feed large sums through money transmission outlets to accounts around the globe.

Dubai is a favoured destination for dirty money because of the ease with which gold can be bought for cash, the presence of a booming construction industry and the operation of the “hawala” money transfer system.

Bill Tupman, of University of Exeter, said: “This is a case of crude, old-fashioned money laundering – turning cash into other assets such as gold, property, high-value cars and dope.

“The biggest problem they will have had is the fact that the cash is in sterling. It is much easier and much quicker to launder it in euros. But cash always has a value.”

Mr Bosworth-Davies agreed: “The reality is that wherever there is cash to be obtained there is always someone who is willing to turn a blind eye.

“This was an old-style blag and the end product was a shedload of cash. People have been saying for the last few years that the days of such crimes are over. But despite all the fantastically secure banking systems we hear about, someone has got away with the great bulk of this money.”

The Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca), which has been working closely with Kent Police on the Securitas inquiry, refused to comment on its involvement last night.

Securitas: Profiles of the gang

Lea Rusha, a roofer and father of three, told the court that he was a martial arts expert. The prosecution said that he was at the heart of the gang. He claimed that he was at home eating a curry at the time of the robbery.

Stuart Royle ran a used-car business and said that he was a former member of the Special Boat Service. The Armed Forces have no record of him. He dismissed his legal team and defended himself.

Jetmir Bucpapa, an Albanian, was the reconnaisance man, sizing up the depot and Mr Dixon’s home. His DNA was found on a suitcase containing £825,500 after the robbery.

Roger Coutts, a garage owner, took part in the robbery as well as the kidnappings. He said that he could not explain how his DNA came to be on a holdall where £8.6 million was found.

Emir Hysenaj, also an Albanian, started work at the depot two months before the robbery and, using a high-tech video camera attached to his belt, recorded the inside of the premises.

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You remind me of Mr Jones from "Dads Army" - Don't panic! You are so predictable. Of course there is no point looking south, there is no mafia there.
Statistically for every one crook in the north there are 5 in the south. Go figure that.

any proof? Any links on these statistics? Shall we ask Erdem erginel what he thinks of his country's record?

Why? do you have problem finding them or have you got your Hellenic glasses on today?
Look more carefully, I am sure you are perfectly capable of finding them.

[EPSILON]

Many people are getting a good life,selling solutions on Cyprus problem. They are not ready yet to loose their standard of life and solve the problem. It will take as far as they can

[Viewpoint]

Thank you for proving my point that we are all incapable of finding a solution and the current situation is permanent.

[Get Real!]

Thank you for proving my point that we are all incapable of finding a solution and the current situation is permanent.

The solution will come when the “TRNC” collapses and they realize what a bunch of useless goofballs they really are, and at no surprise to us.

[Viewpoint]

Thank you for proving my point that we are all incapable of finding a solution and the current situation is permanent.

The solution will come when the “TRNC” collapses and they realize what a bunch of useless goofballs they really are, and at no surprise to us.

Dont hold your breath....you and I are both part of the problem and why there will never be a solution.

[Get Real!]

Thank you for proving my point that we are all incapable of finding a solution and the current situation is permanent.

The solution will come when the “TRNC” collapses and they realize what a bunch of useless goofballs they really are, and at no surprise to us.

Dont hold your breath....you and I are both part of the problem and why there will never be a solution.

Yes, but I also happen to know that money talks and bullshit walks…