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[bill cobbett]

That is true. So now the Greek Cypriots in order to distance themselves from the responsiility of the devastation caused to Cyprus are playing the 'innocent'.Oh, well, whats new.

What happens now, is that we should all gather our wits and sort this mess out. No point arguing ad infinitum, 'you started it first' and all that c--p.

The Greek Cypriots did not support the Greek military dictatorship - infact nor did the Greeks. What happend to them? They were thrown into jail. Whats happend to the Turkish military dictatorship? They are worshipped like gods by the narrowminded nationalist majority of Turks. I hope that puts things into perspective.

Lumping everyday innocent citizens and a government together as one is all very easy and convenient when you are fishing for propaganda.

I was referring to those TC haters on the forum. I should have madeit clearer.

Do you mean all except two or maybe three?

Fredddie

I hope your'e not referring to myself and young bill ????

I thought you were buying the drinks when we stop off at Luricina on our way to a free Kyrenia

Of course not you Richard but I do have serious reservation about your friend.

I heard that, Freddie. W..a..t...c...h it!

(when I see you Freddie, I'm going to make you listen to VP's gramaphone record, for hours and hours. No, make that for days, non-stop)

I think Freddie would prefer the concrete option

Who in their right mind wouldn't?!!!!

(reh Cheffie, aman se tho, tha se spaso reh, ... me des beeres.)

[YFred]

That is true. So now the Greek Cypriots in order to distance themselves from the responsiility of the devastation caused to Cyprus are playing the 'innocent'.Oh, well, whats new.

What happens now, is that we should all gather our wits and sort this mess out. No point arguing ad infinitum, 'you started it first' and all that c--p.

The Greek Cypriots did not support the Greek military dictatorship - infact nor did the Greeks. What happend to them? They were thrown into jail. Whats happend to the Turkish military dictatorship? They are worshipped like gods by the narrowminded nationalist majority of Turks. I hope that puts things into perspective.

Lumping everyday innocent citizens and a government together as one is all very easy and convenient when you are fishing for propaganda.

I was referring to those TC haters on the forum. I should have madeit clearer.

Do you mean all except two or maybe three?

Fredddie

I hope your'e not referring to myself and young bill ????

I thought you were buying the drinks when we stop off at Luricina on our way to a free Kyrenia

Of course not you Richard but I do have serious reservation about your friend.

I heard that, Freddie. W..a..t...c...h it!

(when I see you Freddie, I'm going to make you listen to VP's gramaphone record, for hours and hours. No, make that for days, non-stop)

I never said nofink to nobody.
How did you recognise yourself, enna se gamo turkuin re, gatsoshiro.

[Viewpoint]

I forgot to vote!

What do you think VP? Which of the two do you want increased?

You are free to vote how you wish...you know where I stand.

Yeah... on top of a minaret!

Ok, I'm giving my vote to “NO” because it won't happen by the end of this year, but very realistic for the end of 2010 IF the Oil & Gas exploration/extraction commences.

We are prime examples of why there will never be a solution.

You are a prime example of why an agreed solution will never be found. What you want is partition, the exact same thing you wanted since the 50s, and you will accept nothing else.

I am only 50% you are clearly the other 50% and why there will never be a solution.

[Viewpoint]

Only working plans in Cyprus will be TC's equal power sharing with GC's . Others solutions will always cause new problems in Cyprus.

On the contrary what causes the problems is the demand by the 18% minority to have 50% of power and Ottoman style privileges on the expense of everybody else. And this is a behavior which is encouraged by Turkey and UK in order to maintain the problem (and therefore their troops) in Cyprus.

If segregation, racist discrimination and Ottoman style privileges to an 18% minority was a solution, then we wouldn't have any problems after 1960. The fact that we had problems proves that such thing is not a solution. You can not discriminate against the 82% majority and think that this is a "solution" because it suits your 18% minority.

The solution is the same that works in all other successful multi-ethnic countries in the world: a true democracy, equality among citizens without racist discrimination and segregation.

You cannot be trusted therefore a balance must be struck to guarantee our rights, we will never surrender them purely into your hands, this would mean capitulation for TCs.

[Floda]

Floda


I always start questioning the Cyprus problem from 1963 up to now .

Halil,

I think you should go back a few more years if you wish to uncover the true facts leading up to the situation in Cyprus (AND the Middle East) today.

Politics has a nasty habit of envisaging what the future results of current policies will achieve.

I really think it is about time people woke up to the fact that political self interest (within the halls of power) overrides the needs and expectations of the electorate.

For as long as the ordinary folk can be kept at each others throats, the politicians will be working on safe ground. IMHO.

No Floda ,
ın 1960 Independant ROC was forumed between TC's and GC's . All true the history of Cyprus it was the only time there was a country called only with her name :Republic of Cyprus and we were partner in this Republic upto 1963 . I don't care what was happened before . I don't think that ordinary peoples were carefull not to attack or holds eachother throats . It was our people who made this mistake .We must first question ourselfs . who were those people holding guns in their hands .It was our fathers ,brothers and uncles. It is very easy just to say politicions . it is the cheapest way to run away from realities .

with the new games true democracy or with other formulas we can not find the solution in Cyprus . We are in a such a position in Cyprus there must be balanc between 2 sides . In 1960 ROC was established to keep the balance between 2 sides . If scales moves further to one side advantage there will be begining of the further problems again . It is very frigle and breakable everything in Cyprus . needs lots of work .Not just saying with true democracy or equality .

In other words, not caring about what happened ( or what schemes the politicians were busy putting into place ) prior to 1963.

Not realising that the people were being manipulated in order to reach the political objectives (schemes) envisaged by the politicians.

Not recognising the tried and tested methods of creating disharmony among the general population.

Accepting the propaganda that now appears almost daily in the guise of 'The Latest News'.

It would appear that ALL the above (and several more perfectly visible deceptions) have robbed you of the ability to think for yourself.

Go back a little further in time Halil, forget about what you read in the newspapers, consider what you see with your own eyes and draw your own conclusions, you may be surprised at what comes to light. IMHO.

[DT.]

with the new games true democracy or with other formulas we can not find the solution in Cyprus . .

Only a TC woud call democracy one of those new fangled "new games".

We have a long way to go

[halil]

Floda


I always start questioning the Cyprus problem from 1963 up to now .

Halil,

I think you should go back a few more years if you wish to uncover the true facts leading up to the situation in Cyprus (AND the Middle East) today.

Politics has a nasty habit of envisaging what the future results of current policies will achieve.

I really think it is about time people woke up to the fact that political self interest (within the halls of power) overrides the needs and expectations of the electorate.

For as long as the ordinary folk can be kept at each others throats, the politicians will be working on safe ground. IMHO.

No Floda ,
ın 1960 Independant ROC was forumed between TC's and GC's . All true the history of Cyprus it was the only time there was a country called only with her name :Republic of Cyprus and we were partner in this Republic upto 1963 . I don't care what was happened before . I don't think that ordinary peoples were carefull not to attack or holds eachother throats . It was our people who made this mistake .We must first question ourselfs . who were those people holding guns in their hands .It was our fathers ,brothers and uncles. It is very easy just to say politicions . it is the cheapest way to run away from realities .

with the new games true democracy or with other formulas we can not find the solution in Cyprus . We are in a such a position in Cyprus there must be balanc between 2 sides . In 1960 ROC was established to keep the balance between 2 sides . If scales moves further to one side advantage there will be begining of the further problems again . It is very frigle and breakable everything in Cyprus . needs lots of work .Not just saying with true democracy or equality .

In other words, not caring about what happened ( or what schemes the politicians were busy putting into place ) prior to 1963.

Not realising that the people were being manipulated in order to reach the political objectives (schemes) envisaged by the politicians.

Not recognising the tried and tested methods of creating disharmony among the general population.

Accepting the propaganda that now appears almost daily in the guise of 'The Latest News'.

It would appear that ALL the above (and several more perfectly visible deceptions) have robbed you of the ability to think for yourself.

Go back a little further in time Halil, forget about what you read in the newspapers, consider what you see with your own eyes and draw your own conclusions, you may be surprised at what comes to light. IMHO.

Floda,
my life experience is saying not what i read from the papers .

I lived all those times ........... just remind u my birth year is 1957 .

by living and seeing the things with yourself is completly different what the theory books says .

[DT.]

Floda


I always start questioning the Cyprus problem from 1963 up to now .

Halil,

I think you should go back a few more years if you wish to uncover the true facts leading up to the situation in Cyprus (AND the Middle East) today.

Politics has a nasty habit of envisaging what the future results of current policies will achieve.

I really think it is about time people woke up to the fact that political self interest (within the halls of power) overrides the needs and expectations of the electorate.

For as long as the ordinary folk can be kept at each others throats, the politicians will be working on safe ground. IMHO.

No Floda ,
ın 1960 Independant ROC was forumed between TC's and GC's . All true the history of Cyprus it was the only time there was a country called only with her name :Republic of Cyprus and we were partner in this Republic upto 1963 . I don't care what was happened before . I don't think that ordinary peoples were carefull not to attack or holds eachother throats . It was our people who made this mistake .We must first question ourselfs . who were those people holding guns in their hands .It was our fathers ,brothers and uncles. It is very easy just to say politicions . it is the cheapest way to run away from realities .

with the new games true democracy or with other formulas we can not find the solution in Cyprus . We are in a such a position in Cyprus there must be balanc between 2 sides . In 1960 ROC was established to keep the balance between 2 sides . If scales moves further to one side advantage there will be begining of the further problems again . It is very frigle and breakable everything in Cyprus . needs lots of work .Not just saying with true democracy or equality .

In other words, not caring about what happened ( or what schemes the politicians were busy putting into place ) prior to 1963.

Not realising that the people were being manipulated in order to reach the political objectives (schemes) envisaged by the politicians.

Not recognising the tried and tested methods of creating disharmony among the general population.

Accepting the propaganda that now appears almost daily in the guise of 'The Latest News'.

It would appear that ALL the above (and several more perfectly visible deceptions) have robbed you of the ability to think for yourself.

Go back a little further in time Halil, forget about what you read in the newspapers, consider what you see with your own eyes and draw your own conclusions, you may be surprised at what comes to light. IMHO.

Floda,
my life experience is saying not what i read from the papers .

I lived all those times ........... just remind u my birth year is 1957 .

by living and seeing the things with yourself is completly different what the theory books says .

Halil, what was your experience with GC's before 74?

[EPSILON]

Floda


I always start questioning the Cyprus problem from 1963 up to now .

Halil,

I think you should go back a few more years if you wish to uncover the true facts leading up to the situation in Cyprus (AND the Middle East) today.

Politics has a nasty habit of envisaging what the future results of current policies will achieve.

I really think it is about time people woke up to the fact that political self interest (within the halls of power) overrides the needs and expectations of the electorate.

For as long as the ordinary folk can be kept at each others throats, the politicians will be working on safe ground. IMHO.

No Floda ,
ın 1960 Independant ROC was forumed between TC's and GC's . All true the history of Cyprus it was the only time there was a country called only with her name :Republic of Cyprus and we were partner in this Republic upto 1963 . I don't care what was happened before . I don't think that ordinary peoples were carefull not to attack or holds eachother throats . It was our people who made this mistake .We must first question ourselfs . who were those people holding guns in their hands .It was our fathers ,brothers and uncles. It is very easy just to say politicions . it is the cheapest way to run away from realities .

with the new games true democracy or with other formulas we can not find the solution in Cyprus . We are in a such a position in Cyprus there must be balanc between 2 sides . In 1960 ROC was established to keep the balance between 2 sides . If scales moves further to one side advantage there will be begining of the further problems again . It is very frigle and breakable everything in Cyprus . needs lots of work .Not just saying with true democracy or equality .

In other words, not caring about what happened ( or what schemes the politicians were busy putting into place ) prior to 1963.

Not realising that the people were being manipulated in order to reach the political objectives (schemes) envisaged by the politicians.

Not recognising the tried and tested methods of creating disharmony among the general population.

Accepting the propaganda that now appears almost daily in the guise of 'The Latest News'.

It would appear that ALL the above (and several more perfectly visible deceptions) have robbed you of the ability to think for yourself.

Go back a little further in time Halil, forget about what you read in the newspapers, consider what you see with your own eyes and draw your own conclusions, you may be surprised at what comes to light. IMHO.

Floda,
my life experience is saying not what i read from the papers .

I lived all those times ........... just remind u my birth year is 1957 .

by living and seeing the things with yourself is completly different what the theory books says .

Halil, what was your experience with GC's before 74?

He had not the payment from Talat ,posting propaganta, therefore Halil must be in much better position after 1974.