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[YFred]

Below is an extract of this week’s editorial of “Cyprus Observer,” the newspaper Hasan Ercakican, Talat’s spokesman, publishes on the net. Among other nonsense, he said the following hilarious things:

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DIKO leader Karoyan must remember that it is the victors who put their conditions at the end of wars. The Americans, British, French and the Russians laid down their terms for Hitler’s’ defeated Germany. It was not Hitler or the Germans who dictated to the allies after the Second World War.

So, it is going to be Turkey’s and the Turkish Cypriot’s terms for a solution. Let them take the magnanimous hands of Turkey and Turkish Cypriots for a lasting peace in Cyprus and the region.
Throughout history, losers did not only accept conditions of surrender but have, also, to pay for reparations and losses.

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http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/ ... px?id=3980


These are the people we GCs negotiate with. I suppose Talat, to have this idiot as his spokesman, also shares his above views. Now, what shall we say as GCs? Would we be wrong to say that if these lunatics still believe that they “won a war in 1974” and they are entitled to dictate the terms of peace, akin the allies against Nazi Germany, let’s fuck Turkey’s EU accession, once and for all; and let them also rot in isolation until the hell freezes, or until they disappear as a community from the face of earth? Are we wrong and unfair to make such thoughts? Are these people so far detached with reality, that they still believe they are the winners of a war, and we GCs the losers? How much of a pathetic and desperate loser someone has to be, to utter the above nonsense?

Good morning Vietnam!!!I am shouting this since the first day in this forum but many of us (G/cs) living in moon, looking for brothers and sisters in occupied area to solve the problem.If you loose a war then options asre only two- accept this factor and sign the surrended agreement or stuck on your values and targets until the invator's cost of occupation became unconfortable. The second needs some other politicians and some other Cypriots who have put in the corner for 40 years now.

Epsilon, the only people I know that were "put in the corner for 40 years now," are those Eoka Betases that carried the coup against the elected government of the RoC and who, as soon as the Turks begun invading Kyrenia coasts, took all the Kalashnikovs of the NG and went hiding in the Troodos mountains -some even making “souvla” under the pine-trees; leaving the 18 year olds of the NG alone to face the invaders with WWI Martini Enfield rifles! Are these the people you talk about, that were "put in the corner for 40 years now?"

No my friend. are not only these trators who put aside in Cyprus.Generally (after 1974) we use (in Cyprus) to confuse patriotic actions/policies with fanatics and trators. Junta of Greece organized the coup and the conclusion was that we have to change Ethnicity and targets because whatever refers to Hellenism mixed up with junta regime and EOKA B.The result will be a no grounded policy without targets without scope.Just solving the Cyprus problem on financial factors basis.Is anybody in G/c socity who can refer to Hellenism without immdly to be declared as trator and cooperator of Junta and EOKA B? Even he born several years after these facts he can not refer to his Ethnos because we have mixed up everything in this Island and we consider that we can re-start the Cyprus history from zero, after 1974..

... and, for the record, the coup was carried out by the National Guard not EOKA B' and although some EOKA B' units were indeed formed, these units did fight in the front and got a great deal of the action And again for the record, the coup was organised by the Junta of Ioannidis. The Papadopoulos junta, which Ioannides essentially overthrew, was a staunch supporter of the intercommunal talks.

We can vouch for that, they were the braves that wiped out 3 villages women and children an all.

[Kifeas]

Below is an extract of this week’s editorial of “Cyprus Observer,” the newspaper Hasan Ercakican, Talat’s spokesman, publishes on the net. Among other nonsense, he said the following hilarious things:

…………………………..
DIKO leader Karoyan must remember that it is the victors who put their conditions at the end of wars. The Americans, British, French and the Russians laid down their terms for Hitler’s’ defeated Germany. It was not Hitler or the Germans who dictated to the allies after the Second World War.

So, it is going to be Turkey’s and the Turkish Cypriot’s terms for a solution. Let them take the magnanimous hands of Turkey and Turkish Cypriots for a lasting peace in Cyprus and the region.
Throughout history, losers did not only accept conditions of surrender but have, also, to pay for reparations and losses.

……………………………………………………

http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/ ... px?id=3980


These are the people we GCs negotiate with. I suppose Talat, to have this idiot as his spokesman, also shares his above views. Now, what shall we say as GCs? Would we be wrong to say that if these lunatics still believe that they “won a war in 1974” and they are entitled to dictate the terms of peace, akin the allies against Nazi Germany, let’s fuck Turkey’s EU accession, once and for all; and let them also rot in isolation until the hell freezes, or until they disappear as a community from the face of earth? Are we wrong and unfair to make such thoughts? Are these people so far detached with reality, that they still believe they are the winners of a war, and we GCs the losers? How much of a pathetic and desperate loser someone has to be, to utter the above nonsense?

Good morning Vietnam!!!I am shouting this since the first day in this forum but many of us (G/cs) living in moon, looking for brothers and sisters in occupied area to solve the problem.If you loose a war then options asre only two- accept this factor and sign the surrended agreement or stuck on your values and targets until the invator's cost of occupation became unconfortable. The second needs some other politicians and some other Cypriots who have put in the corner for 40 years now.

Epsilon, the only people I know that were "put in the corner for 40 years now," are those Eoka Betases that carried the coup against the elected government of the RoC and who, as soon as the Turks begun invading Kyrenia coasts, took all the Kalashnikovs of the NG and went hiding in the Troodos mountains -some even making “souvla” under the pine-trees; leaving the 18 year olds of the NG alone to face the invaders with WWI Martini Enfield rifles! Are these the people you talk about, that were "put in the corner for 40 years now?"

No my friend. are not only these trators who put aside in Cyprus.Generally (after 1974) we use (in Cyprus) to confuse patriotic actions/policies with fanatics and trators. Junta of Greece organized the coup and the conclusion was that we have to change Ethnicity and targets because whatever refers to Hellenism mixed up with junta regime and EOKA B.The result will be a no grounded policy without targets without scope.Just solving the Cyprus problem on financial factors basis.Is anybody in G/c socity who can refer to Hellenism without immdly to be declared as trator and cooperator of Junta and EOKA B? Even he born several years after these facts he can not refer to his Ethnos because we have mixed up everything in this Island and we consider that we can re-start the Cyprus history from zero, after 1974..

... and, for the record, the coup was carried out by the National Guard not EOKA B' and although some EOKA B' units were indeed formed, these units did fight in the front and got a great deal of the action And again for the record, the coup was organised by the Junta of Ioannidis. The Papadopoulos junta, which Ioannides essentially overthrew, was a staunch supporter of the intercommunal talks.

Polaki, for the record, we know that the coup was initiated by the National Guard; however -also for the record, Eoka B’ gangs did come out of their caves or Nicosia Prison cells and took an active role in its “successful” implementation and establishment, as soon as the news broke down that “o Makarios einai nekros kai h Ethniki Froura einai h kyria tis katastaseos!” Also for the record, it is a well known fact that massive quantities (some 6,000 peaces) of modern Kalashnikov automatic rifles were removed from the Police and Archbishop’s palace stores and disappeared in the Troodos mountains, together with the Eoka B’ boys, as soon as the Turkish invasion started on the morning of the 20th of July.

Also for the record, there is absolutely not one single battle or insistent relating with the Turkish invasion in which Eoka B’ members took an active role in defending Cyprus! Not a single one! Of course yes, some of them did “patriotically help” in arresting Turkish Cypriot civilians from Tochni and surrounding villages in Limassol area, loaded them on buses and took them to Paramitha for execution. Also, some others did the same in Aloa and Maratha villages in the Famagusta region.

[polis]

We can vouch for that, they were the braves that wiped out 3 villages women and children an all.

Actually not. A handfull of people were involved in the Aloa, Maratha, Sandalari killings just like a handfull of people carried out the Palaikythro killings.

[YFred]

We can vouch for that, they were the braves that wiped out 3 villages women and children an all.

Actually not. A handfull of people were involved in the Aloa, Maratha, Sandalari killings just like a handfull of people carried out the Palaikythro killings.

Why have they not been brought to justice by the RoC?

[EPSILON]

We can vouch for that, they were the braves that wiped out 3 villages women and children an all.

Actually not. A handfull of people were involved in the Aloa, Maratha, Sandalari killings just like a handfull of people carried out the Palaikythro killings.

Why have they not been brought to justice by the RoC?

Almoast same happen in Greece with junta. Bringing such idiots in justice the only thing you can achieve is to destroy your country,considering the fanatics supporting them.

[polis]

Polaki, for the record, we know that the coup was initiated by the National Guard; however -also for the record, Eoka B’ gangs did come out of their caves or Nicosia Prison cells and took an active role in its “successful” implementation and establishment, as soon as the news broke down that “o Makarios einai nekros kai h Ethniki Froura einai h kyria tis katastaseos!” Also for the record, it is a well known fact that massive quantities (some 6,000 peaces) of modern Kalashnikov automatic rifles were removed from the Police and Archbishop’s palace stores and disappeared in the Troodos mountains, together with the Eoka B’ boys, as soon as the Turkish invasion started on the morning of the 20th of July.

And apparently you are the record keeper, otherwise you will be so kind enough as to provide us with the source of the record so that we can carry on the conversation on the basis of verifiable facts.

Also for the record, there is absolutely not one single battle or insistent relating with the Turkish invasion in which Eoka B’ members took an active role in defending Cyprus! Not a single one!

During the war, former EOKA B' men set up 203 Volunteer Battalion headed by Captain Kalogeropoulos and made up of 450 men which was placed under the IV'th Βrigade. This was the main unit set up by former members of EOKA B'. On the first round of the war they fought in Limassol along with units from the 216 Battalion. As far as I am aware, on the second round they fought in Nicosia, along with 216 Battalion. Another former EOKA B' volunteer unit made up of 60 men fought in Lefka along with units from the 256, 261 and 321 Battalions, the same units that then fought in the battles of Lapithos Karavas, in August when they were attacked by Turkish forces during the cease fire and suffered a great number of casualties. These units then fought in Nicosia along with the Famagusta units which included among their officers, Karas, Solomis and Nikos Koutsou who, for the record, received medals for bravery.

The main coupist forces were the three commando units (31 MK, 32 MK and 33 MK), 23 EMA (tank unit), 21 EAN and a couple of companies from ELDYK. These units then took part in some of the fiercest battles in the war and were among those that suffered the greater number of casualties. The local forces were in their greatest part made up of recruits coming from Enosist families (non Enosists were generally not allowed to join these units). So while the former EOKA B' men were fighting with their own units their sons were fighting against the invasion with the commandos or the tank units.

EOKA B' were not involved in the coupist conspiracy and were not involved in the actual carrying out of the coup. However a few hours after the start coup, former EOKA B' men started turning up at the military headquarters and joined the armed units. The only place where former EOKA B' men played a role in the coup of any significance was Limassol where the former EOKA B' fought along with the men of the IV Brigade against the pro-Makaries units that tried to attack from Limassol from Pafos, and basically whipped their asses. These are the men that later set up the 203 Volunteer Battalion. In the rest of Cyprus the EOKA B' men generally joined the military units and then fought along with those units in the war.

(The source is "I Machi tis Kiprou, Ioulios - Augoustos 1974, I anatomia tis Tragodias, Georgios Sergis, Athens 1996)

On the other hand, again for the record, there is this wonderful account by a former District Secretary of EDON of the activities of the 314 Brigade, published by AKEL in its "Chronikon tis Sychronis Kypriakis Tragodias". He describes how the unit, originally stationed in Pafos, was composed mainly of Makarios supporters and Communist. This unit was ordered to move to the front to relieve another infantry unit. When the soldiers found out they were being taken to the front they carried out a mutiny and demanded to be returned to Pafos. Their officers were forced to remove their arms before they continued on their way.

[polis]

We can vouch for that, they were the braves that wiped out 3 villages women and children an all.

Actually not. A handfull of people were involved in the Aloa, Maratha, Sandalari killings just like a handfull of people carried out the Palaikythro killings.

Why have they not been brought to justice by the RoC?

Why have the perpetrators of the Palaikythro killings not been brought to the so called justice of the occupied areas?

[iceman]

I find it very interesting how the old CTP crowd has changed tune after coming to power. If Denktash and Co. had said something similar, these very same people would have slagged them off big time.

Exactly my sentiments Umit...Hasan Ercakica used to be one of the very few journalists i respected & took time to read, bu ever since Talat made him his spokesman he has lost the plot.(and public respect)

[YFred]

We can vouch for that, they were the braves that wiped out 3 villages women and children an all.

Actually not. A handfull of people were involved in the Aloa, Maratha, Sandalari killings just like a handfull of people carried out the Palaikythro killings.

Why have they not been brought to justice by the RoC?

Why have the perpetrators of the Palaikythro killings not been brought to the so called justice of the occupied areas?

There is a small difference. We are not recognised, you are. Legal government that does not apply the law is allowed amongst the international community which is the real joke of the Cyprus problem. The punch line is RoC and is hilarious.

[polis]

We can vouch for that, they were the braves that wiped out 3 villages women and children an all.

Actually not. A handfull of people were involved in the Aloa, Maratha, Sandalari killings just like a handfull of people carried out the Palaikythro killings.

Why have they not been brought to justice by the RoC?

Why have the perpetrators of the Palaikythro killings not been brought to the so called justice of the occupied areas?

There is a small difference. We are not recognised, you are. Legal government that does not apply the law is allowed amongst the international community which is the real joke of the Cyprus problem. The punch line is RoC and is hilarious.

So you are allowed to get away with murder?! Just as I thought you guys couldn't stoop any lower.