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[The Cypriot]

Throughout history, losers did not only accept conditions of surrender but have, also, to pay for reparations and losses.

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Fine. We await his offer of unconditional surrender and the amount he's proposing to pay for reparation and losses. But it could well break the bank.

[halil]

Below is an extract of this week’s editorial of “Cyprus Observer,” the newspaper Hasan Ercakican, Talat’s spokesman, publishes on the net. Among other nonsense, he said the following hilarious things:

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DIKO leader Karoyan must remember that it is the victors who put their conditions at the end of wars. The Americans, British, French and the Russians laid down their terms for Hitler’s’ defeated Germany. It was not Hitler or the Germans who dictated to the allies after the Second World War.

So, it is going to be Turkey’s and the Turkish Cypriot’s terms for a solution. Let them take the magnanimous hands of Turkey and Turkish Cypriots for a lasting peace in Cyprus and the region.
Throughout history, losers did not only accept conditions of surrender but have, also, to pay for reparations and losses.

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http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/ ... px?id=3980


These are the people we GCs negotiate with. I suppose Talat, to have this idiot as his spokesman, also shares his above views. Now, what shall we say as GCs? Would we be wrong to say that if these lunatics still believe that they “won a war in 1974” and they are entitled to dictate the terms of peace, akin the allies against Nazi Germany, let’s fuck Turkey’s EU accession, once and for all; and let them also rot in isolation until the hell freezes, or until they disappear as a community from the face of earth? Are we wrong and unfair to make such thoughts? Are these people so far detached with reality, that they still believe they are the winners of a war, and we GCs the losers? How much of a pathetic and desperate loser someone has to be, to utter the above nonsense?

First of all I don't understand from where Kifeas get the idea that below words are from Hasan Erçakıca ..... Did u read the he has given here to do with Hasan Erçakıca .

have a read again what the article says from the Cyprus observer newspaper.

Karoyan dictates his terms
29.05.2009

DIKO Leader Karoyan was answering questions from ‘civilians’ on Greek Cypriot state TV Cyprus Broadcasting Corporation (CyBC), channel 1. He posed like a glorious, victorious commander of an army which had defeated and had wiped out the enemy. And, he dictated his terms for capitulation.
What a disgusting, disgraceful list of conditions he was putting before President Christofias, who allegedly is striving hard for a peaceful solution and re-unification of divided Cyprus, to convey to the Turkish side at the table.
Yannakis Kareklas, Director of the CyBC news department had to interrupt Karoyan several times during the live transmission. But, he did not ask him politely to be more reasonable.
What was Karayon driving at?
He attempted to use the programme and manipulate participants to demonstrate ‘the rightful’ DIKO’s uncompromising stance on economic and internal matters, not to say the least on the search for a Cyprus settlement.
He accused President and negotiator for the Greek Cypriots, Demetris Christofias, and said that DIKO would prevent concessions from the Greek Cypriot side.
“We have made more than enough concessions by accepting a bizonal, bicommunal Federation, based on political equality. Concessions had to come from the Turkish side. What is equality, how can 80 % of the population be equal with 18% Turkish Cypriots. DIKO is vehemently opposed to confederation, against two constituent states. Turkey has invaded and occupied 36% of our island. Turkey must pull out its armed forces and settlers and the Turkish guarantee must be revoked... the late President Tassos Papadopoulos rejected the Annan Plan with 76 % of the population behind him. We hear talks about another, revised Annan Plan. Christofias must not discuss anything of the sort. DIKO can support Christofias, only when he follows the nationalist policy...”
He had lost all control and looked like a dictator, with the air of full command and control of the people. He was extremely excited and raised his voice to drive home his points. It turned out to be a ludicrous show for him.
Some Greek Cypriots I have spoken with about the TV show, did not hesitate to describe Karoyan as “a lunatic, a clown and an entertainer, definitely not a politician with vision. He ought to explain the reasons of the present state of affairs and he should have the guts to tell the people ‘we have made serious mistakes and lost the battle. We must find ways to put things right and to reduce our losses - both material and moral - to the minimum.”
Greek Cypriots with commonsense, who have lived through the foolhardy adventures of the Greek Cypriot leaders - Archbishop Makarios, Grivas, Kyprianou, Papadopoulos, Samson, Lyssarides, Omirou and others - have realised that a peaceful settlement and re-unification of Cyprus won’t be possible by demanding the ‘surrender’ of the Turkish Cypriots and of Turkey to the whims of politicians like Karoyan, Lyssarides, Omirou and Koutsou.
Demetris Christofias and AKEL’s Secretary General Andros Kyprianou, in their view, were on the right track. But, extremists, fanatics, traitors and short sighted politicians wanted them to follow a harder line and dictate their own conditions to the Turkish side as if the Turks were the vanquished.
DIKO leader Karoyan with his fiery statements and expressions, supported by EDEK and Omirou should realise that what they are doing is ‘pouring petrol on the fire’. A fire which may engulf them and the whole of the Middle East.
Whereas what is best for all would be a compromising, peaceful, reconciliatory approach towards the Turks at the Cyprus talks. Demetris Christofias is the appropriate politician who can work out a fair and lasting Cyprus settlement, believe the Europeans, the Americans, mainland Greeks and the UN.
Why not, then, give full backing to Christofias to come with acceptable concessions, with the give-and-take principle to reach a compromising, fully fledged agreement with Talat, who is so eager to complete his term in office (2010) with a Cyprus settlement award?
DIKO leader Karoyan must remember that it is the victors who put their conditions at the end of wars. The Americans, British, French and the Russians laid down their terms for Hitler’s’ defeated Germany. It was not Hitler or the Germans who dictated to the allies after the Second World War.
So, it is going to be Turkey’s and the Turkish Cypriot’s terms for a solution. Let them take the magnanimous hands of Turkey and Turkish Cypriots for a lasting peace in Cyprus and the region.
Throughout history, losers did not only accept conditions of surrender but have, also, to pay for reparations and losses.
Think twice, Mr. Karoyan, is it going to be a fair deal to be worked out by Christofias and Talat or fresh adventures with unforeseeable consequences?
Would you like to be the commander of, yet, another badly defeated army?
I wouldn’t.
I hope that DISI, Anastasiades and all politicians with integrity and love for their homeland will listen to Demetris Christofias rather than pay attention to the outbursts of Karoyan, Omirou, Lyssarides, Perdikes and Koutsou.
Had prominent Greek Cypriot journalists - Katsambas, Angelides, Markides and journalists of their calibre - been alive, I am sure they would have condemned DIKO and Karoyan. Yannakis Kareklas is too young and inexperienced. He behaves like Greek Cypriot journalists who are daydreaming. A man in his position ought to have told Karoyan to be, at least, more realistic and sensible. He did not.
What was the aim of that CyBC programme, some one must have an explanation!!
http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/ ... px?id=3980

[halil]

here is the news what Hasan Erçakıca said in weekly Cyprus Observer

Statement by the Presidential Spokesman Mr. Hasan Ercakica
29.05.2009



The efforts to find a comprehensive solution for the Cyprus problem are being maintained and the two leaders are scheduled to meet on Thursday 28 May at 10.00am to continue discussions on the heading of ‘The Economy’. Meanwhile, the representatives of the two leaders met on Monday 25 May to discussing the same topic, work which was to continue on Tuesday with the representatives continuing to meet again on Wednesday 27 May.
Concerning the report prepared by the United Nations Secretary-General that was submitted to the Security Council to extend the mandate of the UNFICYP serving in Cyprus, we welcomed that it determined the negotiation process cannot be open-ended and that there was a call to speed up the negotiation process to reach a solution within a reasonable time frame.
As it is known, the UN Security Council urged the two leaders to increase the momentum in the negotiations through its 12 December 2008 dated and 1847 numbered decision and 30 April 2009 dated presidential statement.
The Turkish Cypriot side does its part to speed up the process and is also determined to continue to do so. While we welcome the calls and efforts of the UN authorities, we would like to point to the efforts and requests of President Talat on the issue.
In the meantime, it should be reminded that in his statement after the issue was undertaken at the UN Security Council, Turkey’s Permanent Representative to the UN has once again underlined that Turkey wants to solve the Cyprus problem. The UN S-G’s statement said that there were some requisites and they were listed as “more frequent meeting of the two leaders, a limit to the process, the two sides’ need for the assistance of the UN.” These are the elements the Turkish Cypriot side has been laying emphasis on for a long time now and this position of Turkey, who is being hold responsible for the deadlock in Cyprus, is significant in terms of indicating the decisiveness of Turkey to support the efforts of a settlement.
The news items published in the Greek Cypriot press regarding the fact that the ECJ decision on the Orams case was not included in the report proved that the Greek Cypriot side does not deem the Orams case decision as a legal text but seeks to achieve some political results through it. The location to settle the property issue, one of the basic aspects of the Cyprus problem, or any other problem, is the negotiation table. The calls made by the UN Security Council are the clear indications of this as well.
Despite some missing parts and inaccuracies, the report of the UN Secretary-General includes some objective assessments and it is politically balanced. As usual, our views regarding the technical aspects of the report will be conveyed to the UN via a letter.

http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/ ... px?id=3976

[DT.]

FIrstly he didn't say Nationalist policy he said national policy.
Secondly, Markides is still alive and won't like it very much that the Observer merely "wishes" he was alive.
Thirdly Karoyian is an idiot of the highest order
Finally this is Hasan's newspaper and its editorial. Hasan is an idiot.

[Kifeas]

Halil, don't you know that editorials or unsigned articles in general, always reflect the views of the chief editor of the newspaper? If it wasn't for that idiot's views, why has he bothered to publish them without including the author's name? Lastly, why are you surprised that your leader Talat and his spokesman maintain these certain hilarious views? Isn't it a fact that the very same views are shared and cherished by a good majority of TCs in the north, perhaps including your very own good self? Isn't it for this same reason that so far there has not been a solution in Cyprus, due to your side's unacceptable views, an outcome of this very same self-destructive attitude and mentality that has you believe you are the "winners of the war?" Look at where you have ended, because of this idiotic mentality; and if you do not believe it exists, just take a look at your side's views, demands and aims only a few months before 1974, and were you have been willing to compromise at, and compare them with the moon and the stars you do demand now, or since after 1974! Take a look and compare, Halil!

[polis]

Below is an extract of this week’s editorial of “Cyprus Observer,” the newspaper Hasan Ercakican, Talat’s spokesman, publishes on the net. Among other nonsense, he said the following hilarious things:

…………………………..
DIKO leader Karoyan must remember that it is the victors who put their conditions at the end of wars. The Americans, British, French and the Russians laid down their terms for Hitler’s’ defeated Germany. It was not Hitler or the Germans who dictated to the allies after the Second World War.

So, it is going to be Turkey’s and the Turkish Cypriot’s terms for a solution. Let them take the magnanimous hands of Turkey and Turkish Cypriots for a lasting peace in Cyprus and the region.
Throughout history, losers did not only accept conditions of surrender but have, also, to pay for reparations and losses.

……………………………………………………

http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/ ... px?id=3980


These are the people we GCs negotiate with. I suppose Talat, to have this idiot as his spokesman, also shares his above views. Now, what shall we say as GCs? Would we be wrong to say that if these lunatics still believe that they “won a war in 1974” and they are entitled to dictate the terms of peace, akin the allies against Nazi Germany, let’s fuck Turkey’s EU accession, once and for all; and let them also rot in isolation until the hell freezes, or until they disappear as a community from the face of earth? Are we wrong and unfair to make such thoughts? Are these people so far detached with reality, that they still believe they are the winners of a war, and we GCs the losers? How much of a pathetic and desperate loser someone has to be, to utter the above nonsense?

The prolem is Kafro mou that this might as well as been a Daily Mail or Alithia editorial; and it could well have been a Haravgi editorial as well had Hadjigeorgiou ever got to control the paper (which btw is a vote of confidence for katsourides/Giourof)

[Nikitas]

So what happened to the "Peace Operation" notion?

Now we learn that it was an invasion and war all along! With victors and losers no less!

From the mouths of babes and fools.........

[Kifeas]

Below is an extract of this week’s editorial of “Cyprus Observer,” the newspaper Hasan Ercakican, Talat’s spokesman, publishes on the net. Among other nonsense, he said the following hilarious things:

…………………………..
DIKO leader Karoyan must remember that it is the victors who put their conditions at the end of wars. The Americans, British, French and the Russians laid down their terms for Hitler’s’ defeated Germany. It was not Hitler or the Germans who dictated to the allies after the Second World War.

So, it is going to be Turkey’s and the Turkish Cypriot’s terms for a solution. Let them take the magnanimous hands of Turkey and Turkish Cypriots for a lasting peace in Cyprus and the region.
Throughout history, losers did not only accept conditions of surrender but have, also, to pay for reparations and losses.

……………………………………………………

http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/ ... px?id=3980


These are the people we GCs negotiate with. I suppose Talat, to have this idiot as his spokesman, also shares his above views. Now, what shall we say as GCs? Would we be wrong to say that if these lunatics still believe that they “won a war in 1974” and they are entitled to dictate the terms of peace, akin the allies against Nazi Germany, let’s fuck Turkey’s EU accession, once and for all; and let them also rot in isolation until the hell freezes, or until they disappear as a community from the face of earth? Are we wrong and unfair to make such thoughts? Are these people so far detached with reality, that they still believe they are the winners of a war, and we GCs the losers? How much of a pathetic and desperate loser someone has to be, to utter the above nonsense?

The prolem is Kafro mou that this might as well as been a Daily Mail or Alithia editorial; and it could well have been a Haravgi editorial as well had Hadjigeorgiou ever got to control the paper (which btw is a vote of confidence for katsourides/Giourof)

Polaki mou, “irtes posso sou!” That there are GC political circles adopting the above ideas -luckily a small and a not so significant minority, is a well know fact, and I wouldn't disagree with you in also mentioning “Alithia” and the “Cyprus (not Daily) Mail” (some authors,) although I do not recall ever seen or heard “Haravgi” or Hadjigeorgiou expressing themselves along similar defeatist lines. You see, extremism -by its definition, and along the spectrum of ideas relating to any issue -including the Cyprus one, requires the existence of two far or extreme ends. One far end is those adopting the above defeatist and demoralized views, that suggest or lead to our capitulation due to having "lost the war" we "invited" and /or "provoked."

The other extreme end (also luckily an insignificant minority) is that of those adopting and promoting your dead-end, nationalist and irredentist ideas and rhetoric, which more or less call for a "Greek and only Greek Cyprus;" without realizing that this is "a bird that has long flown away" and there is no feasible way (not that I would have welcomed it) of ever bringing it back. Both sets of views are the two opposite and extreme ends, both are equally futile and deluding, and both are only a pathetic waste of time …so to say! You just happen to seat at one of the two extreme ends -the other one, nevertheless also an extremist just like those GCs adopting or accommodating the above views.

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[Kifeas]

So what happened to the "Peace Operation" notion?

Now we learn that it was an invasion and war all along! With victors and losers no less!

From the mouths of babes and fools.........

"Alloi lesein ...tzi' alloi polesein!"

"Alla logia n' agapiomaste ...Nikita!"

[polis]

The other extreme end (also luckily an insignificant minority) is that of those adopting and promoting your dead-end, nationalist and irredentist ideas and rhetoric, which more or less call for a "Greek and only Greek Cyprus;" without realizing that this is "a bird that has long flown away" and there is no feasible way (not that I would have welcomed it) of ever bringing it back. Both sets of views are the two opposite and extreme ends, both are equally futile and deluding, and both are only a pathetic waste of time …so to say! You just happen to seat at one of the two extreme ends -the other one, nevertheless also an extremist just like those GCs adopting or accommodating the above views.

Yeap, that's what you get when you violate Cyprus-forum's cardinal rule: never argue with the retard.