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The Daily Telegraph wrote this:

The forgotten soldiers buried in no man's land

Fify years ago, terrorists on Cyprus killed nearly 400 British soldiers. Now, with the help of Telegraph readers, they are at last to get a fitting memorial, reports Gordon Rayner.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/pers ... -land.html

'David Carter' wrote this:

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:26 am

David Carter
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Joined: 04 May 2009
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Location: UK

At no time does the Cyprus section of Britain's Small Wars

www.britains-smallwars.com

say that 371 British service fatalities between 1955-1959 - the EOKA conflict years - were the result of EOKA actions. The Honor Roll I publish consists of those British military personnel who died while on active service. Many deaths were the result of traffic accidents, illness etc. Probably 104 of those on the list were fatalities caused by EOKA.
How EOKA today uses the BSW information is outside my control.

Regards
David

Has somebody been reckless with these 'statistics' ... perhaps to incite hatred for EOKA and garner more donations for this "Memorial"?

[denizaksulu]

Media hype!!!, what do you expect.

[Oracle]

Media hype!!!, what do you expect.

What's that term for obtaining money under false pretences? Extortion? Well, the DT should be well acquainted with such terms, having exposed all those PM's practices!

Either way, those responsible for supplying these figures to the Telegraph, which look like an attempt to bolster donations for this "Memorial", should make amends pretty fast ...

"These are Brits on foreign soil and we need the opportunity to remember them," said Lt Gen Sir Henry Beverley, who served in Cyprus with the Royal Marines and is now a patron of the British Cyprus Memorial Trust.

Perhaps this nice 'gentleman' could set them straight? .....

[denizaksulu]

If we are to take David Carters assertion that BSW makes no claim that the higher number is erratic (ie. on active service rather than directly as a result of EOKA activities), do not the memorials organisers have a right to memorialise those Brits who have died on foreign soil?

[iceman]

well...i counted 446 names in the link below..

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... er/ROH.htm

[Get Real!]

How many Brit. Soldiers were really killed by EOKA?

But why is it so important in this day and age?

Unless this is about Carter’s credibility in which case… who cares?

[denizaksulu]

well...i counted 446 names in the link below..

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... er/ROH.htm

On another thread, David Carter maintains that he never said that all were killed by EOKA. He says some died from illness, traffic accidents etc. Should these have beem included into that list?


David Carter
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Posts: 10
Location: UK






For the attention of Alekan and his poast dated 21 August 2008

For your information, I have never been resident in North Cyprus. I can say that I have been a frequent visitor to both sides of the divide, as well as the UNFICYP-controlled Buffer Zone.

At no time does the Cyprus section of Britain's Small Wars

www.britains-smallwars.com

say that 371 British service fatalities between 1955-1959 - the EOKA conflict years - were the result of EOKA actions. The Honor Roll I publish consists of those British military personnel who died while on active service. Many deaths were the result of traffic accidents, illness etc. Probably 104 of those on the list were fatalities caused by EOKA.

How EOKA today uses the BSW information is outside my control.

Regards
David

[iceman]

well...i counted 446 names in the link below..

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... er/ROH.htm

On another thread, David Carter maintains that he never said that all were killed by EOKA. He says some died from illness, traffic accidents etc. Should these have beem included into that list?

Deniz
you can count yourself if you like...cause of death is written on some of those names and i just counted over 154 shot dead or blasted away by Eoka bombs..
those who died in illness or traffic accidents are not included in that 154 i counted..
Majority of the deaths have no explanation in that list and this is something the MOD has to answer..but they are far too many to have been caused by illness or accidents..(those are stated anyway)

[Oracle]

How many Brit. Soldiers were really killed by EOKA?

But why is it so important in this day and age?

Unless this is about Carter’s credibility in which case… who cares?

Nope, I'm also not interested in Carter or his reputation ... only in the correct figures.

The Telegraph used the figure of 400 in the subheading of the article where they are supporting raising money for this 'Memorial'.

Surely an inflated figure could only be used to persuade for more donations? ... dishonestly!

It's another example of why this "Memorial" is a sham and why no one with any credibility should associate themselves with it.

In particular, I feel it tarnishes the memory of those Brits who died under these circumstances.

Lots of reasons ....

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well...i counted 446 names in the link below..

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... er/ROH.htm

On another thread, David Carter maintains that he never said that all were killed by EOKA. He says some died from illness, traffic accidents etc. Should these have beem included into that list?

Deniz
you can count yourself if you like...cause of death is written on some of those names and i just counted over 154 shot dead or blasted away by Eoka bombs..
those who died in illness or traffic accidents are not included in that 154 i counted..
Majority of the deaths have no explanation in that list and this is something the MOD has to answer..but they are far too many to have been caused by illness or accidents..(those are stated anyway)

Thanks for doing that iceman ...

Is it usual to have more die from 'other'/unknown causes than 'enemy fire'?

Carter now says 104 fatalities were caused by EOKA ... and the figure quoted by Telegraph is 400 ... that is a huge disparity ....