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[Oracle]

Whatever the cause of death they died on Cypriot soil ...

The cause of death of course is important because the Daily Telegraph has chosen to ascribe the cause of death as due to killing by "terrorists".

.... should have some memorial

They already have an authorised memorial in Cyprus. This proposed second one, is not officially endorsed by the UK government or MoD or the RoC, and is controversially going to be erected in the Turkish occupied territories.

As such, I think it is proving less of a 'Memorial' and more as some kind of Colonialist Politically motivated act.

[Robin Hood]

Oracle,

I think you are blowing this out of all proportion. If you read further on in the article in question, the following further points were made:

• The Greek Cypriots turned down a request for the memorial to be sited on their part of the island, and because of the difficulty of accessing Wayne's Keep, it is impractical to site it there either.
• Sir Michael Graydon said: "Our hope is that if there is a settlement in Cyprus which reunifies the island, the memorial will eventually find a permanent home at Wayne's Keep. With that in mind, it has been specifically designed to be movable, made in sections of granite."

So. There is no’ ......kind of Colonialist Politically motivated act’ , simply the wish of some to provide a memorial for those that died as they were conscripts who had little option but to go where they were sent and into a conflict most of them new nothing about. Please also remember that EOKA did not just target the British and that many Greek Cypriots also died along with Turkish Cypriots, who did not agree with EOKA’s quest for Enosis.

But it was all such a long time ago, is it not time to bury the hatchet, still remembering all those that died on all sides in such a pointless conflict but, move on and make sure that it cannot happen again?

[Get Real!]

But it was all such a long time ago, is it not time to bury the hatchet, still remembering all those that died on all sides in such a pointless conflict but, move on and make sure that it cannot happen again?

We'll "bury the hatchet" when our country is 100% liberated from all foreign vermin and not when you say so...

[Robin Hood]

Get Real,

Quote:

‘We'll "bury the hatchet" when our country is 100% liberated from all foreign vermin and not when you say so.......’


How conciliatory of you! With all due respects, neither I nor any foreigner has any ‘say so’ in Cypriot affairs’ and I don’t think your reference to them as ‘vermin’ reflects the opinion of most intelligent Cypriots. By your extremist rhetoric I assume you include people like me in your description who have bought homes on the Island (legitimately) and live here permanently, bring millions into the economy each year through our pensions but, just happen to be British, Russian, German etc. by birth?

Hate and bigotry is the breeding ground of extremism......................look at the Palestinian/Jewish conflict as an example! It has been going on for about 1500 years and still no end is in sight!

[RichardB]

Robin Hood wrote

I assume you include people like me in your description who have bought homes on the Island (legitimately) and live here permanently, bring millions into the economy each year through our pensions but, just happen to be British, Russian, German etc. by birth?

Maybe just Maybe GR is referring to the 40000 trukish troops and God knows how many settlers that inhabit the Island illegally

Just a thought

[DT.]

Robin Hood wrote

I assume you include people like me in your description who have bought homes on the Island (legitimately) and live here permanently, bring millions into the economy each year through our pensions but, just happen to be British, Russian, German etc. by birth?

Maybe just Maybe GR is referring to the 40000 trukish troops and God knows how many settlers that inhabit the Island illegally

Just a thought

My guess is he's also throwing the servicemen serving in the SBA's as well.

[RichardB]

Robin Hood wrote

I assume you include people like me in your description who have bought homes on the Island (legitimately) and live here permanently, bring millions into the economy each year through our pensions but, just happen to be British, Russian, German etc. by birth?

Maybe just Maybe GR is referring to the 40000 trukish troops and God knows how many settlers that inhabit the Island illegally

Just a thought

My guess is he's also throwing the servicemen serving in the SBA's as well.

Forgot about them!!

Yes we'll have them out as well ....Lots of housing for young Cypriots then

[Oracle]

Oracle,

I think you are blowing this out of all proportion. If you read further on in the article in question, the following further points were made:

• The Greek Cypriots turned down a request for the memorial to be sited on their part of the island, and because of the difficulty of accessing Wayne's Keep, it is impractical to site it there either.
• Sir Michael Graydon said: "Our hope is that if there is a settlement in Cyprus which reunifies the island, the memorial will eventually find a permanent home at Wayne's Keep. With that in mind, it has been specifically designed to be movable, made in sections of granite."

So. There is no’ ......kind of Colonialist Politically motivated act’ , simply the wish of some to provide a memorial for those that died as they were conscripts who had little option but to go where they were sent and into a conflict most of them new nothing about. Please also remember that EOKA did not just target the British and that many Greek Cypriots also died along with Turkish Cypriots, who did not agree with EOKA’s quest for Enosis.

But it was all such a long time ago, is it not time to bury the hatchet, still remembering all those that died on all sides in such a pointless conflict but, move on and make sure that it cannot happen again?

Your last statement contradicts the need for a "Memorial" then

Even so, a Memorial exists, so why is another (unofficial one) needed?

If it's likely to be moved, why not erect it back in the UK and move it when Cyprus is free.

But, perhaps it's not wanted in the Politically Correct UK.

[miltiades]

Get Real,

Quote:

‘We'll "bury the hatchet" when our country is 100% liberated from all foreign vermin and not when you say so.......’


How conciliatory of you! With all due respects, neither I nor any foreigner has any ‘say so’ in Cypriot affairs’ and I don’t think your reference to them as ‘vermin’ reflects the opinion of most intelligent Cypriots. By your extremist rhetoric I assume you include people like me in your description who have bought homes on the Island (legitimately) and live here permanently, bring millions into the economy each year through our pensions but, just happen to be British, Russian, German etc. by birth?

Hate and bigotry is the breeding ground of extremism......................look at the Palestinian/Jewish conflict as an example! It has been going on for about 1500 years and still no end is in sight!

No single English / British person can be held responsible for events that occured 50 years ago. The British government of the time was the one accountable for its then foreign policy . It is a great shame that Britain still treats Cyprus in an unfavorable way as a result of its Foreign policies which lean towards support for the much larger and more powerful ally , Turkey.
Despite of the 1955 conflict the British people in general are not seen as
" enemies" of Cyprus bearing in mind the thoughtless 4 or 5 thousand who purchased G/C property in the occupied north.
I have posted on a number of occasions that my English wife who does not speak Greek has spent a great deal of time in Cyprus staying with relatives and over the years she never encountered animosity because of her Englishness .
On the matter of the memorial I'm afraid I have to agree with the majority view that the occupied part of Cyprus should never have been considered as a suitable site .

[Robin Hood]

100%, + Vermin (Foreigners ) + liberated from .... .....does not equal 40,000 Turkish troops, settlers, British Bases,.......does it? If you criticise an article for not being 100% factually correct or ‘sensationalist’ then you should be more concise with your response!!!!! I commented on what I read..........not on what I thought GR might have meant to say.

Oracle, I think the last sentence enhances the argument for a memorial. Note that I said remembering ALL those that died, so why not a memorial that lists ALL those on all sides that died, seeing them all listed together in one place would show the utter futility of War. And, with hind sight, if you ‘get real’ who won?....NOBODY!