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[wallace]

There's a very simple solution to all this and a defense the govt uses. End the occupation by Turkey, give back people their homes and all can be restored.

How naive do you think you can vacate all TCs land that easily? How about the refugees homes in Limasol on TC land, are you gonna throw all these people out?

No....they will go back home if their houses and land isn't sold of that is and when the Turkish army fucks off from Cyprus.

They will not leave until there is a comprehensive solution with safeguards and guarantees. So you think 500 GC homes should be vacated and the land handed back to the TC? what about use of the land for the past 35 years?

We've had that discussion before VP. You will have your EU guarantees like all the other citizens of Europe have. Equal rights, human rights and international law in place. No priviliges for nobody. It's simple and sustainable. If you like to call yourself a minority that's your problem. To me all citizens are equal. You want priviliges on somebody elses expense is a no deal. Take it or leave it. Who is going to compensate the use of the land from the 200.000 displaced GC refugees? Maybe you should answer that question before you start claiming compensation. And yes...I think all homes should be returned to the rightfull owners...also the TC's.

[YFred]

If we believe in and support the property rights of this tissy, this chap's land is his. His to enjoy and do with as he likes in much the same way that Mr A should be able to do with his land in Lapithos.

This six month residency rule (although I can see the reasons for it) probably won't wash if it's tested at the ECHR cos, as it stands, it discriminates on ethnic grounds.

Regretfully, I have to say the gov of the Republic has to review it or face a PR setback on it's record.

It depends on the reasons for the six month rule. If it's to determine the validity of contesting the property, it's an administrative problem which is not discriminatory. The EU will understand how long such things take to prove.

The reality is that GCs have been arrested for even picking flowers from their own property! However, the RoC has set in motion legitimate ways of TCs returning ... even though the "abandonments" by TCs were not of the RoC's volition, but a consequence of the Turkish invasion/walkout .... something the RoC had no administrative jurisdiction over.

So why have they taken 3 years and still not confirmed Deniz's Kochans and give his land back. He is an EU citizen, left Cyprus in 64 so the 6 month rule should not even apply to him.

The slowness of the Kochan problem is not 'discriminatory' but subject to individual circumstances.

Deniz inherited land and there are various arrangements which probably have to be ironed out ... nothing to do with being TC .. but personal family circumstances. How old was Deniz in 1964? ... it was his father/mother who owned the property and not him then ... so all that takes time to sort ... believe me I know!

How convenient.

[bill cobbett]

If we believe in and support the property rights of this tissy, this chap's land is his. His to enjoy and do with as he likes in much the same way that Mr A should be able to do with his land in Lapithos.

This six month residency rule (although I can see the reasons for it) probably won't wash if it's tested at the ECHR cos, as it stands, it discriminates on ethnic grounds.

Regretfully, I have to say the gov of the Republic has to review it or face a PR setback on it's record.

It depends on the reasons for the six month rule. If it's to determine the validity of contesting the property, it's an administrative problem which is not discriminatory. The EU will understand how long such things take to prove.

The reality is that GCs have been arrested for even picking flowers from their own property! However, the RoC has set in motion legitimate ways of TCs returning ... even though the "abandonments" by TCs were not of the RoC's volition, but a consequence of the Turkish invasion/walkout .... something the RoC had no administrative jurisdiction over.

Re: this administrative, checking business. The CY way of doing simple land transfers can be remarkably quick. Seller turns up with kochans, CY ID and a couple of receipts that taxes have been paid; the buyer with a bag full of cash and ID. The checks are done within the day and transfer completed although I do also know that transfers through intestate inheritance can take years.

If it makes my Fellow Fighters happier I must say that some of our tissy friends can't see the wood for the trees if they go down the ECHR route for a ruling in their favour does at least two things they may not have considered.

Firstly it would reinforce the real world reality that all owners of land as per pre74 RoC kochans are the only owners.

Secondly, by the actions of individuals, it draws the illegal regime and the Turkish Occupatoon a little closer to the real world's legal system where, as we have all seen it becomes vulnerable.

In these two ways the legal action refered to in the OP will have consequences that some may not have considered.

[Viewpoint]

There's a very simple solution to all this and a defense the govt uses. End the occupation by Turkey, give back people their homes and all can be restored.

How naive do you think you can vacate all TCs land that easily? How about the refugees homes in Limasol on TC land, are you gonna throw all these people out?

No....they will go back home if their houses and land isn't sold of that is and when the Turkish army fucks off from Cyprus.

They will not leave until there is a comprehensive solution with safeguards and guarantees. So you think 500 GC homes should be vacated and the land handed back to the TC? what about use of the land for the past 35 years?

We've had that discussion before VP. You will have your EU guarantees like all the other citizens of Europe have. Equal rights, human rights and international law in place. No priviliges for nobody. It's simple and sustainable. If you like to call yourself a minority that's your problem. To me all citizens are equal. You want priviliges on somebody elses expense is a no deal. Take it or leave it. Who is going to compensate the use of the land from the 200.000 displaced GC refugees? Maybe you should answer that question before you start claiming compensation. And yes...I think all homes should be returned to the rightfull owners...also the TC's.

With such vagueness the GCs will make mincemeat of us so Ill leave it.

[humanist]

I am not sure why the Minister for education does not hand the property back. So long as the Turk fullfills his obligation of moving to the RoC for 6 months he can have his property back.

[wallace]

There's a very simple solution to all this and a defense the govt uses. End the occupation by Turkey, give back people their homes and all can be restored.

How naive do you think you can vacate all TCs land that easily? How about the refugees homes in Limasol on TC land, are you gonna throw all these people out?

No....they will go back home if their houses and land isn't sold of that is and when the Turkish army fucks off from Cyprus.

They will not leave until there is a comprehensive solution with safeguards and guarantees. So you think 500 GC homes should be vacated and the land handed back to the TC? what about use of the land for the past 35 years?

We've had that discussion before VP. You will have your EU guarantees like all the other citizens of Europe have. Equal rights, human rights and international law in place. No priviliges for nobody. It's simple and sustainable. If you like to call yourself a minority that's your problem. To me all citizens are equal. You want priviliges on somebody elses expense is a no deal. Take it or leave it. Who is going to compensate the use of the land from the 200.000 displaced GC refugees? Maybe you should answer that question before you start claiming compensation. And yes...I think all homes should be returned to the rightfull owners...also the TC's.

With such vagueness the GCs will make mincemeat of us so Ill leave it.

Do that....just leave it. One day your so called protecting forces will have to leave the island. Then you will be faced with the realities of Europe...international law and all that comes with it and that's a fact. You wont be seen as the feeling sorry for themselfs community that wants to have more rights then others on the island. Your mincemeat fairytail says it all. You just stay in the 60's and you will do just fine

[Oracle]

If we believe in and support the property rights of this tissy, this chap's land is his. His to enjoy and do with as he likes in much the same way that Mr A should be able to do with his land in Lapithos.

This six month residency rule (although I can see the reasons for it) probably won't wash if it's tested at the ECHR cos, as it stands, it discriminates on ethnic grounds.

Regretfully, I have to say the gov of the Republic has to review it or face a PR setback on it's record.

It depends on the reasons for the six month rule. If it's to determine the validity of contesting the property, it's an administrative problem which is not discriminatory. The EU will understand how long such things take to prove.

The reality is that GCs have been arrested for even picking flowers from their own property! However, the RoC has set in motion legitimate ways of TCs returning ... even though the "abandonments" by TCs were not of the RoC's volition, but a consequence of the Turkish invasion/walkout .... something the RoC had no administrative jurisdiction over.

Re: this administrative, checking business. The CY way of doing simple land transfers can be remarkably quick. Seller turns up with kochans, CY ID and a couple of receipts that taxes have been paid; the buyer with a bag full of cash and ID. The checks are done within the day and transfer completed although I do also know that transfers through intestate inheritance can take years.

If it makes my Fellow Fighters happier I must say that some of our tissy friends can't see the wood for the trees if they go down the ECHR route for a ruling in their favour does at least two things they may not have considered.

Firstly it would reinforce the real world reality that all owners of land as per pre74 RoC kochans are the only owners.

Secondly, by the actions of individuals, it draws the illegal regime and the Turkish Occupatoon a little closer to the real world's legal system where, as we have all seen it becomes vulnerable.

In these two ways the legal action refered to in the OP will have consequences that some may not have considered.

I agree ... the more cases are heard through the ECJ or even ECHR ... the better.

It proves the RoC have gone by the book!

Slowness is not a justifiable complaint in this case, considering the war situation imposed upon us by Turkey.

[bill cobbett]

If we believe in and support the property rights of this tissy, this chap's land is his. His to enjoy and do with as he likes in much the same way that Mr A should be able to do with his land in Lapithos.

This six month residency rule (although I can see the reasons for it) probably won't wash if it's tested at the ECHR cos, as it stands, it discriminates on ethnic grounds.

Regretfully, I have to say the gov of the Republic has to review it or face a PR setback on it's record.

It depends on the reasons for the six month rule. If it's to determine the validity of contesting the property, it's an administrative problem which is not discriminatory. The EU will understand how long such things take to prove.

The reality is that GCs have been arrested for even picking flowers from their own property! However, the RoC has set in motion legitimate ways of TCs returning ... even though the "abandonments" by TCs were not of the RoC's volition, but a consequence of the Turkish invasion/walkout .... something the RoC had no administrative jurisdiction over.

Re: this administrative, checking business. The CY way of doing simple land transfers can be remarkably quick. Seller turns up with kochans, CY ID and a couple of receipts that taxes have been paid; the buyer with a bag full of cash and ID. The checks are done within the day and transfer completed although I do also know that transfers through intestate inheritance can take years.

If it makes my Fellow Fighters happier I must say that some of our tissy friends can't see the wood for the trees if they go down the ECHR route for a ruling in their favour does at least two things they may not have considered.

Firstly it would reinforce the real world reality that all owners of land as per pre74 RoC kochans are the only owners.

Secondly, by the actions of individuals, it draws the illegal regime and the Turkish Occupatoon a little closer to the real world's legal system where, as we have all seen it becomes vulnerable.

In these two ways the legal action refered to in the OP will have consequences that some may not have considered.

I agree ... the more cases are heard through the ECJ or even ECHR ... the better.

It proves the RoC have gone by the book!

Slowness is not a justifiable complaint in this case, considering the war situation imposed upon us by Turkey.

Absolutely our O, some of our tissy friends don't appreciate the double-edged nature of laws.

If I can add two more unforeseen consequences of a tissy " victory " at the ECHR.

Pres X's position on the importance of respecting property owners' rights is reinforced and this in turn has the bigger picture in mind which is to make a post-settlement state of affairs that is indisguishable from a Unitary State.

So best wishes to our northern friends. Hope you win cos then we all win.

[Oracle]

If we believe in and support the property rights of this tissy, this chap's land is his. His to enjoy and do with as he likes in much the same way that Mr A should be able to do with his land in Lapithos.

This six month residency rule (although I can see the reasons for it) probably won't wash if it's tested at the ECHR cos, as it stands, it discriminates on ethnic grounds.

Regretfully, I have to say the gov of the Republic has to review it or face a PR setback on it's record.

It depends on the reasons for the six month rule. If it's to determine the validity of contesting the property, it's an administrative problem which is not discriminatory. The EU will understand how long such things take to prove.

The reality is that GCs have been arrested for even picking flowers from their own property! However, the RoC has set in motion legitimate ways of TCs returning ... even though the "abandonments" by TCs were not of the RoC's volition, but a consequence of the Turkish invasion/walkout .... something the RoC had no administrative jurisdiction over.

Re: this administrative, checking business. The CY way of doing simple land transfers can be remarkably quick. Seller turns up with kochans, CY ID and a couple of receipts that taxes have been paid; the buyer with a bag full of cash and ID. The checks are done within the day and transfer completed although I do also know that transfers through intestate inheritance can take years.

If it makes my Fellow Fighters happier I must say that some of our tissy friends can't see the wood for the trees if they go down the ECHR route for a ruling in their favour does at least two things they may not have considered.

Firstly it would reinforce the real world reality that all owners of land as per pre74 RoC kochans are the only owners.

Secondly, by the actions of individuals, it draws the illegal regime and the Turkish Occupatoon a little closer to the real world's legal system where, as we have all seen it becomes vulnerable.

In these two ways the legal action refered to in the OP will have consequences that some may not have considered.

I agree ... the more cases are heard through the ECJ or even ECHR ... the better.

It proves the RoC have gone by the book!

Slowness is not a justifiable complaint in this case, considering the war situation imposed upon us by Turkey.

Absolutely our O, some of our tissy friends don't appreciate the double-edged nature of laws.

If I can add two more unforeseen consequences of a tissy " victory " at the ECHR.

Pres X's position on the importance of respecting property owners' rights is reinforced and this in turn has the bigger picture in mind which is to make a post-settlement state of affairs that is indisguishable from a Unitary State.

So best wishes to our northern friends. Hope you win cos then we all win.

If they win ... we all win.

If they lose ... then the GCs have still won!

They need to join the winning side ... GCs all for one, and one for all a united Cyprus!

[Viewpoint]

There's a very simple solution to all this and a defense the govt uses. End the occupation by Turkey, give back people their homes and all can be restored.

How naive do you think you can vacate all TCs land that easily? How about the refugees homes in Limasol on TC land, are you gonna throw all these people out?

No....they will go back home if their houses and land isn't sold of that is and when the Turkish army fucks off from Cyprus.

They will not leave until there is a comprehensive solution with safeguards and guarantees. So you think 500 GC homes should be vacated and the land handed back to the TC? what about use of the land for the past 35 years?

We've had that discussion before VP. You will have your EU guarantees like all the other citizens of Europe have. Equal rights, human rights and international law in place. No priviliges for nobody. It's simple and sustainable. If you like to call yourself a minority that's your problem. To me all citizens are equal. You want priviliges on somebody elses expense is a no deal. Take it or leave it. Who is going to compensate the use of the land from the 200.000 displaced GC refugees? Maybe you should answer that question before you start claiming compensation. And yes...I think all homes should be returned to the rightfull owners...also the TC's.

With such vagueness the GCs will make mincemeat of us so Ill leave it.

Do that....just leave it. One day your so called protecting forces will have to leave the island. Then you will be faced with the realities of Europe...international law and all that comes with it and that's a fact. You wont be seen as the feeling sorry for themselfs community that wants to have more rights then others on the island. Your mincemeat fairytail says it all. You just stay in the 60's and you will do just fine

No problem, we will take our chances like we have been doing for the past 35 years...no amount of doom and gloom stories will get us to capitulate to GC demands, talk safeguards and guarantees then we may take you seriously otherwise no go.