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[MicAtCyp]

The Anan plan is a federation or a confederation????!!!! Let me laugh out loud….. Nothing man, the Anan Plan is 3 COMPLETELY SEPARATE STATES. There is no hierachy between the laws of any of the 3 states, this means every state can pass its own completely different laws.The Central so called "state" has some responsibilities and applies its own laws there.The other 2 states function completely independently and the common state cannot do anything because it has NO responsibility whatsoever on what the other 2 states do.

Quote from Anan Plan Article 3 page 8.
"3. The federal government and the constituent states shall fully respect and
not infringe upon the powers and functions of each other. There shall be
no hierarchy between federal and constituent state laws."

Quote from page 9
2. The federal government shall fully respect and not infringe upon the
powers and functions of the constituent states under this Constitution.
Each constituent state shall fully respect and not infringe upon the
powers and functions of the federal government or the other constituent
state under this Constitution. There shall be no hierarchy between
federal and constituent state laws.5

Name me even one federation in the world where the laws of the central state are not hierarchically superior.The Anan Plan is not even a confederation, because all confederations created so far (btw they all collapsed-there is no alive confederation today) were created for security reasons. Noone of the 3 states of Anan Plan has security is in its own hands.Instead this is in the hands of Turkey Greece and UK.In this respect if you want b to check whether the Anan plan leads to a classic confederation the answer is NO. The real nature of the States that would be created with the Anan Plan is PROTECTORATES.
I repeat the only solution to Cyprus is a Unitary State with 100% individual rights for every citizen and with exact 18% political rights plus securities in the constitution for the TCs.This is not an insignifigant minority status but a strong status of a Regulator in the political life. I already gave my suggestions how this will be practically achieved from the point we are today. If anybody is interested I will repeat my sugesstions here.

And by the way Peace if you continue behaving like you did, you should change your nickname to "snake-caller of people".

[michalis5354]

M. Ali Talat is the new representative of the TC communtity. Talat made it very clear that he want to continue the negotiations towards reaching a mutual agreed solution by both communities and he even made it clear that he does not want the TRNC to be recognised. This is what I have read lately from a newspaper. This approach should be very welcomed by Greekcypriots.

Even I get also confused when i read also late comments by Christofias (AKEL Party) saying that the Annan plan needs some amendments in order to be accepted and he said also that the framework of the Annan plan should be used for further future negotiations.

[insan]

I've heard that Papadopulos have prepared a 6 point amendment demanding document to be given UN in June. It is said that this news has been published by Eleftorotipia and the document contains these:

1- Settlers

2- Intervention right of Turkey

3- Permenant presence of Turkish army

4- Guarantees for implementation of Annan Plan

5- A unitary economical system for controling the central bank.

6- Security(foreseen EU/NATO forces)


I bet 1000 for 1 that neither Turkey nor Talat accepts negotiation of these 6 points...


So what will they negotiate if they ever go negotiations....

[michalis5354]

Actually what is the benefit of Turkey of keeping all these army and keep financing all these soldiers yearly instead of investing all these money in mainland Turkey and assisting the country to be developed and more ready for EU.

[michalis5354]

It is very important for all to participate towards the solution. In case of cyprus we have 4 parties : Greekcypriot and Turkishcypriot communities Greece and Turkey.

If A does not want solution while B wants solution then No solution will be reached.
IF A wants solution and B does not want a solution then No Solution will be reached.

IF A does not want solution and B does not want solution Again No solution will be reached.

IF A wants solution and B wants solution then solution will be achived.

In case of cyprus we do not have only A and B but also C and D so this is more complicated.

What I mean is that all parties concerned should work hard towards the settlement. And it is not enough to wait the UN proposals.

[PEACE]

repeat the only solution to Cyprus is a Unitary State with 100% individual rights for every citizen and with exact 18% political rights plus securities in the constitution for the TCs.This is not an insignifigant minority status but a strong status of a Regulator in the political life.

As i said before a unitary solution won't happen! Because in 1977 federal solution is accepted by both community leaders !

Further negotations will be about details of federal solution!

TC's won't have less than 30% rights because this is behind rights of TCs in Republic Of Cyprus.This rights are GAINED ones with international agreements !

Do you think that Tcs will accept 18 or 20% for a solution while rejecting their already gained lawful rights? This can be only your dream!

We have to find a middle way!

[Piratis]

TC's won't have less than 30% rights because this is behind rights of TCs in Republic Of Cyprus.This rights are GAINED ones with international agreements !

We can say the exact same thing: "What we agreed with international agreements is the Republic of Cyprus. Why should we accept anything less??"

We have "lawful rights" also. Didn't this pass from your mind? How about if we say that we are not willing to give up one bit for our gained lawful rights?

[PEACE]

Yes,you can say!

But important point is you are trying to find a solution and there is another thing that you accepted ! Federal Solution! So new solution's style won't be unitary !

Bi-communal Republic Of Cyprus lived only for 3 years.So i don't think that Republic Of Cyprus is the solution ! Who guarantees that past events won't happen ? A demand for chaging constitution and ... so so...

You still see even 30% is too much ! So you are not supporting a solution with RC too ! I'm not supporting too ! Than its no need to discuss it !

If there will be a solution it will be a federal solution ! But if both sides see that they can't agree on federal solution they may return to two sovereign state may be !


Don't you want a country with full human rights and democracy without bearing Turkish Cypriot's extra rights for protection of their identity?

Don't you want a country where only Greek Cypriots governs it ?

Don't you want a country where TC haven't got a veto power?

Don't you want a solution where TC's can't effect any of your actions?


Yes,than solution is two seperate,soverign state !


Think about TRNC is giving some soil that its area will be %20 or something but i'll be recognized ! Also think about compensation for your properties will be paid to you !

Than do you accept two seperate,soverign country?


Hey,don't be angry just think about it ! We couldn't agree on federal solution style !

Of course i want an united Cyprus with a federal solution ! What i'm asking is for the last choice !Also this is not a real negotation and its not conjunctive ! We are just making discussion and offering things...
They can be logical but sometimes but sometimes not ! Important point is finding a solution that satisfies both of us !

[Piratis]

Peace, you contradict yourself.
Do you want "lawful rights" yes or no? The only lawful rights for both TC and GC exist within RC and nowhere else. So you have to decide what you want.

If you do not accept RC then don't come to tell us about your "lawful rights" because without RC those rights do not exist.

We accept RC, and we obey all the laws of RC. As a citizen not only you have rights, you have responsibilities also. But you forgot about those, right?

[PEACE]

The only lawful rights for both TC and GC exist within RC and nowhere else. So you have to decide what you want.

Not only in RC ! The point is our rights in RC are already gained ones.
I'm uncertain that if we return to RC one day you'll be ready to take us in!
I can see that if we demand to return to RC you are not ready! RC goverment is not a bi-communal goverment since 1963 and forgot that there is also Turkish Cypriots in RC ! The most clear and simple example for this is language ! RC stopped to press its laws,street names etc. in Turkish also ! Turkish is another language of RC !Not only Greek.

Also RC goverment did many things that turned RC to a Hellenic goverment ! For example you can't set up a Greek National Guard Army!

Laws like Asia Minor is not suitable to a bi-communal republic!

You can't bear our 30% rights even and now telling that RC can be a base?But be sure that you can't try to decrease it to 20% or 18% after a time !

We accept RC, and we obey all the laws of RC. As a citizen not only you have rights, you have responsibilities also. But you forgot about those, right?

You are not paying us salary and we are not living under RC control! So how can we have responsibilities ? If we benefit from some rights we can be responsible from that right's responsibilities !Like passport ! We are paying the bill to take it !This is this right's responsibility!

What responsibilities are you talking about that we benefit but don't pay anything?