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[mehmet]

It is the Responsibility of those who voted No to the UN plan to provide an alternative plan that would satisfy all aggreements made in 1960 and onwards by both communities and propose this to the UN Kofi Annan as an alternative to the UN Annan plan.

Then ,when they do such action everyone should take them seriously! But not now !We are all FED UP with blind , words.

Is Papadopoulos ready to do such action? I am afraid not! He will serve the interest of cyprus only If he resign at the moment.

I have also been saying this since April 24. At the moment all we have is deafening silence. What are they waiting for? Can they not take responsibility to move things forward as they felt so strongly against Annan plan? Or do they wait for some other foreigners to make suggestions so that they can carry on blaming the rest of the world for what is reality on their own doorstep? Why doesn't Papadopoulos invite Talat for talks to try and show him that he is serious about solution?

[mehmet]

It is the Responsibility of those who voted No to the UN plan to provide an alternative plan that would satisfy all aggreements made in 1960 and onwards by both communities and propose this to the UN Kofi Annan as an alternative to the UN Annan plan.

Then ,when they do such action everyone should take them seriously! But not now !We are all FED UP with blind , words.

Is Papadopoulos ready to do such action? I am afraid not! He will serve the interest of cyprus only If he resign at the moment.

I have also been saying this since April 24. At the moment all we have is deafening silence. What are they waiting for? Can they not take responsibility to move things forward as they felt so strongly against Annan plan? Or do they wait for some other foreigners to make suggestions so that they can carry on blaming the rest of the world for what is reality on their own doorstep? Why doesn't Papadopoulos invite Talat for talks to try and show him that he is serious about solution?

[PEACE]

How about if we give to you compensation to leave from Cyprus and you go buy land in Turkey and you govern yourself there? Would you accept that?

This is an unrelated question ! I'm saying you'll get 1/3 of your properties back and for left you'll get compensation! We are not offering you to send you anywhere ! You have a property in south and you'll get 1/3 of your property in North too ! Also in the parts that will be given to Greek Cypriot Constitutinal State like Morphou,Varosha etc. you'll get all your property back!


If you say "i want all of my properties back and i don't want any compensation " this shows you don't have goodwill for solution! You'll get compensation for 2/3 of your properties and can buy another ones ! 1/3 of your properties will return you back completely!

Not everything is about money. Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots.

You are saying unrelated things as reply !
Whats the link between what i said and "Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots,money is not everthing...?

So according to you are we a snake or not?

As i said upside you are NOT.I said it to make a link with proverb!

Federations are in the US, Russia etc. We accept a true federation similar to those any day.

A federation where everyone is supposed only "cypriot"?
This is impossible !
First you have to feel like a cypriot ! In words you can say "i'm a cypriot" ! But important point is how you behave and how you feel in deep inside !
When the day comes and Papadopulos says "I'll work for Cypriot's benefits in Cyprus." i'll think about !

There is no snake in the land, but the snake in the sea convinced you that there is one so you will stay in the sea with it forever serving its interests

No we can see your behaviour ! Noone is needed to convince us ! We have got eyes and we can think and decide!

Interesting part is noone is understanding us...
When discussing with people from Turkey they are blaming us with being a traitor,being a Greek and when i'm discussing with Piratis he is saying me that i'm serving interests of Turkey.

Everything is becoming so interesting...

[mehmet]

[quote="Piratis"][quote]

How about if we give to you compensation to leave from Cyprus and you go buy land in Turkey and you govern yourself there? Would you accept that?
Not everything is about money. Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots.

This would be funny if it were not the case that Greek Orthodox Church was busy buying property and land off Turkish Cypriots in order to increase their influence during the period of British rule.

Clearly this is the most important issue obstructing settlement. Are people willing to accept compensation in order to allow something that would be in all Cypriot's interests? What is the feeling about this in both communities?

[Piratis]

We can accept as a comprommise to get part of what we own as a compensation. But this should be part of a complete solution that will create something similar to what I proposed.

The way PEACE talks is like TC own the land and they do us a favor of giving back to us a part of it, and compensating for the rest. Also, don’t forget that according to the Annan plan you are not compensating us. We are compensating ourselves and we even compensate your settlers!!!

Mehmet, I also don’t know why the government doesn’t come with a proposal for a solution. I guess they believe it will be a waste of time since your side doesn’t seem willing to accept anything than partition (or disguised partition).
In any case I agree that the government should have proposed a complete solution to the Cyprus problem long time ago.

PEACE, if you don’t accept that in Cyprus there are Cypriots that have to live together (and not just side by side like Denctash wants) then our gab is indeed huge and no discussions will be able to bridge it.

[mehmet]

[quote="Piratis"]

Mehmet, I also don’t know why the government doesn’t come with a proposal for a solution. I guess they believe it will be a waste of time since your side doesn’t seem willing to accept anything than partition (or disguised partition).
In any case I agree that the government should have proposed a complete solution to the Cyprus problem long time ago.

My guess is that many in the Republic of Cyprus would probably never have believed one time that Turkish Cypriot's would have voted for what was in Annan Plan either. Instead of thinking it's a waste of time to negotiate and thinking they know what Turkish Cypriot side think why don't Greek Cypriot leaders try to make some offers. In any case it is patronising to assume what some one's response is going to be to anything. Everyone has a choice whether to act or to react.

[Piratis]

Yes, I agree that the government should propose a complete solution. I doubt the official TC side will accept it because they depend too much on Turkey and on settlers (without the vote of settlers nobody can get elected).

Still, I am sure many of the TC will see that what we propose is fair and good for everybody and then some changes can happen starting from the base of TC.

[PEACE]

The way PEACE talks is like TC own the land and they do us a favor of giving back to us a part of it, and compensating for the rest. Also, don’t forget that according to the Annan plan you are not compensating us. We are compensating ourselves and we even compensate your settlers!!!

No,i'm not talking like this.If i talk you like we owned the land i'll never say "You'll be compensated" ! Why we have to pay compensation that is ours!? So as you see i'm not talking in that meaning!

After 1974 many things changed that can not be returned old situation.You have to understand this! So if there will be a solution we have to find a middle way! Thats why you are getting 1/3 of your properties and for left you'll get compensation!

It's a BIG LIE that you'll compensate yourself ! I think you are cheated!

[Piratis]

Since we own the land then we can do whatever we want with it. You are not going to tell us what to do.
If there is a solution that will satisfy us and we agree that we will get compensation for part of it then fine. But nobody has the right to impose on us what we should accept and what we shouldn't with our own land.

It's a BIG LIE that you'll compensate yourself ! I think you are cheated!

And who is going to compensate us? Turkey? They will not give a cent. You? You will be the one receiving money not the one giving any after the solution. The foreigners? I don't remember the exact amounts, but TC will get the greatest part of their donation.

It is a fact that we would compensate ourselves and not a lie.

[PEACE]

Yes,you'll be compensated by Turkey and other countries.As you remember USA,EU,England and countries that joined to International Donation Conferance were ready to help!

I don't remember the exact amounts, but TC will get the greatest part of their donation.

We can get the greatest part but this don't mean that you won't be compensated!

It is a fact that we would compensate ourselves and not a lie.

If you continue to think like this be sure that you'll say so much "OXI" in the future!