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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Othellos » Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:26 pm

turkcyp wrote:
Othellos wrote:Last hope for what?

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Last hope of finding a TC that supports your point of view.


And what is exactly "my point of view"?

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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:44 pm

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However it sounds very hypocritical when some other TCs accuse all GCs and demand the punishment of all GCs because they claim that 40 years ago some GCs were thinking about the annihilation of TCs, when the ethnic cleansing the Turks performed against us is not just a "secret plan" or theory but it is a fact supported today but the majority of TCs!


Stop crying wolf Piratis, some 40 years ago GCs were plotting to get rid of TCs, just swallow your pride and accept the weaker of the 2 commumities whipped your arse and took a third of the island. Look at this way, maybe the current situation is payment for the period 1960 to 1974 when your community took and benefited from a developing and growing "RoC" and we were reduced to a minority thrown out of government, living in poverty and under persecution.
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Postby Main_Source » Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:57 pm

VP talkin shit as per usual.
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Postby turkcyp » Sun Jun 19, 2005 8:20 pm

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Postby Main_Source » Sun Jun 19, 2005 8:37 pm

As for the Akritas plan...how do you know the exact details of it? Tell me how you know...without mentioning the word 'rhetoric' all the time.

As for pretending all GC were not innocent...well, you sound like another ignorant prick who listens to Denktash snr, like VP.

How is a simple farmer, forced off his land by force...guilty??

It's just what you want to believe in order to make the current occupation seem innocent.

As for living together as equals..well what is your idea of this? IS it all Cypriots having the same rights no matter their ethnicity? or TC being 4 times more imporatant then GC and 49 times more important than Maronites?
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Postby turkcyp » Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:06 pm

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Postby Main_Source » Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:11 pm

A simple farmer forced out its land is also guilty to a certain degree of being a member of silent majority which could not curb the violent minority in themselves that was planning to annihilate TCs. As a society we should be responsible for the elements that are among us, and curb the violent ones if we can. If not the silent majority is guilty too.


Your a twisted fool and have othing more to say to you on this post.
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Postby Othellos » Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:10 pm

The view that there is no such thing as Akritas Plan deisgned to anhilliate TCs on the island.


The Akritas plan aimed in amending legally and with international support the 1960 agreements - not to physically annihilate (in the sense of killing or destroying) anyone. The plan was never implemented in full.

We had our own faults, "Taksim" and GCs had their own, "Enosis". But at least we did not come up with a plan as Akritas.


Sure you did, and this has been discussed before in this forum and in detail. A copy of this (partition / ethnic cleansing) plan was found in the office of Fazil Plumer (minister of agriculture) in January 1964. The Turkish plan was successfully implemented in full, even though it took some more time than what anticipated.

Taksim, although it was wrong, has always seemed more civilized to me and therefore lesser of the evil to me, than Enosis.


So, the ethnic cleansing of 180,000 GCs from their own lands in the summer of 1974, the murders and the humiliations that innocent civilians suffered, the looting and the destruction were all carried out by Turkey in the name of "civilization"?

As I always say, if we can find a way of living together as equals ( as communities), then this is our first best.


What does "being equal" mean and how is this "equality" in accord with occupying someone else’s house or land?

Majority of GCs may not have harmed any TC in their lives. But by being silent majority, and by not trying to prevent their extreme elements, and by showing tacit approval to their actions, they are guilty too. By choosing people into power which are extreme their guilty as well. We are responsible form our leaders actions, because we elect them into positions and/or support their existence in those positions.


You are blaming ordinary people for events that for the most part were (and still are) beyond their control. While this kind of approach is near racist, I can understand why you resort to it as it is your only excuse for Turkey's ongoing occupation of the north part of Cyprus for which (again) ordinary people are paying. With your "logic" however, every TC is responsible for every single crime that has been carried out against innocent GCs since 1958.

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Postby Piratis » Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:08 pm

Stop crying wolf Piratis, some 40 years ago GCs were plotting to get rid of TCs, just swallow your pride and accept the weaker of the 2 commumities whipped your arse and took a third of the island. Look at this way, maybe the current situation is payment for the period 1960 to 1974 when your community took and benefited from a developing and growing "RoC" and we were reduced to a minority thrown out of government, living in poverty and under persecution.


So if what you did to us in the last 3 decades of occupation, the ethnic cleansing etc, is the "bill" we have to pay for the 1960-1974 period, then I hope when you will be made to pay the bill for the centuries of the ottoman oppression against us and for the decades of your illegal occupation, you will not be crying and you will accept it as fair.
Some time ago I said I would be glad when the time will come to put a bullet in the head of people like you. You got upset that time, but I hope you will not start crying again, because apparently you are very glad for "whipping our arse" by killing thousands of people and ethnically cleansing 1/3rd of our island from the people that lived there for 3500 years.
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